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    Default MBGA Make Britain Great Again!

    The initials don't work as well. Maybe a more like M.B.G.A. and make it look more official, or secretive. As if they will touch anything like that with a 100000000 foot pole! LOL

    Good article though!

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    Twenty Ways Boris Johnson Can Make Britain Great Again

    Today Boris Johnson has been elected leader of the Conservative party, and tomorrow he will be crowned Prime Minister.
    I’m a lot more optimistic about Boris than many people seem to be. On Brexit, certainly, I think he’ll do the right thing — not least because all the other options have been exhausted.

    But I’m also prepared to be disappointed.

    So which will it be? Bold Boris or Useless Boris?

    We’ll know soon enough. Here are some of the problems he’ll need to tackle successfully in order to fulfil his Churchillian destiny.

    1. Deliver Brexit
    Brexit-in-name-only won’t be enough. Theresa May tried and failed several times to get that one through and the people weren’t having it. Boris has committed to leaving the EU with or without a deal on October 31st. And if he doesn’t it will be career suicide.

    Chances of Boris delivering 9/10



    2. DeBaathify the Conservatives
    The first sign we’ll have that Boris is going to fail is if Amber Rudd appears prominently in his Cabinet. Look, Boris: I understand your desire to be liked and you fear of going out on a limb, but as Tim Stanley argues so persuasively here, now is not the time to compromise by reaching out to your enemies and bringing them into the One Nation fold.

    That’s what the parliamentary Conservative party has been doing since Thatcher; that’s why it has failed so dismally — too many closet Lib Dems and Greens have been promoted at the expense of actual Conservatives. There is plenty of sound talent out there: Liz Truss; Priti Patel; Steve Baker; Esther McVey; Andrew Bridgen; Owen Paterson and, of course, the matchless Jacob Rees-Mogg.

    Why spoil a good thing by rewarding holdovers from the discredited old regime who despise everything you stand for and who are only sucking up to your now because their miserable livelihoods depend on it.

    Chances of Boris delivering 5/10

    3. Drain the Swamp

    A senior Conservative minister once complained to me that it was impossible for the Conservative government to do anything Conservative because the civil service, politicised by Tony Blair, is so irredeemably left-wing.

    Same goes for all the quangos which David Cameron promised to put on the bonfire but never did. Instead, the Conservatives have only exacerbated their problems by suicidally appointing leftists – such as Green party activist Tony Juniper, head of Natural England – to run regulatory bodies that should be being run by conservatives.

    The rot extends from the nauseatingly right-on (and anti-Trump, pro-EU) Foreign Office to the incompetent and biased Electoral Commission, the Charities Commission, the Information Commission and beyond, plus of course departments such as the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs which are run by doctrinaire eco-loons. This is the Deep State which really runs Britain. Unless Boris can summon the courage and will to tackle it, he will always be fighting his battles with one hand tied behind his back.

    Chances of Boris delivering 4/10



    4. Law and Order
    Rampant knife crime, the obsession with policing hurty tweets, skateboarding displays at Extinction Rebellion protests, virtue signalling at Pride rallies, the deliberate withholding of evidence proving the innocence of young men facing rape convictions, the vindictive pursuit of journalists for doing their job, the failure to deal with Muslim rape gangs, the harassment of Tommy Robinson, the police chief who wouldn’t intervene when one of his officers was being hacked to death by an Islamic terrorist outside parliament, the millions squandered pursuing the “credible and true” claims of a deeply suspect lying paedophile about a high up paedo conspiracy including former Chief of the General Staff Field Marshall Lord Bramall and various other innocents…

    Britain’s policing has become a national embarrassment which requires root and branch reform. Yes, the police need more resources to do their job: but only if it goes on beat officers pursuing actual crime rather than politically correct nonsense.

    Chances of Boris delivering. Depends on his choice of Home Secretary. I’d say 6/10.

    Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/europe/201...n-great-again/
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    The initials don't work as well. Maybe a more like M.B.G.A. and make it look more official, or secretive. As if they will touch anything like that with a 100000000 foot pole! LOL

    Good article though!

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    Twenty Ways Boris Johnson Can Make Britain Great Again

    Today Boris Johnson has been elected leader of the Conservative party, and tomorrow he will be crowned Prime Minister.
    I’m a lot more optimistic about Boris than many people seem to be. On Brexit, certainly, I think he’ll do the right thing — not least because all the other options have been exhausted.

    But I’m also prepared to be disappointed.

    So which will it be? Bold Boris or Useless Boris?

    We’ll know soon enough. Here are some of the problems he’ll need to tackle successfully in order to fulfil his Churchillian destiny.

    1. Deliver Brexit
    Brexit-in-name-only won’t be enough. Theresa May tried and failed several times to get that one through and the people weren’t having it. Boris has committed to leaving the EU with or without a deal on October 31st. And if he doesn’t it will be career suicide.

    Chances of Boris delivering 9/10



    2. DeBaathify the Conservatives
    The first sign we’ll have that Boris is going to fail is if Amber Rudd appears prominently in his Cabinet. Look, Boris: I understand your desire to be liked and you fear of going out on a limb, but as Tim Stanley argues so persuasively here, now is not the time to compromise by reaching out to your enemies and bringing them into the One Nation fold.

    That’s what the parliamentary Conservative party has been doing since Thatcher; that’s why it has failed so dismally — too many closet Lib Dems and Greens have been promoted at the expense of actual Conservatives. There is plenty of sound talent out there: Liz Truss; Priti Patel; Steve Baker; Esther McVey; Andrew Bridgen; Owen Paterson and, of course, the matchless Jacob Rees-Mogg.

    Why spoil a good thing by rewarding holdovers from the discredited old regime who despise everything you stand for and who are only sucking up to your now because their miserable livelihoods depend on it.

    Chances of Boris delivering 5/10

    3. Drain the Swamp

    A senior Conservative minister once complained to me that it was impossible for the Conservative government to do anything Conservative because the civil service, politicised by Tony Blair, is so irredeemably left-wing.

    Same goes for all the quangos which David Cameron promised to put on the bonfire but never did. Instead, the Conservatives have only exacerbated their problems by suicidally appointing leftists – such as Green party activist Tony Juniper, head of Natural England – to run regulatory bodies that should be being run by conservatives.

    The rot extends from the nauseatingly right-on (and anti-Trump, pro-EU) Foreign Office to the incompetent and biased Electoral Commission, the Charities Commission, the Information Commission and beyond, plus of course departments such as the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs which are run by doctrinaire eco-loons. This is the Deep State which really runs Britain. Unless Boris can summon the courage and will to tackle it, he will always be fighting his battles with one hand tied behind his back.

    Chances of Boris delivering 4/10



    4. Law and Order
    Rampant knife crime, the obsession with policing hurty tweets, skateboarding displays at Extinction Rebellion protests, virtue signalling at Pride rallies, the deliberate withholding of evidence proving the innocence of young men facing rape convictions, the vindictive pursuit of journalists for doing their job, the failure to deal with Muslim rape gangs, the harassment of Tommy Robinson, the police chief who wouldn’t intervene when one of his officers was being hacked to death by an Islamic terrorist outside parliament, the millions squandered pursuing the “credible and true” claims of a deeply suspect lying paedophile about a high up paedo conspiracy including former Chief of the General Staff Field Marshall Lord Bramall and various other innocents…

    Britain’s policing has become a national embarrassment which requires root and branch reform. Yes, the police need more resources to do their job: but only if it goes on beat officers pursuing actual crime rather than politically correct nonsense.

    Chances of Boris delivering. Depends on his choice of Home Secretary. I’d say 6/10.

    Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/europe/201...n-great-again/
    Thanks for this, Jim.

    Boris has a high probability of shining in his post, once the Brexit issue is behind us. Until it is, he'll be walking a minefield.

    He's inheriting the set of circumstances which Theresa May couldn't overcome, and which made her own task impossible.

    Boris has more to contend with. He still has pro-Remainers in the Conservative ranks, people who've decimated the Conservatives' whole ability to credibly function in the Commons. Boris's electoral 'majority' (this includes the automatic assumption that the DUP will be on his side) when it comes to getting any measures agreed by Commons votes, is wafer-thin at best. And that includes the assumption that no Conservative will rebel against Boris's direction, at all !

    But those Remainers have shown their willingness to vote as THEY want, not as the leadership wants. This is why Theresa May had to go for protracted talks with Labour, to get them on her side, at least to a degree. The DUP hated the Backstop part of her exit deal, so would not support her. Too many Conservatives were willing to rebel. She kept losing votes, badly.

    Boris will have the same difficulties.

    Philip Hammond (Chancellor) is set to resign rather than serve under Boris. His resignation should be announced tomorrow. Alan Duncan (who disagreed so strongly with Boris over Darroch) already has done. Rory Stewart either has resigned, or has threatened it (he was a strong pro-deal election candidate, and he can't serve under an Administration preparing to go the 'no deal exit' route).

    Between those three, Boris faces seeing his 'majority' wiped out altogether.

    The BBC has had some fun today over Boris's impending 'coronation'.

    They point out that Theresa May's resignation duty includes her formally recommending to the Queen who her successor will be. In so doing, she assures that the successor will lead her Government in her place. 'Constitutionally' ... if she's unable to give an assurance that the Government can function as one, and receive due leadership ... then, this could trigger a General Election in its place (presumably involving Theresa remaining in-post as a caretaker PM until the election decides things).

    So, the BBC's proposal was that Theresa May could, legitimately, stop Boris in his tracks.

    Nobody seriously believes Mrs May will do that, because she'd directly threaten the Government if she did. But, a spokesperson on the BBC tried to suggest it could happen, as Boris is bleeding too much support to viably lead.

    That, folks, is just how precarious all of this is !! Boris Johnson has headaches ahead of him that will be worse than Theresa May ever had (such as, does he prorogue Parliament to stop it defying him ??).

    Watch this space ! There's much political drama yet to come, before Brexit is done 'n' dusted. Far more !
    It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!

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    @Drummond, first he has to get that ship released! Seriously, good thoughts for his great performance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    @Drummond, first he has to get that ship released! Seriously, good thoughts for his great performance.
    Indeed.

    But he has massive headaches ahead of him. It's one thing for a Party to like a candidate enough to give electorally convincing support for the leadership role. It's quite another for Boris to find a way of neutralising the rebellious wing of his Party, which he must do, if he's to keep the voting base he needs.

    With Alan Duncan (sour grapes over Darroch, also his not liking Boris's leadership style) resigning already, at just the PROSPECT of Boris winning ... and, Philip Hammond having publicly declared in an Andrew Marr BBC interview that he'd resign on Wednesday if Boris was the victor ... he's not yet managed to stop rebellions from happening.

    He literally cannot afford one more rebellion beyond these ones. If they continue, Boris risks not being able to lead, any more than Theresa May has been able to of late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    Indeed.

    But he has massive headaches ahead of him. It's one thing for a Party to like a candidate enough to give electorally convincing support for the leadership role. It's quite another for Boris to find a way of neutralising the rebellious wing of his Party, which he must do, if he's to keep the voting base he needs.

    With Alan Duncan (sour grapes over Darroch, also his not liking Boris's leadership style) resigning already, at just the PROSPECT of Boris winning ... and, Philip Hammond having publicly declared in an Andrew Marr BBC interview that he'd resign on Wednesday if Boris was the victor ... he's not yet managed to stop rebellions from happening.

    He literally cannot afford one more rebellion beyond these ones. If they continue, Boris risks not being able to lead, any more than Theresa May has been able to of late.
    Can't they just go out for drinks?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Can't they just go out for drinks?


    I think they do. It's called the House of Commons.

    It's a great thought !!

    I suppose it's not impossible to imagine that Boris's sheer personality will carry him through. Well ... maybe.

    But watch the news. If Hammond was telling the truth, news of his resignation will be announced within the next 12 hours or so. He could act as a catalyst for more.

    Under Theresa May, Party consensus fractured badly. A fairly small minority in the Conservative Party continued to be 'Remainers'. Far more were divided over her 'deal'. Some liked it. Some thought it distinctly dodgy. Some thought it was too pro-EU. The Backstop was a sticking point, because even legal advice said that the EU could use it to keep ties between us and the EU alive, and for an indeterminate period.

    Some wanted a straight exit, minus a deal, and that wing grew with the belief that we couldn't negotiate anything else without passing the deal instead ... which had failed ratification THREE times.

    Boris might be on the opposite side of the argument, but however you view this, there are too many potential rebels for any vote in the Commons to be likely to succeed. This is why Boris's failure to reject proroguing Parliament is a problem, too. Suspending Parliament, so it can't meet and pass motions which legally ties Boris's hands, is a potential likelihood. The one thing the Commons IS sure of, is that they'll stop Boris doing that.

    Jeremy Corbyn has indicated he'll -- when 'the time is right' -- push for a 'No Confidence' vote in Boris in the Commons. If that coincides with Boris being unpopular because he's tried the proroguing route .. Boris stands to lose. Then, hello General Election !!

    It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that Corbyn will win one ... extremist Leftie that he is. If that happens, Boris will be rounded on by his own Party. Goodbye, Boris's career. Very possibly, also .. goodbye Brexit, with Corbyn obeying Party policy to take the 'Remain' route, and either hold a second Referendum (at minimum requiring a hefty further delay) or, he'll just rescind Article 50 (which is the ONE thing the EU agrees we can unilaterally do ... not surprisingly !!) and CANCEL Brexit.

    He could argue that a Labour victory, with its now being a pro-Remain Party, delivers a mandate for stopping Brexit entirely.

    So: don't imagine that, even with Boris in charge, the very future of Brexit is less than precarious. Boris will do his best, but it may not be good enough.

    We have to hope that it is. If anybody can pull this off ... it's Boris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post


    I think they do. It's called the House of Commons.

    It's a great thought !!

    I suppose it's not impossible to imagine that Boris's sheer personality will carry him through. Well ... maybe.

    But watch the news. If Hammond was telling the truth, news of his resignation will be announced within the next 12 hours or so. He could act as a catalyst for more.

    Under Theresa May, Party consensus fractured badly. A fairly small minority in the Conservative Party continued to be 'Remainers'. Far more were divided over her 'deal'. Some liked it. Some thought it distinctly dodgy. Some thought it was too pro-EU. The Backstop was a sticking point, because even legal advice said that the EU could use it to keep ties between us and the EU alive, and for an indeterminate period.

    Some wanted a straight exit, minus a deal, and that wing grew with the belief that we couldn't negotiate anything else without passing the deal instead ... which had failed ratification THREE times.

    Boris might be on the opposite side of the argument, but however you view this, there are too many potential rebels for any vote in the Commons to be likely to succeed. This is why Boris's failure to reject proroguing Parliament is a problem, too. Suspending Parliament, so it can't meet and pass motions which legally ties Boris's hands, is a potential likelihood. The one thing the Commons IS sure of, is that they'll stop Boris doing that.

    Jeremy Corbyn has indicated he'll -- when 'the time is right' -- push for a 'No Confidence' vote in Boris in the Commons. If that coincides with Boris being unpopular because he's tried the proroguing route .. Boris stands to lose. Then, hello General Election !!

    It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that Corbyn will win one ... extremist Leftie that he is. If that happens, Boris will be rounded on by his own Party. Goodbye, Boris's career. Very possibly, also .. goodbye Brexit, with Corbyn obeying Party policy take the 'Remain' route, and either hold a second Referendum (at minimum requiring a hefty further delay) or, he'll just rescind Article 50 (which is the ONE thing the EU agrees we can unilaterally do ... not surprisingly !!) and CANCEL Brexit.

    He could argue that a Labour victory, with its now being a pro-Remain Party, delivers a mandate for stopping Brexit entirely.

    So: don't imagine that, even with Boris in charge, the very future of Brexit is less than precarious. Boris will do his best, but it may not be good enough.

    We have to hope that it is. If anybody can pull this off ... it's Boris.
    Wow and we think our differences are contact sports! Seems like you all have worse fighting within your parties. We're freakin' amateurs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Wow and we think our differences are contact sports! Seems like you all have worse fighting within your parties. We're freakin' amateurs.


    On the plus side ... conditions such as these are rare in our politics. A lot of this has come about thanks to (a) disgusting EU opportunism / intransigence .. combined with (b) a Prime Minister who proved to be a very weak individual.

    She SEEMED strong. She promised tough negotiating .. a 'don't mess with me' style. She promised that if we were given a bad deal, she'd consider no deal was preferable.

    What really happened was that the EU prevaricated, forced through a dodgy deal THEY preferred, when time was growing short .. then, Theresa May refused to do anything else but force its acceptance as best she could.

    She tried three times. Her 'no deal better than a bad deal' promise was junked. She totally focused on getting it ratified and was incapable of taking any other line. She failed. She lost her job.

    Theresa proved to be weak. I think Boris will mean what he says and be strong. The EU won't like it !! They're bound to react badly. Then, 'no deal' will loom.

    Parliament won't like that, either. The fireworks will start in earnest, complete with Corbyn trying for his own 'Callaghan' moment.

    We had Jim Callaghan losing power in 1978 after a Commons 'no confidence' motion. We've had States of Emergency declared because of crippling strikes (Noir never refers to such Union-created strife, does he ?). We had a Parliamentary furore when Tony Blair sided with GW Bush over the 2003 Iraq War. But you have to go back decades to see comparable dysfunctionality in our Parliament.

    Strong leadership does a lot to mitigate them. Boris will provide that. Will it be enough ? Arguable !!

    I can promise one thing.

    It'll be full of laughs, if Boris has anything to do with it. Even if he loses out, we might as well see the funny side ... we'll at least go down laughing.
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    Boris hasn't even officially become PM yet .. Mrs May is tendering her resignation later today.

    But the opposing acrimony has already started.

    The first example of this - but, I'm sure, not the last, by a VERY long shot - has been issued by the Scottish National Party (Left-wing nationalists governing Scotland).

    Here it is ...

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...ster-1-4968493

    The SNP has said that Boris Johnson could be the shortest serving prime minister of the UK in history if he railroads ahead with his plans of inflicting a “do or die” Brexit outcome that will result in lasting economic and social harm.

    This would see him achieve the unwanted record of becoming the prime minister who has served for the total shortest period in office – a record currently held by George Canning, who lasted 119 days in the role from 12 April 1827 to 8 August 1827 before his untimely death at the age of 57.

    Johnson would see his first 99 days in office take him up to 31 October – the date he has committed to take the UK out of the EU with or without a deal.

    With the former foreign secretary looking set to succeed Theresa May this week, Ian Blackford MP warned that the SNP would not sit idly by as Johnson disregards democracy and continues to sideline Scotland’s voice and interests through the Brexit process.

    The SNP’s Westminster leader also called on MPs from across Westminster to work with the SNP to ensure that Johnson’s “nightmare” plans to drag the UK out of the EU do not become reality – calling for every option to be on the table.

    The warnings follow on from a vote in parliament last week where MPs voted by a substantial majority to stop the next prime minister pushing through a no-deal Brexit by shutting down parliament.

    The SNP has also raised serious concerns over an undemocratic Tory coronation whereby a few thousand Tory activists would choose the UK’s next prime minister, rather than the public.

    Pete Wishart, the SNP’s shadow leader of the House, introduced a bill in Westminster last week that would require a parliamentary vote on any future prime minister.
    Such hostile positioning overlooks that Scotland took part in the 2016 Referendum, and that they voted as a constituent part of the UK as a whole. This defies their charge of being 'dragged' out of the EU. Yet, now ... they're unhappy. These Lefties somehow manage to 'forget' the terms by which they voted.

    The SNP want Scotland to leave the UK. If Brexit successfully happens, they'll then press hard for a second Independence Referendum. If all that is successful, they've said they'll immediately re-apply for EU membership for their own country.

    The BBC report on this shows that Nicola Sturgeon (leader of the SNP) gives her full backing to the above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    Boris hasn't even officially become PM yet .. Mrs May is tendering her resignation later today.

    But the opposing acrimony has already started.

    The first example of this - but, I'm sure, not the last, by a VERY long shot - has been issued by the Scottish National Party (Left-wing nationalists governing Scotland).

    Here it is ...

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...ster-1-4968493



    Such hostile positioning overlooks that Scotland took part in the 2016 Referendum, and that they voted as a constituent part of the UK as a whole. This defies their charge of being 'dragged' out of the EU. Yet, now ... they're unhappy. These Lefties somehow manage to 'forget' the terms by which they voted.

    The SNP want Scotland to leave the UK. If Brexit successfully happens, they'll then press hard for a second Independence Referendum. If all that is successful, they've said they'll immediately re-apply for EU membership for their own country.

    The BBC report on this shows that Nicola Sturgeon (leader of the SNP) gives her full backing to the above.
    Egads.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Egads.
    Hah. This is only the first opening shot in what will become a very protracted and extremely angst-filled, acrimonious battle.

    Nobody over here imagines that Boris will just be able to sail through difficulties and achieve his goal without an extremely nasty battle being involved. Jeremy Corbyn WILL try to bring him down, and his Government, and force a General Election ... he's said as much. You won't see it happen yet .. Corbyn will bide his time, see factions form, see disquiet reach the proper pitch. Then, he'll act.

    Parliament, for a long time now, has frustrated the progress Brexit SHOULD have achieved. Each rebel MP has stood in unashamed opposition to the democratic Brexit promise, as was voted for. Labour even changed its core direction recently, and came out officially as pro-Remain, totally disregarding the Referendum vote. Those MP's defy the electorate. Boris wants Parliament to be stopped from continuing with that.

    But Parliament, in a rare act of agreement these days, has already voted to resist any / all attempts Boris might make to stop them continuing on as they have, by proroguing Parliament.

    It's important. Parliament could vote to dictate to Boris what his actions towards the EU should be .. Mrs May was governed by one such voted-in demand that she attend Brussels to attempt renegotiation.

    So: Boris has one hell of a battle on his hands, to do, and achieve, what he sets out to do. It's all barely begun. But I suspect it'll be so bad that British politics will have barely seen its like, in its history ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    Hah. This is only the first opening shot in what will become a very protracted and extremely angst-filled, acrimonious battle.

    Nobody over here imagines that Boris will just be able to sail through difficulties and achieve his goal without an extremely nasty battle being involved. Jeremy Corbyn WILL try to bring him down, and his Government, and force a General Election ... he's said as much. You won't see it happen yet .. Corbyn will bide his time, see factions form, see disquiet reach the proper pitch. Then, he'll act.

    Parliament, for a long time now, has frustrated the progress Brexit SHOULD have achieved. Each rebel MP has stood in unashamed opposition to the democratic Brexit promise, as was voted for. Labour even changed its core direction recently, and came out officially as pro-Remain, totally disregarding the Referendum vote. Those MP's defy the electorate. Boris wants Parliament to be stopped from continuing with that.

    But Parliament, in a rare act of agreement these days, has already voted to resist any / all attempts Boris might make to stop them continuing on as they have, by proroguing Parliament.

    It's important. Parliament could vote to dictate to Boris what his actions towards the EU should be .. Mrs May was governed by one such voted-in demand that she attend Brussels to attempt renegotiation.

    So: Boris has one hell of a battle on his hands, to do, and achieve, what he sets out to do. It's all barely begun. But I suspect it'll be so bad that British politics will have barely seen its like, in its history ...

    I have to say, your system is rather Byzantine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I have to say, your system is rather Byzantine.
    By that, do you mean overly complicated ? Or are you thinking of 'little Caesars' trying to protect their own pockets of overly-enjoyed power ??

    What we have here, at its root, is 'simply' this -- here's a history of the issue:

    Calls to leave the EU have existed for many years. A newspaper campaign concentrated and amplified those calls (not sure, but I think the Daily Express was responsible). After a while, an actual political Party formed to represent them ('UKIP').

    An MEP election was held, and we were all amazed to see how well UKIP did in it.

    The 'Establishment' was stunned.

    It became obvious that demands to leave weren't fading. We had (we were due for one) a General Election. Labour absolutely refused to grant a Referendum, in its Manifesto. UKIP demanded one, but lacked the voter base to win electoral support to arrange it themselves (they still weren't a 'main' Party). The LibDems opposed one (no surprise there). The Conservatives ... promised to hold one, in return for proper voter support.

    The Conservatives won the election. David Cameron said he'd honour the promise.

    Cameron was a staunch Remainer. He was sure the 'Remain in the EU' vote would win out. To him ... he was lancing a boil, by bringing everything to a head, so that Brexit could be buried once and for all.

    But, Brexit, won.

    The shock was very great.

    Wholesale resignations happened ... within 24 hours, Cameron resigned as PM, saying he couldn't in good conscience lead the UK out of the EU.

    Ed Miliband, Labour Leader, also resigned his leadership role, within an hour or 2 of Cameron (he'd campaigned against Brexit, and any Referendum).

    I think that the LibDem leader also resigned.

    Brexit has never been an easy process ... and old grudges and ideological oppositions linger on. The People Had Spoken ... they'd just spoken with the opposite message to the one everybody expected.

    So, here we are. Little in our history has created such shock or division. And now, Parliament is charged with doing The Peoples' Will.

    So far, it's not exactly done a good job of it.

    And neither, it seems, does it particularly want to.

    Enter Boris on to the scene. He'll have the fight of his life on his hands. That's guaranteed. He thinks the Voice of the People matters, and besides, he wants the electorate to start backing the Conservatives once more (they chiefly got the blame for Mrs May's failure) !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    By that, do you mean overly complicated ? Or are you thinking of 'little Caesars' trying to protect their own pockets of overly-enjoyed power ??

    What we have here, at its root, is 'simply' this -- here's a history of the issue:

    Calls to leave the EU have existed for many years. A newspaper campaign concentrated and amplified those calls (not sure, but I think the Daily Express was responsible). After a while, an actual political Party formed to represent them ('UKIP').

    An MEP election was held, and we were all amazed to see how well UKIP did in it.

    The 'Establishment' was stunned.

    It became obvious that demands to leave weren't fading. We had (we were due for one) a General Election. Labour absolutely refused to grant a Referendum, in its Manifesto. UKIP demanded one, but lacked the voter base to win electoral support to arrange it themselves (they still weren't a 'main' Party). The LibDems opposed one (no surprise there). The Conservatives ... promised to hold one, in return for proper voter support.

    The Conservatives won the election. David Cameron said he'd honour the promise.

    Cameron was a staunch Remainer. He was sure the 'Remain in the EU' vote would win out. To him ... he was lancing a boil, by bringing everything to a head, so that Brexit could be buried once and for all.

    But, Brexit, won.

    The shock was very great.

    Wholesale resignations happened ... within 24 hours, Cameron resigned as PM, saying he couldn't in good conscience lead the UK out of the EU.

    Ed Miliband, Labour Leader, also resigned his leadership role, within an hour or 2 of Cameron (he'd campaigned against Brexit, and any Referendum).

    I think that the LibDem leader also resigned.

    Brexit has never been an easy process ... and old grudges and ideological oppositions linger on. The People Had Spoken ... they'd just spoken with the opposite message to the one everybody expected.

    So, here we are. Little in our history has created such shock or division. And now, Parliament is charged with doing The Peoples' Will.

    So far, it's not exactly done a good job of it.

    And neither, it seems, does it particularly want to.

    Enter Boris on to the scene. He'll have the fight of his life on his hands. That's guaranteed. He thinks the Voice of the People matters, and besides, he wants the electorate to start backing the Conservatives once more (they chiefly got the blame for Mrs May's failure) !

    So right now and for the recent past, nearly all your governing is revolving around Brexit?

    Is it October that is the 'hard date,' of exit?


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    https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...dership-brexit

    BREXITEER Piers Morgan has thrown his weight behind Boris Johnson, after the blond’s victory triggered “horror” from “liberal snowflakes”.

    The Good Morning Britain host took to Twitter to share his delight at complaints about Mr Johnson scooping 66 percent of backing from Tory members in the leadership race. He was today crowned leader of the Conservatives and will be Britain’s next Prime Minister today after a meeting with the Queen. Mr Morgan said: “The more the usual insufferably self-righteous, PC-crazed, virtue-signalling liberal snowflake suspects scream with horror about Boris, the more I’m warming to the idea of him as Prime Minister.

    “Like Trump, he has a commendable talent for sending them all completely nuts.”

    He posted the infamous image of Mr Johnson stuck on a zip-wire from a few years back.

    In the image, he is wearing a full suit, blue helmet and waving two Union Jack flags while efforts are made to get him down.

    Mr Morgan’s tweet prompted further comparisons to be made between Mr Johnson and President Trump, a close friend of the outspoken host and the new Tory leader.

    It emerged a hashtag has been doing the rounds - #NotMyPM - in the hours after the victory for Mr Johnson.

    President Trump had a similar one called #NotMyPOTUS when he was elected in 2016.

    Replying to Mr Morgan’s tweet, one follower said: “Boris will put some bite back in the bulldog..... a bonus is watching the streets flood with liberal, lefties and assorted muppets tears.”

    Another added: “I’m loving the left wing tears.”
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