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    If getting our troops out is the only end game, then I guess this is a win.

    I suppose a bit of tempering regarding 'success' may be in order. Notice the Taliban and Afghanistan government really aren't communicating, indeed the Taliban continues to attack both the military and civil police. So, the issues there and likely Afghanistan as a sanctuary for terrorists will revert. I don't think that their agreement could be reached in time for the US elections, if ever.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...814_story.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    If getting our troops out is the only end game, then I guess this is a win.

    I suppose a bit of tempering regarding 'success' may be in order. Notice the Taliban and Afghanistan government really aren't communicating, indeed the Taliban continues to attack both the military and civil police. So, the issues there and likely Afghanistan as a sanctuary for terrorists will revert. I don't think that their agreement could be reached in time for the US elections, if ever.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...814_story.html
    I said the other day I wish Trump would just withdraw form Afghanistan and let them sink or swim. I don't care about Democracy for people who dont care themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    I said the other day I wish Trump would just withdraw form Afghanistan and let them sink or swim. I don't care about Democracy for people who dont care themselves.

    There really wasn't 'democracy building' here, but you're going to get your wish. Hope it's not your kids that have to return there in x number of years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    There really wasn't 'democracy building' here, but you're going to get your wish. Hope it's not your kids that have to return there in x number of years.
    Both my sons (one biological one unofficially adopted) have been there, the one we unofficially adopted is there now. He's a US Army helicopter pilot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    Both my sons (one biological one unofficially adopted) have been there, the one we unofficially adopted is there now. He's a US Army helicopter pilot.
    I thought your kids were littles, my mistake. Thank them for their service. I hope their kids don't have to go back and pick up where they are leaving off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I thought your kids were littles, my mistake. Thank them for their service. I hope their kids don't have to go back and pick up where they are leaving off.
    I have 8 kids if you count the two we just took into foster a few weeks ago, ranging in age from 27 to 3 LOL

    I've got my hands full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    I said the other day I wish Trump would just withdraw form Afghanistan and let them sink or swim. I don't care about Democracy for people who dont care themselves.
    We have been there too long. Those people do not want to settle down and act civilized.

    A lot of American and allied blood has been spilled trying to mold that county into
    a non-heathen waste land.

    Time to pull out with all of our gear.
    I have lost my mind. If found, please give it a snack and return it?

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    Months, not years:

    It's CNN, but the report is from the Pentagon

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/06/polit...&utm_term=link

    Pentagon report says ISIS is 're-surging in Syria'


    By Ryan Browne, CNN


    Updated 7:00 PM ET, Tue August 6, 2019

    ...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    We have been there too long. Those people do not want to settle down and act civilized.

    A lot of American and allied blood has been spilled trying to mold that county into
    a non-heathen waste land.

    Time to pull out with all of our gear.
    In my response please show me where I posted anything about "civilizing" anyone? And don't dare to lecture me about American blood. I have a son over there right now.

    Last week I wanted all our people out of Afghanistan, but the Taliban's recent actions have changed my mind. We need to up the ante and wipe them the fuck out. I don't care about winning hearts and minds. I care about killing those wish to kill Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    In my response please show me where I posted anything about "civilizing" anyone? And don't dare to lecture me about American blood. I have a son over there right now.

    Last week I wanted all our people out of Afghanistan, but the Taliban's recent actions have changed my mind. We need to up the ante and wipe them the fuck out. I don't care about winning hearts and minds. I care about killing those wish to kill Americans.
    Since the 'negotiations' started with the Taliban, especially after they successfully cut out the official government being involved, they've stepped up the killing of both innocents and our military. It didn't START last week, they just were emboldened to the point of shouting it to the press. That was something the US government could not ignore. Otherwise we'd have had the signed 'agreement' yesterday.

    Still think we're so 'desperate' to WIN we'll do the agreement, but I bet it won't be at Camp David.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Since the 'negotiations' started with the Taliban, especially after they successfully cut out the official government being involved, they've stepped up the killing of both innocents and our military. It didn't START last week, they just were emboldened to the point of shouting it to the press. That was something the US government could not ignore. Otherwise we'd have had the signed 'agreement' yesterday.

    Still think we're so 'desperate' to WIN we'll do the agreement, but I bet it won't be at Camp David.
    I mean on the one hand, look at how much this war has cost us with really nothing to show for it, but on the other hand the military man in me says we can't let the Taliban get away with this.

    As Gunny has said it's a lose lose for Trump, but it's largely of his own making.

    I'm sick of war, but just as I was sick of Obama using the war as a political pawn, I'm sick of Trump doing the same. He will make this deal, not because it's a good deal but because he can say going into the election "hey I got us out of Afghanistan" and frankly I'm sick of that kind of politician. I thought Trump was supposed to be different (that's a question to all the Trump boot lickers on here, not you Kath)

    Different would be Trump having the courage to say "I miscalculated here, we can't deal with the Taliban PERIOD" that's a guy I could respect. I still support Trump overall, but that support is waning every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    If getting our troops out is the only end game, then I guess this is a win.

    I suppose a bit of tempering regarding 'success' may be in order. Notice the Taliban and Afghanistan government really aren't communicating, indeed the Taliban continues to attack both the military and civil police. So, the issues there and likely Afghanistan as a sanctuary for terrorists will revert. I don't think that their agreement could be reached in time for the US elections, if ever.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...814_story.html

    Ah success arrives! No matter that the Taliban is going all out to kill as many Americans as possible in closing days. No matter that Afghan government has basically walked away, 'betrayal.' We are bugging out, which is Success!

    http://icasualties.org/



    https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morri...d-afghanistan/

    Pompeo: We Have “Succeeded” In AfghanistanED MORRISSEYPosted at 10:01 am on September 6, 2019




    Just how close are we to a deal with the Taliban? Close enough, the Washington Post notes, that the Trump administration has begun to declare victory in preparation for departing the field. Mike Pompeo carefully parsed this victory as pertaining to the “original mission” of the war in Afghanistan in an interview with the Daily Signal:


    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the United States has “delivered” on its mission to oust al-Qaeda from Afghanistan and deter terrorist attacks plotted in the country and neighboring Pakistan.


    The top diplomat’s upbeat message came ahead of a potential announcement of a peace deal between the United States and Taliban that has been tested by repeated Taliban bombings and is opposed by President Trump’s national security adviser.


    In an interview published Wednesday with the Daily Signal, a news outlet affiliated with the conservative Heritage Foundation, Pompeo said American forces engaged in the United States’ longest war have been “successful” in achieving their original mission.


    Oddly (nor maybe not so much), the Post doesn’t actually provide a link to the Daily Signal article. Nevertheless, their characterization of Pompeo’s remarks matches that of the Daily Signal’s Nolan Peterson, who took note of the “shifting goal posts” of the Secretary of State:


    “If you go back and look at the days following 9/11, the objectives set out were pretty clear: to go defeat al-Qaeda, the group that had launched the attack on the United States of America from Afghanistan. And today, al-Qaeda … doesn’t even amount to a shadow of its former self in Afghanistan,” Pompeo told The Daily Signal in an exclusive interview.


    “We have delivered,” the secretary of state added in the telephone interview. …


    Despite the shifting goal posts for what victory in Afghanistan looks like, Pompeo said U.S. forces have been “successful” in achieving their original mission.


    “There is a real achievement that has taken place, and we have in fact for now almost two decades greatly reduced the risk that an attack on the United States of America would emanate from Afghan soil, or for that matter from Pakistan as well,” Pompeo told The Daily Signal.


    Peterson’s not the only one noticing the goalposts moving. The Afghan government has publicly objected to the deal forming between the US and the Taliban, in part because the Afghan government doesn’t have much say in it. However, president Ashraf Ghani also criticizes the proposal because it doesn’t have any enforcement mechanism if the Taliban break their word:


    The Afghan government is criticizing parts of a proposed U.S.-Taliban deal to withdraw U.S. and other foreign forces from Afghanistan, saying the accord contains no clear penalties if the insurgency fails to comply.


    Zalmay Khalilzad, the chief U.S. negotiator to the Afghan peace process, said this week that he had completed an agreement in principle with the insurgents, more than a year after Washington resumed direct talks with Taliban officials in the Gulf state of Qatar. Mr. Khalilzad told a local television station on Monday that the deal awaited only President Trump’s approval.


    That would explain why Pompeo’s on a PR campaign to declare victory on the “original mission.” The mission quickly evolved into a project to restore human rights and democracy in Afghanistan, however, and the US and NATO have spent almost two decades attempting to shore up Kabul’s recognized government as the sole legitimate power in the country. At some point, that government has to stand on its own, but the terms of the peace deal appear to divide that legitimacy with the Taliban’s claim of an “emirate” — apparently with the US’ blessing:


    “It is not clear what happens if and when the Taliban fail to comply with the commitments they’re making to the U.S.,” a senior official said. “There’s no guarantee of any action.”


    The government also complained about the U.S. allowing the Taliban to sign the accord as “the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.” Whether to call the country an emirate or—as the government and the international community officially refer to it—the “Islamic Republic of Afghanistan” is an issue to be discussed in Norway.


    By using it in the Doha accord, the U.S. is “giving the Taliban a legitimacy, almost puts them in a position of being a government,” the official said. “The U.S. never called them that. We never call them that—we called them terrorists. This is the first time this has happened.”


    Speaking of which … here’s the “emirate” in action:




    CBS This Morning

    @CBSThisMorning
    An American is among two NATO service members killed in the latest Taliban attack in the capital of Afghanistan. The car bomb in Kabul yesterday killed 12 people and wounded 42 others. @charliecbs is in Afghanistan with more:




    While it’s getting more difficult to explain what our goals are in Afghanistan, this doesn’t look like “success” or victory. It looks like we’re bugging out, and we’re betraying the people we asked to help pull Afghanistan back into modernity by leaving them at the mercy of the thugs. Expect that lesson to be long remembered by more strategic potential allies than the Afghans.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Ah success arrives! No matter that the Taliban is going all out to kill as many Americans as possible in closing days. No matter that Afghan government has basically walked away, 'betrayal.' We are bugging out, which is Success!

    http://icasualties.org/



    https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morri...d-afghanistan/

    I don't actually know ANYONE who is saying we won anything in Afghanistan Kath, so not sure who you and the author of your article are admonishing.

    In fact , that is precisely why I want to get out of there. I'm tired of our men and women being killed and wounded in a war where we have no clear goals other than some vague idea of bringing democracy to a people who don't even understand the most basic concept of democracy.

    How many trillions of dollars must we spend and how many lives must be lost before you say "wait, we've been at war 40 years now, this isn't working?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    I don't actually know ANYONE who is saying we won anything in Afghanistan Kath, so not sure who you and the author of your article are admonishing.

    In fact , that is precisely why I want to get out of there. I'm tired of our men and women being killed and wounded in a war where we have no clear goals other than some vague idea of bringing democracy to a people who don't even understand the most basic concept of democracy.

    How many trillions of dollars must we spend and how many lives must be lost before you say "wait, we've been at war 40 years now, this isn't working?"

    Hey, it's 'WINNING!' When it makes you happy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Hey, it's 'WINNING!' When it makes you happy.
    ^ You are certainly above that type of response.

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