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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    3 Minutes?
    Wasn’t one of the more recent mass shooters stopped within a minute having already killed and injured dozens?
    yep, and the perpetrator was killed in 30 seconds as well. You will notice that mass shooters plan their attacks on an presumably unarmed populace congregated at undefended areas. Works really well for them and not so well for their targets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSM View Post
    yep, and the perpetrator was killed in 30 seconds as well. You will notice that mass shooters plan their attacks on an presumably unarmed populace congregated at undefended areas. Works really well for them and not so well for their targets.
    So this pretty close to best case scenario for the ‘people at the scene able to defend themselves almost instantly’ and how many died?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    So this pretty close to best case scenario for the ‘people at the scene able to defend themselves almost instantly’ and how many died?
    how many more would have died is the question you wont ask!

    I suppose being a European, that you feel much better if everyone is disarmed... nobody gets murdered in Europe! Having said that, you will tell us it's a matter of scale. Let's just agree that Americans are gun toting, bible thumping, mass murdering troglodytes. I am good with that. My advice to you, since we Americans are inherently evil people, is DON'T come America, DON'T interact with Americans, and whatever you do, DON'T ask Americans to defend your sorry asses next time one of your "peaceful but misunderstood" neighbors decides to invade your country!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    So this pretty close to best case scenario for the ‘people at the scene able to defend themselves almost instantly’ and how many died?
    Wrong question Noir. Question should be -how many more would have died or been injured had NOT the citizen been there armed that confronted the shooter?
    And how many lives could be saved in the future if more law abiding citizens are armed and able to defend themselves and defend others?
    Seems to me you are conveniently shortsighted when asking questions--questions that you think serve your liberal/leftist agenda well.
    Questions and corresponding answers that you do not want asked and given. eh?-Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSM View Post
    how many more would have died is the question you wont ask!

    I suppose being a European, that you feel much better if everyone is disarmed... nobody gets murdered in Europe! Having said that, you will tell us it's a matter of scale.
    As I was saying - this example was pretty close to ‘best case’ under the ‘everyone is safer when everyone has guns’ theory. (Therefore it is a good outcome)

    As for Gun massacres -
    Americans population approx 325million.
    European population approx 740 million.

    Twice the population in Europe and nowhere near as many gun massacres, why is that? Whenever we are all disarmed and such weak, vulnerable, easy targets for these gun wielding mass murderers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    As I was saying - this example was pretty close to ‘best case’ under the ‘everyone is safer when everyone has guns’ theory. (Therefore it is a good outcome)

    As for Gun massacres -
    Americans population approx 325million.
    European population approx 740 million.

    Twice the population in Europe and nowhere near as many gun massacres, why is that? Whenever we are all disarmed and such weak, vulnerable, easy targets for these gun wielding mass murderers?
    Less black people in Europe. That is the plain and simple truth.

    These mass shootings are rare in this country Noir, What's not rare is inner city blacks shooting the shit out of each other..

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    Less black people in Europe. That is the plain and simple truth.

    These mass shootings are rare in this country Noir, What's not rare is inner city blacks shooting the shit out of each other..
    Truthfully, you Europeans would rather wait for the "World War" type event where millions are massacred than have "mass shootings" where a mere few (10s) are murdered. You folks are thoughtful like that....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    As I was saying - this example was pretty close to ‘best case’ under the ‘everyone is safer when everyone has guns’ theory. (Therefore it is a good outcome)

    As for Gun massacres -
    Americans population approx 325million.
    European population approx 740 million.

    Twice the population in Europe and nowhere near as many gun massacres, why is that? Whenever we are all disarmed and such weak, vulnerable, easy targets for these gun wielding mass murderers?
    Yeah, we Americans know all too well how it worked out for all you slobs being disarmed... one hellova lot WORSE than a few getting shot up here in my opinion... you disarmed dumbasses got slaughtered by the MILLIONS. Care to make another stupid comparison?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    3 Minutes?
    Wasn’t one of the more recent mass shooters stopped within a minute having already killed and injured dozens?

    Did you even read the article? Your statement was one of the points made in the article. It took the Springfield PD three minutes to show up but the armed citizen already had the perp on the ground at gunpoint when they arrived. No one killed or injured. Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    As I was saying - this example was pretty close to ‘best case’ under the ‘everyone is safer when everyone has guns’ theory. (Therefore it is a good outcome)

    As for Gun massacres -
    Americans population approx 325million.
    European population approx 740 million.

    Twice the population in Europe and nowhere near as many gun massacres, why is that? Whenever we are all disarmed and such weak, vulnerable, easy targets for these gun wielding mass murderers?
    How many 'knife massacres' (including the occasional machete !) do we have in the UK ? Our draconian anti-gun laws do a very great deal to restrict ownership, sure, but then murdering maniacs just find another way of killing. Sadiq Khan (that vitriolic critic of Trump and Leftie mayor), has let knife crime get out of control in London. He shows no sign of remedying that. So, the murders continue.

    Think back to the 2011 England riots. Tell me ... if storekeepers had been allowed to own guns, and defend their properties from looting ... or if gun controls were relaxed far more generally ... do you SERIOUSLY reckon that those riots, and all that looting, would've happened, much less persisted for several days ? Knowing that if you go on a looting spree, there's a high probability that it'd end with being at the wrong end of a gun barrel ... not too likely to fail to deter, is it .. ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    So this pretty close to best case scenario for the ‘people at the scene able to defend themselves almost instantly’ and how many died?
    Noir, people who are willing to go to Wal Mart and shoot people are not going to obey gun laws, no matter which laws you pass.

    The only person in that scenario who would not have had a gun is the guy who stopped the criminal. This isn't rocket science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    How many 'knife massacres' (including the occasional machete !) do we have in the UK ? Our draconian anti-gun laws do a very great deal to restrict ownership, sure, but then murdering maniacs just find another way of killing. Sadiq Khan (that vitriolic critic of Trump and Leftie mayor), has let knife crime get out of control in London. He shows no sign of remedying that. So, the murders continue.

    Think back to the 2011 England riots. Tell me ... if storekeepers had been allowed to own guns, and defend their properties from looting ... or if gun controls were relaxed far more generally ... do you SERIOUSLY reckon that those riots, and all that looting, would've happened, much less persisted for several days ? Knowing that if you go on a looting spree, there's a high probability that it'd end with being at the wrong end of a gun barrel ... not too likely to fail to deter, is it .. ?
    Would you rather be in a shopping mall when suddenly an intended mass murderer pulls out a knife or a gun?

    Would you of preferred all the rioters had access to guns aswell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Would you rather be in a shopping mall when suddenly an intended mass murderer pulls out a knife or a gun?

    Would you of preferred all the rioters had access to guns aswell?
    Nice try but you are presenting only half the equation. I would prefer that the millions of law abiding citizens were armed, trained and capable of effectively neutralizing any armed threat at any time. Do really believe that a mass murder would walk into WalMart and start shooting knowing that most of the folks in there were armed? There is a reason these whackos choose targets that they know are well populated by defenseless people. As for rioters being armed, I am quite certain they would think twice before rioting if they know the majority of those NOT rioting were armed as well.

    I get what you are advocating and it's the same old philosophy that boils down to "I and others like me are weak or unwilling to defend ourselves. Let us make laws that curb and restrain those who oppose us. Let us rely on those few who are willing to defend us enforce the law but restrain them as well, lest they turn us. Let us do this in the name of progress and prosperity."

    By the way, this is what happens on all levels. Many nations rely on the US to defend them but then declare the US is too warlike and its people too violent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Would you rather be in a shopping mall when suddenly an intended mass murderer pulls out a knife or a gun?

    Would you of preferred all the rioters had access to guns aswell?
    I would prefer that I be allowed as a law abiding citizen to also protect myself, my family and other innocent people when my life or theirs was threatened by any crazed armed gunman!!!! I can not do that as things now stand , as government and Dems have made it very perilous for a man to defend oneself or others even when directly threatened with death or other serious harm. (yet in Chicago, their favorite voting block goes armed and murders daily, weekly, monthly at a staggering rate-with the Dems doing their best to hide that glaring fact/reality)
    To defend myself and others, I must be allowed my Constitutional right to bear arm --without having to endure additional attacks, searches and violations of myself by law enforcement or any other agencies that want to keep me as a damn slave in desperate need of their damn overbearing stewardship, and arrogantly proclaimed bullshit so-called help..

    We that have such ability are denied that Constitutional right because the dem party--in its socialist/liberal ideology fears us and wants a nation completely unarmed --where the central government is --ALL POWERFUL-- and functions as did a feudal kingdom or a dictatorship.
    Yes, Noir, you get to ignore my posts because long ago I so refuted your stupidity(leftist/socialist type ideology) so damn truly , utterly and convincingly -- that running away was your only course to take.
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    I don't need to tell the lame liberals why I want or need my gun.

    I don't need to answer their lame and loaded questions.

    The law and the COTUS should simple be followed, end of loaded questions.

    If a liberal would like to remain un-armed, I have no argument for them.

    Criminals will not, not ever, simply give up their guns, and give up crime. Take away gun crimes by criminals, and guns are a much much much much smaller issue.

    Law abiding citizens such as myself, will not give up their guns and ability to defend themselves. Ever.

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    Lindsey Graham Politely Explains to Idiot Reporters Why He needs an AR-15

    A favorite question that the anti-gun crowd likes to ask is "Why does anyone need an AR-15?" Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) has a very practical answer to that, which he offered to reporters on Friday.

    The New York Post:

    Sen. Lindsey Graham knocked down the idea of banning semi-automatic weapons nearly identical to those used by soldiers on the off chance a hurricane slams into his South Carolina town.
    “Here’s a scenario that I think is real: There’s a hurricane, a natural disaster, no power, no cops, no anything,” the Republican lawmaker told reporters aboard Air Force One.

    A reporter asked if he meant looters.

    “Yeah, people, they’re not going to come to the AR-15 home,” Graham responded. “Well, I think if you show up on the porch with an AR-15, they’ll probably go down the street.”
    That's a very sound point. No matter where you live, you can come up with a legitimate argument for owning an AR-15 for self-defense. Of course, no one ever wants to be in a situation where they have to, but the peace of mind is a gift.

    Although he can occasionally be a firebrand, Graham is still a United States senator and was flying with the president on Air Force One when asked about this. He remained very decorous and didn't offer the answer that a regular, law-abiding gun owner might.

    I sleep with a loaded Beretta on my nightstand and was once asked why.

    "Because I (expletive deleted) want to."

    That's really the only answer anyone needs in response to being asked why he or she is doing something perfectly legal that isn't harming anyone else.

    My dad (may he rest in peace) had a more polite, but still intentionally obnoxious, response when someone once asked him why he slept with a gun next to his bed:

    "Where do you keep yours?"

    Have I ever had to use a gun for self-defense? Thankfully, no. And I hope I never have to.

    Rest - https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...eeds-an-ar-15/
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