Britain Nov. 1st Election?

[Kathianne]

@Noir, @Drummond thoughts?

https://spectator.us/britain-november-election/

[Noir]

Another general election -on the Eve of Brexit no less- sounds like an absolute disaster. So it’s almost certainly going to happen.

[Kathianne]

Another general election -on the Eve of Brexit no less- sounds like an absolute disaster. So it’s almost certainly going to happen.

I thought the hard date for Brexit was 10/31? So wouldn't that be the day after? All Saints Day.

[Noir]

I thought the hard date for Brexit was 10/31? So wouldn't that be the day after? All Saints Day.

Yeah the literal election date will be all saints day - the electioneering will of been over the previous 6 weeks, which you’d consider Brexit eve, and which our government would be busy, we, trying to not lose even more MPs.

[Drummond]

I thought the hard date for Brexit was 10/31? So wouldn't that be the day after? All Saints Day.

Whether it's a 'hard date' is debatable. We had a previous 'hard date' set for the end of March, BUT, we asked for, and got, our latest extension to October. Part of (most of) the point of Boris being so emphatic about our leaving 'come-what-may' in October was to dispel others' thoughts that this process would be repeated.

Regardless, we've already heard from the EU that they could look favourably on yet another extension. Of course we have. They want our exit to be as dragged out as possible, or better yet, reversed entirely.

It's a hard date because Boris says it is. Simply that. There are plenty who'd want him to change his mind.

But things have moved on. The latest move from the Labour (Socialist) Party is one of an arrogant power-grab ... a form of political coup, in fact ... if they can't make the headway they want against Boris.

It comes down to this: Labour are planning a motion of No Confidence against the Conservatives, to be applied soon after Summer Recess. If they can get one to go their way, Boris has said he'll disregard it, for at least as long as it takes to get Brexit concluded.

Now, time is very tight. Say the No Confidence motion wins. The normal route, then, would be for a General Election to happen. This'd mean time taken out in fighting and winning one, instead of time taken to further fight in the Commons to do what would 'have to be' done to procedurally (even legislatively) throw yet more spanners at the 'no deal' exit scenario that Labour and the LibDems are desperate to stop.

[Tactically ... Boris could follow convention, call the election, making sure that the run-up period to polling day was entirely take up with canvassing for votes, which would deny Brexit opposers any chance of making headway in the Commons with further wrecking motions / directives.]

Labour have an answer for all this, though .... disgusting though it is ... !!! ....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...U8XVyIXAKvHDsY

John McDonnell has threatened to drag the Queen into a constitutional crisis by claiming Labour would “take over” if Boris Johnson refused to quit were he to lose a confidence vote.

The shadow chancellor suggested he would send Jeremy Corbyn to Buckingham Palace “in a cab” to tell the 93-year-old monarch the party was ready to assume power, in the latest sign that MPs seeking to stop a no-deal Brexit are planning to embroil Her Majesty in politics as they run out of parliamentary options.

In other words .... NO election, just a straight seizure of power.

The presumption would be that Labour, as the second biggest presence in the Commons, would be the 'natural' alternative to the present Government. Never mind that in the recent MEP election, the newly-formed Brexit Party (committed to our leaving) trounced Labour to win a lot more votes, this proving the Public's wish to see Brexit succeed !! No. In this scenario, Labour just seizes power, then, if it's true to the newly-affirmed official position of being pro-Remain, they could just revoke Article 50 and kill Brexit off entirely !!

I think this would finish Labour as an electable Party. They'd be defying the 2016 Referendum result. They'd be defying the well-established mood of the British people, who, today, have shown the great level of support Brexit commands. No ... Labour would be riding roughshod over all of that.

Labour could take another route. They could seize power, go to the EU and ask for (& get) yet another extension beyond October ... then use that time to fight a General Election, in the hope of winning a majority of MP's capable of allowing Labour to have a stronger power-base ... THEN revoke Article 50, claiming that their winning an election gave them all the mandate they need to do so.

But I don't think Labour have a prayer of winning that election. If they understand this ... IF ... then they'll just seize power and shun elections for as long as possible. Cue what I've described above. AND .. goodbye, Brexit !!

[Noir]

Drummond do you think it is improper for Boris to state that he will ignore the vote of no-confidence until he wants if he loses it?

[Drummond]

Drummond do you think it is improper for Boris to state that he will ignore the vote of no-confidence until he wants if he loses it?

I think it's entirely proper for Boris to make a promise to the peoples of the UK, then, to keep it !!

The point of the No Confidence motion would be to force him to not keep it.

The 2016 Referendum was perfectly clear. A majority wanted us to quit the EU. That Referendum gave Parliament a mandate, and a clear direction as to what should be the end result of our EU membership ... namely, that it should CEASE.

Boris is doing his damndest to honour that mandate.

Labour, the LibDems, and other rebels, are doing THEIR damndest to DEFY it.

Who has the greater honour, Noir ? Whose is the more reputable stance ? Who has the greater respect for the democratic Will of the People ?

WHO, THEREFORE, TRULY DESERVES TO WIN OUT IN THIS BATTLE ??

[Gunny]

Whether it's a 'hard date' is debatable. We had a previous 'hard date' set for the end of March, BUT, we asked for, and got, our latest extension to October. Part of (most of) the point of Boris being so emphatic about our leaving 'come-what-may' in October was to dispel others' thoughts that this process would be repeated.

Regardless, we've already heard from the EU that they could look favourably on yet another extension. Of course we have. They want our exit to be as dragged out as possible, or better yet, reversed entirely.

It's a hard date because Boris says it is. Simply that. There are plenty who'd want him to change his mind.

But things have moved on. The latest move from the Labour (Socialist) Party is one of an arrogant power-grab ... a form of political coup, in fact ... if they can't make the headway they want against Boris.

It comes down to this: Labour are planning a motion of No Confidence against the Conservatives, to be applied soon after Summer Recess. If they can get one to go their way, Boris has said he'll disregard it, for at least as long as it takes to get Brexit concluded.

Now, time is very tight. Say the No Confidence motion wins. The normal route, then, would be for a General Election to happen. This'd mean time taken out in fighting and winning one, instead of time taken to further fight in the Commons to do what would 'have to be' done to procedurally (even legislatively) throw yet more spanners at the 'no deal' exit scenario that Labour and the LibDems are desperate to stop.

[Tactically ... Boris could follow convention, call the election, making sure that the run-up period to polling day was entirely take up with canvassing for votes, which would deny Brexit opposers any chance of making headway in the Commons with further wrecking motions / directives.]

Labour have an answer for all this, though .... disgusting though it is ... !!! ....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...U8XVyIXAKvHDsY



In other words .... NO election, just a straight seizure of power.

The presumption would be that Labour, as the second biggest presence in the Commons, would be the 'natural' alternative to the present Government. Never mind that in the recent MEP election, the newly-formed Brexit Party (committed to our leaving) trounced Labour to win a lot more votes, this proving the Public's wish to see Brexit succeed !! No. In this scenario, Labour just seizes power, then, if it's true to the newly-affirmed official position of being pro-Remain, they could just revoke Article 50 and kill Brexit off entirely !!

I think this would finish Labour as an electable Party. They'd be defying the 2016 Referendum result. They'd be defying the well-established mood of the British people, who, today, have shown the great level of support Brexit commands. No ... Labour would be riding roughshod over all of that.

Labour could take another route. They could seize power, go to the EU and ask for (& get) yet another extension beyond October ... then use that time to fight a General Election, in the hope of winning a majority of MP's capable of allowing Labour to have a stronger power-base ... THEN revoke Article 50, claiming that their winning an election gave them all the mandate they need to do so.

But I don't think Labour have a prayer of winning that election. If they understand this ... IF ... then they'll just seize power and shun elections for as long as possible. Cue what I've described above. AND .. goodbye, Brexit !!

Wow. This sounds as dumb as the US House of Representatives.

[Drummond]

Wow. This sounds as dumb as the US House of Representatives.

At its heart, literally ALL of this comes down to our Labour Party and its obsession with winning power, any way it can.

They've betrayed the electorate, by reversing a key 2017 Manifesto pledge .. one that no doubt did a lot to get their MP's elected in the first place. Whole communities now have their MP's fighting for exactly the opposite of what they wanted them to help bring about, and what they SAID they'd help facilitate.

The Labour Party is committed, now, to fighting the outcome of the 2016 Referendum. Where the People gave Parliament a mandate to GET BREXIT DONE.

Parliament has done a lot to frustrate that mandate -- the chief culprits, being -- LABOUR.

Now, we have Boris Johnson doing everything he possibly can to get it all done by 31st October, the deadline.

The latest on this is that Labour's leader has officially questioned whether a Government in the throes of a General Election is justified in saying that the election process must stall moves to stop Brexit until after October (typically, our elections take around 2 months from beginning to end, and Parliament doesn't return from its Summer Recess until September). Corbyn questions whether, if Boris CAN delay until after the cutoff day, it'd be 'anti democratic' to do that (!!!).

Labour's sheer hypocrisy doesn't get any more blatant than that !! Their anti-democratic efforts to nullify Brexit, Labour want to see succeed .. and if they're stopped, that's somehow 'anti democratic' !!!