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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Your question relates to sex when the discussion I was having about the title Mx being the norm is about gender
    So the question "what sex are you" and "what gender are you" no longer mean the same. Why? Have our physical bodies evolved in some way that I'm not aware of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Public or private school?
    Public. She's a terrible teacher, but this is the first whack jobbery we've ever seen out of her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    So the question "what sex are you" and "what gender are you" no longer mean the same. Why? Have our physical bodies evolved in some way that I'm not aware of?
    They have never been the same.
    Gender is behavioural and societal. Sex is biological.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    They have never been the same.
    Gender is behavioural and societal. Sex is biological.
    Way to over-intellectualize anything. There are important things going on in the world today, this is not one of them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    They have never been the same.
    Gender is behavioural and societal. Sex is biological.
    Since when? Since social justice warriors started popping up?

    As I stated earlier ... why should I be tolerant of new behavior norms when they aren't my norms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Since when? Since social justice warriors started popping up?

    As I stated earlier ... why should I be tolerant of new behavior norms when they aren't my norms?
    There is no “since” because they were never the same at any point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Way to over-intellectualize anything. There are important things going on in the world today, this is not one of them.
    Nothing is being over-intellectualised, gender and sex are not the same thing period.

    Given you created this thread to discuss the topic presumably you ascribe some importance to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Nothing is being over-intellectualised, gender and sex are not the same thing period.

    Given you created this thread to discuss the topic presumably you ascribe some importance to it.
    Not on those that feel as adults that they need to bring classrooms full of students into the workings of their own issues. That was my point.

    Noir, there is a world of difference between expectations of being treated equally and assuming special treatment in the name of tolerance.

    I do not give a rat's blank about what adults do with adults in appropriate surroundings. I do care what adults do to children, physically, emotionally. I do not assume someone's personal sexual choices would effect their ability to teach. I do question someone who is supposed to be teaching and instead chooses to indoctrinate. It's abusive and they should be fired, not given publicity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    There is no “since” because they were never the same at any point.
    Noir, I've been around way longer than you and I'm telling you this crap about sex and gender being different didn't exist in our world. Maybe it was here when you were born into it but it has definitely been the norm for them to be the same during my lifetime.

    See, your thinking shows how corrupt liberal education has become. This idea that they are different is not the norm. I'm sure some liberal professor, SJW type lobbied to have definition changed to the BS you are spouting.

    If I pulled every application I've ever filled out over my lifetime there are boxes asking about whether I'm a female or male, and the question is "what sex or what gender" are you which is directly related to whether I have penis or vagina. It had nothing to do with what I wanted to identify with.

    So, yes ... "since" is very relevant. Your cavalier dismissal is blatant gaslighting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Nothing is being over-intellectualised, gender and sex are not the same thing period.

    Given you created this thread to discuss the topic presumably you ascribe some importance to it.
    Noir, I'm gonna ask again, is their ANY nuttery from the left that you would be willing to say "woah too far?" Because that's how you weed out a loon. Look at someone like myself or Kath versus someone like HPD on the right on this message board , for example. There are PLENTY of issues in which her and I have pushed back on the GOP for , while there truly is nothing that Trump especially could propose that the nut HPD wouldn't applaud. Seee , we're sane , he's insane. Always defendi9ng every whacky fucking idea that someone from your side proposes simply because they are on "your side" is equally insane whichever side you are on.

    Gender and sex have meant the same fucking thing for nigh on 2500 years , at least. And you know this is factually true. That you can't simply say "hey believe what you want in your private life, but no teacher should be prothelisizing to their students , whether it is in regards to religion nor non religious beliefs like "sex and gender are two different things" reveals quite a lot about you .

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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Noir, I've been around way longer than you and I'm telling you this crap about sex and gender being different didn't exist in our world. Maybe it was here when you were born into it but it has definitely been the norm for them to be the same during my lifetime.

    See, your thinking shows how corrupt liberal education has become. This idea that they are different is not the norm. I'm sure some liberal professor, SJW type lobbied to have definition changed to the BS you are spouting.

    If I pulled every application I've ever filled out over my lifetime there are boxes asking about whether I'm a female or male, and the question is "what sex or what gender" are you which is directly related to whether I have penis or vagina. It had nothing to do with what I wanted to identify with.

    So, yes ... "since" is very relevant. Your cavalier dismissal is blatant gaslighting.
    See attached a photo of an American boy from 1884, in clothing typical of a boy for that period, before more modern conventions of gendered clothing. If a parent were to dress there child the same way today would you scoff?

    5FF83F52-A0E5-4FA9-9AA3-33C4CDCBC42D.jpeg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    See attached a photo of an American boy from 1884, in clothing typical of a boy for that period, before more modern conventions of gendered clothing. If a parent were to dress there child the same way today would you scoff?

    5FF83F52-A0E5-4FA9-9AA3-33C4CDCBC42D.jpeg
    I see a picture... I don't see any proof that's an American, or a boy, or that it's from 1884.
    Last edited by High_Plains_Drifter; 08-20-2019 at 01:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    See attached a photo of an American boy from 1884, in clothing typical of a boy for that period, before more modern conventions of gendered clothing. If a parent were to dress there child the same way today would you scoff?

    5FF83F52-A0E5-4FA9-9AA3-33C4CDCBC42D.jpeg
    Can't help but notice you ignored my question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    See attached a photo of an American boy from 1884, in clothing typical of a boy for that period, before more modern conventions of gendered clothing. If a parent were to dress there child the same way today would you scoff?

    5FF83F52-A0E5-4FA9-9AA3-33C4CDCBC42D.jpeg
    I Think most of us have NO need to see the way you dress today using old photography techniques.
    I may be older than most. I may say things not everybody will like.
    But despite all of that. I will never lower myself to the level of Liars, Haters, Cheats, and Hypocrites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Not on those that feel as adults that they need to bring classrooms full of students into the workings of their own issues. That was my point.

    Noir, there is a world of difference between expectations of being treated equally and assuming special treatment in the name of tolerance.

    I do not give a rat's blank about what adults do with adults in appropriate surroundings. I do care what adults do to children, physically, emotionally. I do not assume someone's personal sexual choices would effect their ability to teach. I do question someone who is supposed to be teaching and instead chooses to indoctrinate. It's abusive and they should be fired, not given publicity.
    Some want to allow anything and everything to go at home, up to and including claims that a 2 year old, for example, is NOT what is in his/her pants say. And then, to make matters worse, they go public with this bullshit and make demands. Then it's gotten around and now multiple liberal idiots at once may complain that their child is actually of a different sex, and then make demands of the education system to honor whatever their retarded claims may be. If the teacher is the one doing the indoctrination, I agree, toss them out the back door. If a parent or child makes such a demand, tell them politely it's not something to be dealt with in school - end of story.

    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Noir, I've been around way longer than you and I'm telling you this crap about sex and gender being different didn't exist in our world. Maybe it was here when you were born into it but it has definitely been the norm for them to be the same during my lifetime.

    See, your thinking shows how corrupt liberal education has become. This idea that they are different is not the norm. I'm sure some liberal professor, SJW type lobbied to have definition changed to the BS you are spouting.

    If I pulled every application I've ever filled out over my lifetime there are boxes asking about whether I'm a female or male, and the question is "what sex or what gender" are you which is directly related to whether I have penis or vagina. It had nothing to do with what I wanted to identify with.

    So, yes ... "since" is very relevant. Your cavalier dismissal is blatant gaslighting.
    Hell, I've filled out many that had gender as the question, with the appropriate responses being TWO responses only - male or female. There have been weirdos all along but it's spread since social media has arrived, and the crazies convene together.

    It's the norm and appropriate to ask either sex or gender, and including within both male/female as the responses - as without the ever so tolerant nitwits out there making demands, that's all their ever was. And all their currently is, IMO. Perhaps add-in options like "other" and they can place in their chose to be opposite gender, or chose to be one of the newly found 50+ claimed genders out there now. Whatever floats their "other" boats. Or maybe simply add the biological obvious, do you have a penis or vagina?

    Just like others want to be known as Super Man, Marlboro Man, or a genderless alien - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...ess-ALIEN.html
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