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    I知 going to take a second run at this thread.

    Having re-read, I think a big communication problem was rooted in the idea of 徹wnership so I want to take than back a step, and propose that 殿ttachment is the hidden hand pulling the lever.

    Attachment to a watch is a path to suffering.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hjmick View Post
    It becomes "mine" when I buy it or when someone gives it to me. It ceases to be mine when I say so. Theft does not make it yours.

    I just came across this thread since Noir posted, havent read every post, but wanted to add this.

    Of course what you say is true, BUT it is also not quite true.

    For example, if I have a car and you steal it, obviously it is still my car and I'm not likely to let that go. Not to mention we have documentation to clearly prove ownership of vehicles.

    On the other hand, if I have a watch and you steal it, unless its a pretty damn special watch I'm probably not going to be overly concerned with proving its still mine even though you stole it.

    Large companies like Wal Mart use this philosophy all the time, and call it shrinkage. If you attempt to steal a large money item like a TV or something, they are going to attempt to stop you and prevent you from stealing THEIR merchandise. On the other hand, they do virtually nothing to prevent the theft of small items effectively relinquishing ownership via theft by their inaction to prevent it. If you manage to get outside with a pair of shoes that you stole from Wal Mart, they are your shoes. They no longer belong to Wal Mart

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    I just came across this thread since Noir posted, havent read every post, but wanted to add this.

    Of course what you say is true, BUT it is also not quite true.

    For example, if I have a car and you steal it, obviously it is still my car and I'm not likely to let that go. Not to mention we have documentation to clearly prove ownership of vehicles.

    On the other hand, if I have a watch and you steal it, unless its a pretty damn special watch I'm probably not going to be overly concerned with proving its still mine even though you stole it.

    Large companies like Wal Mart use this philosophy all the time, and call it shrinkage. If you attempt to steal a large money item like a TV or something, they are going to attempt to stop you and prevent you from stealing THEIR merchandise. On the other hand, they do virtually nothing to prevent the theft of small items effectively relinquishing ownership via theft by their inaction to prevent it. If you manage to get outside with a pair of shoes that you stole from Wal Mart, they are your shoes. They no longer belong to Wal Mart
    You cannot argue simple examples with a simpleton! It just shoots over their narrow mind.
    I have lost my mind. If found, please give it a snack and return it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Now we are moving from talking of ownership to states of being, characteristics, etc.
    We need our resident poet to write about how the river is never the same twice.

    I wish my body was the same as it once was, lol. And my mind, too. The mental acuity I had, say, taking the bar exam, was quite better than it is as I write this. And my thoughts and wisdom, I guess, have evolved/matured as well. But at the core, I am still 杜e.

    To your point (?), if my consciousness could be transferred to another body, whatever is 杜e would go with it. The body is just a handy container, and not really determinative of self. But it痴 still mine. At least until I am pregnant; then I share it with another being.
    Sorry Abbey, I meant to write as you suggested but I forgot..
    Now seeing this thread again I will compose a quick one, just for you my friend.
    Dedicated to Abbey, a friend that stirred my muse .. -Tyr

    O'mighty River, I Stand Aghast At Thy Great Change

    O'mighty river, I can give to thee my thanks
    for the fish that have fed me in times that were slim
    for days of my fishing from thy great shaded banks
    for swimming that kept me athletic and so trim.

    O'mighty river, have you seen how I now weep
    how my youthful body its figure has now lost
    now thy hot banks are not shaded and far too steep
    and swimming in your waters comes at higher costs!

    O'mighty river, has thy tasty fish all fled
    those muddy waters no longer beckoning sweet
    I see thy once great flow moves as one almost dead
    did change come from Nature's bounty or its defeat?

    O'mighty river, have you seen how I now weep.
    Now thy hot banks are not shaded and far too steep.

    Robert J. Lindley, 10-28-2019
    Sonnet, ( What Time Ravages, Life Must Then Truly Accept.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Sorry Abbey, I meant to write as you suggested but I forgot..
    Now seeing this thread again I will compose a quick one, just for you my friend.
    Dedicated to Abbey, a friend that stirred my muse .. -Tyr

    O'mighty River, I Stand Aghast At Thy Great Change

    O'mighty river, I can give to thee my thanks
    for the fish that have fed me in times that were slim
    for days of my fishing from thy great shaded banks
    for swimming that kept me athletic and so trim.

    O'mighty river, have you seen how I now weep
    how my youthful body its figure has now lost
    now thy hot banks are not shaded and far too steep
    and swimming in your waters comes at higher costs!

    O'mighty river, has thy tasty fish all fled
    those muddy waters no longer beckoning sweet
    I see thy once great flow moves as one almost dead
    did change come from Nature's bounty or its defeat?

    O'mighty river, have you seen how I now weep.
    Now thy hot banks are not shaded and far too steep.

    Robert J. Lindley, 10-28-2019
    Sonnet, ( What Time Ravages, Life Must Then Truly Accept.)
    Somehow I missed this- lovely poem, Robert!

    And since the thread is open again, anyone want to comment on Noir’s premise now?
    After the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box - Author unknown

    填nfortunately, the truth is now whatever the media say it is
    -Abbey

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