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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Regarding some of the above posts - this has nothing to do with socialism etc.
    Pull the other one !! Your assertion couldn't be more false.

    That is the right question, and I think the answer has to be no. “My” body is not the same body I had yesterday, nor will it be the same tomorrow. In what sense is your body the same as the one you occupied when you were 15?

    Are you your body, or are you inside it?
    Just as expected ... you're taking this to the extreme where any sense of 'self' is open to question and doubt. Anyone foolish enough to be prey enough to such an effort of 'programming', could be expected to be shorn of all self-worth, since - supposedly - 'self' is meant to be seen as ultimately meaningless.

    If your body isn't the same one you had yesterday ... whose IS it, then ?? Do you go in for body swapping on a daily basis ??

    Chew on this ...

    A person's character exists.

    A person's memory exists.

    A person's beliefs exist.

    Most particularly .. a person's DNA profile exists !!!

    We aren't all being regularly reborn, 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' style, Noir. When I go to sleep tonight, tomorrow I'll wake up as ME, and not somebody else. Your continuation of an argument suggesting otherwise, if in fact you DO continue with this, won't alter the truth of any of my above statements .. yet, if you were right, I'd have to be telling falsehoods.

    There will never be a time when I will doubt I'm me, Noir. And may I suggest that, for all of the extreme perversity of your current argument, neither will YOU.

    Isn't that right, Fred .. ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Regarding some of the above posts - this has nothing to do with socialism etc.



    [/I]That is the right question, and I think the answer has to be no. “My” body is not the same body I had yesterday, nor will it be the same tomorrow. In what sense is your body the same as the one you occupied when you were 15?

    Are you your body, or are you inside it?
    Now we are moving from talking of ownership to states of being, characteristics, etc.
    We need our resident poet to write about how the river is never the same twice.

    I wish my body was the same as it once was, lol. And my mind, too. The mental acuity I had, say, taking the bar exam, was quite better than it is as I write this. And my thoughts and wisdom, I guess, have evolved/matured as well. But at the core, I am still “me”.

    To your point (?), if my consciousness could be transferred to another body, whatever is “me” would go with it. The body is just a handy container, and not really determinative of self. But it’s still mine. At least until I am pregnant; then I share it with another being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    We are animals like them, subject to the same perception.
    After I made my animal/human post, I thought it was a bit lame because you would point out that we are different due to human will and intellect, if not our souls. But you went the other way.
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    This is a perfect example of over psychoanalyzing something to the point of absurdity.

    It's like asking, when does the sun come up? Is it up when you can first see a little sliver of it, is it up when you can see half of it, some other lessor or greater fraction, or is it not up until you can see all of it, blah, blah, blah?

    Who in the fuck cares? Can you see it? Is it light outside? Yes? OK then, the fucking sun is up.

    Why does anyone waste brain time on such inane crap?
    Last edited by High_Plains_Drifter; 08-27-2019 at 10:00 PM.

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    This is is stretching quite a bit away from my original posts intention - but as you asked...

    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    .If your body isn't the same one you had yesterday ... whose IS it, then ??
    That is a good question, and one I am not equipped to answer.

    Chew on this ...

    A person's character exists.

    A person's memory exists.

    A person's beliefs exist.

    Most particularly .. a person's DNA profile exists !!!
    The first three are transient, and so subject to constant change.

    The third is biologically programmable, and indeed copyable, if you are your DNA we could have thousands of “you” created in an afternoon with appropriate technological advancement. They are not you in the sense that we think of you being you though, would you agree?

    - - - -

    Even if I had the appropriate language to describe what I meant to you I would doubt that you’d be able to read it without prejudice of ‘this is some lefty-socialist trick’ etc, so I am not the one who will be able to really deliver this message to you.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Regarding some of the above posts - this has nothing to do with socialism etc.
    If your watch, body, memory, etc. isn't yours then who do they belong to? The collective?
    If the freedom of speech is taken away
    then dumb and silent we may be led,
    like sheep to the slaughter.


    George Washington (1732-1799) First President of the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    If your watch, body, memory, etc. isn't yours then who do they belong to? The collective?
    Not at all.
    They don't belong, period.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Not at all.
    They don't belong, period.
    My body belongs on earth were it was born.
    It belongs to my family and myself.
    YOUR VAGUE ANSWERS POINT EITHER TO DELIBERATE EVASION OR ELSE A VERY,VERY, VERY CONFUSED PERSON, IMHO.-Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    My body belongs on earth were it was born.
    It belongs to my family and myself.
    YOUR VAGUE ANSWERS POINT EITHER TO DELIBERATE EVASION OR ELSE A VERY,VERY, VERY CONFUSED PERSON, IMHO.-Tyr
    That's the way little liberals that think they're so intellectual think, brother Tyr.

    Take something that should be simple, basic logic to anyone else, and then dissect it with liberal psycho analysis until it's unrecognizably absurd, and then they congratulate themselves for being so intellectually superior to everyone else.

    They're also oblivious as to how ridiculous they look and sound to many of us. They don't care. We're just stupid conservative mouth breathing hicks to them.
    Last edited by High_Plains_Drifter; 08-29-2019 at 06:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Not at all.
    They don't belong, period.
    Of course they do.
    Everything belongs somewhere .. to something.
    Imagine how lonely ... not belonging.
    If the freedom of speech is taken away
    then dumb and silent we may be led,
    like sheep to the slaughter.


    George Washington (1732-1799) First President of the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Of course they do.
    Everything belongs somewhere .. to something.
    Imagine how lonely ... not belonging.
    There is a framing issue here that when I say something ‘doesn’t belong’ you see it from a perspective in which things ‘do and don’t’ belong (like is referenced in the OP) whereas I mean it in the sense that there is no ‘belonging’.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    There is a framing issue here that when I say something ‘doesn’t belong’ you see it from a perspective in which things ‘do and don’t’ belong (like is referenced in the OP) whereas I mean it in the sense that there is no ‘belonging’.
    No... there's a liberal pshyco babble issue here.

    This is the same sort of idiotic psycho babble that gets used in much of the left's politically correct garbage and their name change game.
    Last edited by High_Plains_Drifter; 08-29-2019 at 06:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    There is a framing issue here that when I say something ‘doesn’t belong’ you see it from a perspective in which things ‘do and don’t’ belong (like is referenced in the OP) whereas I mean it in the sense that there is no ‘belonging’.
    And, I disagree. Belonging is essential to well being.

    Belonging ... an affinity for a place or situation.
    If the freedom of speech is taken away
    then dumb and silent we may be led,
    like sheep to the slaughter.


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    Well, @Noir agree with you or not, I appreciate the thread. Maybe I’m different, but I enjoy these types of discussions. Everything doesn’t need to be about politics and so very serious.
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