The Queen agrees to let Boris Johnson shut down Parliament...

[jimnyc]

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The Queen agrees to let Boris Johnson shut down Parliament and thwart Corbyn’s anti-Brexit plot

THE Queen has approved Boris Johnson’s bombshell request to suspend Parliament and stop Jeremy Corbyn’s plans to block No Deal Brexit.

Her Majesty met with members of Privy Council today at Balmoral and an order to prorogue Parliament between September 9 to October 14 was given the green light this afternoon.



Rest - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...wn-parliament/


Boris Johnson asks Queen Elizabeth to suspend Parliament to force through Brexit

LONDON — Britain's Queen Elizabeth II approved a request Wednesday by Prime Minister Boris Johnson to suspend Parliament, a constitutionally unusual move that makes it easier for Johnson to force through the country's departure from the European Union.

It means British parliamentarians, determined to stop the nation leaving the EU without a formal exit deal, will have little time to do so just weeks ahead of a Brexit deadline on Oct. 31. Johnson requested the Queen "prorogue" Parliament — shut it down, essentially — on Sept. 10, a week after lawmakers return from a summer recess.

Critics argue the move subverts the democratic process. Dominic Grieve, a member of Johnson's ruling Conservative Party, called it "an outrageous act" and warned that it could lead to a no confidence vote. "This government will come down," said Grieve.

Britain's monarch rarely intervenes directly in politicized affairs of state and it would be exceptionally rare for her to defy the prime minister's request. The British pound currency fell sharply on the news, recently down almost 1% against the dollar.

Rest - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...it/2138789001/

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Bet me he didn't talk this strategy over with President Trump.

[Drummond]

Bet me he didn't talk this strategy over with President Trump.

Well, anyway ... with Labour, and others, meeting to discuss ways of stopping Boris from having any ability to get us out of the EU minus a deal with the EU .. Boris didn't have a choice, as I see it.

I find it comical that critics of Boris's move were so quick to dismiss the intention as 'an outrage' and 'unconstitutional' .. when along came the Queen, to approve the move !!

Without this, Boris's political enemies intended to pass legislation forcing him to commit to making a deal with the EU as a mandatory step to exiting. Since the EU has no interest in offering one other than the one which Parliament has rejected THREE times already, that would've stalled progress until beyond the deadline date (i.e we'd remain in the EU long after October).

With that in place .. their No Confidence motion could've triggered an election, with in all probability a second Referendum (to negate the first one) following. The end product of all of this would've been to force the ending of Brexit entirely, making our subordination to EU diktat irrevocable in everyone's lifetimes.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Heard on the news that there's a huge uproar about this now.

Well, England likes their QUEEN. You mean they're going to turn on HER NOW too?

And I had no idea the Queen, or royal family for that matter, had any official power over anything. I always thought they were just dinosaurs from romantic ages long past that the people of England still simply tolerated.

[Drummond]

Heard on the news that there's a huge uproar about this now.

Well, England likes their QUEEN. You mean they're going to turn on HER NOW too?

And I had no idea the Queen, or royal family for that matter, had any official power over anything. I always thought they were just dinosaurs from romantic ages long past that the people of England still simply tolerated.

Hah ! An uproar, whatever happens, is guaranteed these days !

The 'Remain in the EU' side is knowing some pretty 'desperate' times, now. If they're going to win through, they have to pull out all the stops to manage it. If not now ... then, when ?? So they'll do what it takes, attack anybody they must (even the Queen !) to get their way.

Notably, though, once the Queen HAD given her consent for Boris's pro-roguing ... some strident voices became quieter. The Speaker of the House of Commons called Boris's move a 'constitutional outrage', before the Queen backed Boris, but he's suddenly gone quiet. Interesting, that.

The Queen is nearly powerless. She is constrained to be, publicly, politically neutral. She can't initiate political moves. That said, she still is a 'rubber-stamping' mechanism when it comes to the appointment of new PM's, or new Governments, so you'll always have a PM-elected or PM-'hopeful' having to visit Buckingham Palace for her to give official approval. Should she see a request or political move involving her as lacking procedural merit, she can argue that point, and refuse to rubber-stamp (in theory ... it doesn't get tested !) However, this time, she effectively defeated calls of 'unconstitutional' by approving the pro-roguing request, in these unusual circumstances.

Remember, officially, it's still HER MAJESTY'S GOVERNMENT. Any UK Government, governs in HER name. She is still the Head of any Government we have ... we're still a monarchy !

That said, she must remain politically neutral in terms of airing opinion, or using what's remaining of her power to favour one political ideology over another.

[Drummond]

Just seen this ....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...DVLIN8bh_wKDpY

A LABOUR MP threatened the Queen on Twitter by claiming the monarchy should be abolished after she approved Boris Johnson’s request to prorogue Parliament.

Kate Osamor took to social media to share her anger at the decision, which Her Majesty was constitutionally required to do. She tweeted: “The Queen should look at what happened to her cousin Tino ex King of Greece when you enable a right wing coup! Monarchy abolished!”

The Edmonton MP caused backlash last year when she used House of Commons headed notepaper to ask a judge not to jail her son for drug dealing.

Nice .. eh ?

[Noir]

The Queen was never going to block the request. The fact that the request was made at all however is concerning.
As much as Drummond will applaud it, because the end result will be what he wants, Boris has committed to a path of gross misuse of power, for which our other branches of government have no ability to hold him to account for.

[STTAB]

The Queen was never going to block the request. The fact that the request was made at all however is concerning.
As much as Drummond will applaud it, because the end result will be what he wants, Boris has committed to a path of gross misuse of power, for which our other branches of government have no ability to hold him to account for.

What sort of bizzaro world are we living in when a politician who is actually trying to do the will of the people is accused of abusing their power? That has stood true for Trump for 3 years now and is apparently now true of Boris Johnson as well. "Oh you give a shit about what the people want? That's ab abuse of power"

[Noir]

What sort of bizzaro world are we living in when a politician who is actually trying to do the will of the people is accused of abusing their power? That has stood true for Trump for 3 years now and is apparently now true of Boris Johnson as well. "Oh you give a shit about what the people want? That's ab abuse of power"

The executive is using its power designed to break up parliament for an election, not because an election is being called, but because they don’t want the legislature to be able to sit/debate/vote for a few weeks, is an abuse of power, regardless of the reason.

It is especially egregious given only last month a number of high profile conservatives (including Boris) were dismissing the idea that anyone would even consider doing this.

[STTAB]

The executive is using its power designed to break up parliament for an election, not because an election is being called, but because they don’t want the legislature to be able to sit/debate/vote for a few weeks, is an abuse of power, regardless of the reason.

It is especially egregious given only last month a number of high profile conservatives (including Boris) were dismissing the idea that anyone would even consider doing this.

Seems to me that things were done in the legal manner , and so that isn't an abuse of power. It may be a dick move, but not all dick moves are abuses of power.

[Kathianne]

@Drummond @Noir

Came across this, dated 8/29

https://order-order.com/2019/08/29/t...-polling-lead/

[Noir]

Seems to me that things were done in the legal manner , and so that isn't an abuse of power. It may be a dick move, but not all dick moves are abuses of power.

Again - the government ministers involved in this were all saying last month that they would not even consider dissolving Parliament because it is undemocratic, unconstitutional, and so on. Of course now they’re busy deleting those tweets.

Also Gove is on the record today as saying that dissolving Parliament is “certainly not” about stopping Parliament stopping Brexit

[Drummond]

The Queen was never going to block the request. The fact that the request was made at all however is concerning.
As much as Drummond will applaud it, because the end result will be what he wants, Boris has committed to a path of gross misuse of power, for which our other branches of government have no ability to hold him to account for.

Who else but a Leftie would consider that a politician doing all he can to heed, respect, implement, the democratic Will of the People, can deserve censure for it !!!!

All that's now happening has come about, Noir, as a result of wreckers who are determined to derail that Will of the People, any way they can, and have already reduced Parliament itself to paralysed dysfunctionality in that effort ... where, to date, nothing on Brexit is getting through !!

Why WOULDN'T Boris put a stop to all the sabotage ?? If Parliament carried on, not curbed, not following a decent and reputable path ... then, the wreckers would continue on, compounding the current mess, and in the hope of destroying the hopes and wishes of 17.4 million of the electorate. WHY permit it all, when the vandalism can be countered with something remedially sensible (no matter how drastic) ?

Or does Parliament, in Leftie eyes, exist to DEFY democratic accountability ... whenever convenient ??

[Drummond]

The executive is using its power designed to break up parliament for an election, not because an election is being called, but because they don’t want the legislature to be able to sit/debate/vote for a few weeks, is an abuse of power, regardless of the reason.

It is especially egregious given only last month a number of high profile conservatives (including Boris) were dismissing the idea that anyone would even consider doing this.

MP's trying their very hardest (with not a sign of conscience showing, when doing so) to derail a Brexit process VOTED FOR BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC, is the very worst use of their power, Noir.

The Labour Party campaigned in the 2017 election as a pro-Brexit Party. Now, they're the reverse of that. Nobody voted for any of them on the understanding that they'd ever renege on their election promise, but they're doing it now, big time !!

Had Boris not undertaken his proroguing strategy, Noir, Labour's wholly non-representative vandalism would've continued at full pelt. So, Noir, quit YOUR lecturing about so-called 'abuse of power', from BORIS !!!

[Noir]

Who else but a Leftie would consider that a politician doing all he can to heed, respect, implement, the democratic Will of the People, can deserve censure for it !!!!

All that's now happening has come about, Noir, as a result of wreckers who are determined to derail that Will of the People, any way they can, and have already reduced Parliament itself to paralysed dysfunctionality in that effort ... where, to date, nothing on Brexit is getting through !!

Why WOULDN'T Boris put a stop to all the sabotage ?? If Parliament carried on, not curbed, not following a decent and reputable path ... then, the wreckers would continue on, compounding the current mess, and in the hope of destroying the hopes and wishes of 17.4 million of the electorate. WHY permit it all, when the vandalism can be countered with something remedially sensible (no matter how drastic) ?

Or does Parliament, in Leftie eyes, exist to DEFY democratic accountability ... whenever convenient ??

MP's trying their very hardest (with not a sign of conscience showing, when doing so) to derail a Brexit process VOTED FOR BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC, is the very worst use of their power, Noir.

The Labour Party campaigned in the 2017 election as a pro-Brexit Party. Now, they're the reverse of that. Nobody voted for any of them on the understanding that they'd ever renege on their election promise, but they're doing it now, big time !!

Had Boris not undertaken his proroguing strategy, Noir, Labour's wholly non-representative vandalism would've continued at full pelt. So, Noir, quit YOUR lecturing about so-called 'abuse of power', from BORIS !!!

I hope you’re not suggesting that dissolving Parliament has anything to do with Brexit?! Gove made very clear today in his statement that is “certainly not” the case.