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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    Why do private companies step in and spend hours discussing the weather now?

    See, everyone is small government until you bring up doing away with a government agency or program that they like

    Pray tell where in the COTUS is the federal government taxed with providing weather alerts to anyone?
    Where are the private companies doing what you say with weather? It's not the news weather forecasters you originally said.

    I'm for small government, doing what private can't or is not incentivized to doing. Weather forecasting is one of those. It seems odd for a farmer not to care. Those living on the coasts, those whose living depends upon the seas, etc. care quite a bit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Where are the private companies doing what you say with weather? It's not the news weather forecasters you originally said.

    I'm for small government, doing what private can't or is not incentivized to doing. Weather forecasting is one of those. It seems odd for a farmer not to care. Those living on the coasts, those whose living depends upon the seas, etc. care quite a bit.

    I will say it again, it is not the federal government's job to do what private companies won't do. That's liberal talk. For example, private companies will not provide poor people health insurance with no cost to them, so the liberals believe the federal government should.

    Private companies do what they have an incentive to do,and if the Weather Service were shut down, Fox News and or CNN or whomever would have a pretty big incentive to start forecasting the weather. Hell private companies have actually been collecting data on THEIR satelies and selling it to NOAA for about 3 years now.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016...her-satellites

    I imagine you didn't know that.

    But anyway, it's not that big a step from launching your own satellites and collecting the data to sell to the government and just hiring your own weather forecasters to analyze the data in house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    I will say it again, it is not the federal government's job to do what private companies won't do. That's liberal talk. For example, private companies will not provide poor people health insurance with no cost to them, so the liberals believe the federal government should.

    Private companies do what they have an incentive to do,and if the Weather Service were shut down, Fox News and or CNN or whomever would have a pretty big incentive to start forecasting the weather. Hell private companies have actually been collecting data on THEIR satelies and selling it to NOAA for about 3 years now.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016...her-satellites

    I imagine you didn't know that.

    But anyway, it's not that big a step from launching your own satellites and collecting the data to sell to the government and just hiring your own weather forecasters to analyze the data in house.
    Actually it seems to me that the #1 business of government is to protect the lives of its citizens, but that's the liberal me I guess.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Actually it seems to me that the #1 business of government is to protect the lives of its citizens, but that's the liberal me I guess.

    I mean that was a Pete sized ignoring of what I posted so...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    I mean that was a Pete sized ignoring of what I posted so...........
    Not going along with where you wish to lead, is not liberal. It's not stupid. It's not aggressive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    Actually, a question I would ask is why do we even have this agency? It's unnecessary, and should be shut down in it's entirety. Let CNN , FoxNews, and the like forecast the weather.
    Maybe you should Google NWS and see all of it's functions.

    To name a few:

    National Weather Service;
    National Fisheries Conservation;
    Marine Mammals protection;
    Partner with USGS (US Geolological Survey)for the Earthquake and Tsunami Warning Centers;
    Partner with the USGS again for volcano observation;
    Partner with the EPA and USCG for pollution response;
    Partner with the USCG to assist in Search and Rescue Planning;
    Partner with FEMA and various state and local Offices of Emergency Services;
    Provide Tide Tables for use by the public and responding agencies for all States along the coasts;
    Provide Great Lakes weather conditions for those states;
    Provide tornado, blizzard, flooding, and severe weather reports to all states.

    That is just a short list that comes to mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Actually it seems to me that the #1 business of government is to protect the lives of its citizens, but that's the liberal me I guess.
    Government is not a business. If Repubs, and Democrats would follow that premise...They would support the President in Securing Our Borders, and actually doing the Work they were elected to do instead of playing Nadler games of Yes we are Impeaching everybody who doesn't agree with them, or who took HILLARY'S chance away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icansayit View Post
    Government is not a business. If Repubs, and Democrats would follow that premise...They would support the President in Securing Our Borders, and actually doing the Work they were elected to do instead of playing Nadler games of Yes we are Impeaching everybody who doesn't agree with them, or who took HILLARY'S chance away.
    So you disagree that the #1 business, responsibility is to protect the citizens? Ok then.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    Maybe you should Google NWS and see all of it's functions.

    To name a few:

    National Weather Service;
    National Fisheries Conservation;
    Marine Mammals protection;
    Partner with USGS (US Geolological Survey)for the Earthquake and Tsunami Warning Centers;
    Partner with the USGS again for volcano observation;
    Partner with the EPA and USCG for pollution response;
    Partner with the USCG to assist in Search and Rescue Planning;
    Partner with FEMA and various state and local Offices of Emergency Services;
    Provide Tide Tables for use by the public and responding agencies for all States along the coasts;
    Provide Great Lakes weather conditions for those states;
    Provide tornado, blizzard, flooding, and severe weather reports to all states.

    That is just a short list that comes to mind

    Obviously most of those have to do with government involved uses. To my mind, it seems to me that even with all the advanced technologies, when it comes to military, meteorologists are still of import.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    So you disagree that the #1 business, responsibility is to protect the citizens? Ok then.


    Before you drew a line through the word.. The U.S.Government is Not a Business. That was what I said. Did not say anything else. So, what would you have me disagree with now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by icansayit View Post
    Before you drew a line through the word.. The U.S.Government is Not a Business. That was what I said. Did not say anything else. So, what would you have me disagree with now?
    Do you read the posts or just troll? You disagreed with a 'word,' I struck the word in favor of what you said, and you still want to quibble?

    Ok then.

    There may be reasons that people so often choose not to respond to you. Lesson learned.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    Maybe you should Google NWS and see all of it's functions.

    To name a few:

    National Weather Service;
    National Fisheries Conservation;
    Marine Mammals protection;
    Partner with USGS (US Geolological Survey)for the Earthquake and Tsunami Warning Centers;
    Partner with the USGS again for volcano observation;
    Partner with the EPA and USCG for pollution response;
    Partner with the USCG to assist in Search and Rescue Planning;
    Partner with FEMA and various state and local Offices of Emergency Services;
    Provide Tide Tables for use by the public and responding agencies for all States along the coasts;
    Provide Great Lakes weather conditions for those states;
    Provide tornado, blizzard, flooding, and severe weather reports to all states.

    That is just a short list that comes to mind
    Let me add:

    Tidal reading stations at coastal harbors and river entrances...water temperatures as well;
    Sensors on rivers to gauge flow and river height...same sensors report water temperatures as well;
    NOAA Weather buoys anchored off the coasts of USA, Territories, and Canada;
    DART Buoys anchored all along the coast to gauge probable tsunami wave generation;
    Satellite images of the oceans to help predict storm or bad weather arrivals.

    What private entity can do all of that?
    All of those others depend on NWS/NOAA to transmit the data, whether it be
    Weather Channel, Weather Underground, or major media networks. Add newspapers as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    Let me add:

    Tidal reading stations at coastal harbors and river entrances...water temperatures as well;
    Sensors on rivers to gauge flow and river height...same sensors report water temperatures as well;
    NOAA Weather buoys anchored off the coasts of USA, Territories, and Canada;
    DART Buoys anchored all along the coast to gauge probable tsunami wave generation;
    Satellite images of the oceans to help predict storm or bad weather arrivals.

    What private entity can do all of that?
    All of those others depend on NWS/NOAA to transmit the data, whether it be
    Weather Channel, Weather Underground, or major media networks. Add newspapers as well.
    and where is the $$$ to be made by private industries?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Do you read the posts or just troll? You disagreed with a 'word,' I struck the word in favor of what you said, and you still want to quibble?

    Ok then.

    There may be reasons that people so often choose not to respond to you. Lesson learned.

    Seems like you are the only one, having trouble with my remarks. Lesson learned. You bet. BYE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    and where is the $$$ to be made by private industries?
    Non-existent. NOAA/NWS does not charge for the services provided.

    Add to my lists, International Ice Patrol to plot icebergs coming
    down from the Arctic. USCG, Canada, and Denmark benefit from the tracking
    provided, mostly recorded by USCG and Canadian Aircraft.
    I have lost my mind. If found, please give it a snack and return it?

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