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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I'll start with something that might be interesting: Was watching the little one earlier so I peeked at this on my phone. I read the entire OP thinking kathianne had posted it. The WTF? meter was off the chart, to say the least

    BUT ... it completely threw my perception therefore perspective off enough to actually read the OP seriously .... I didn't catch that it was some fly-by until I logged in on my PC.

    We DO overplay our role in the History of the World since 1776. We overplay our role even in THAT. The Cold War just exacerbated the situation. That being said, while Ivan the Terrible up there was fighting NAZI Germany, the US was supplying Europe, the ME, fighting Germany, AND had a war "on the side" with Japan.

    All I can say to THAT is "Russia WHO?" A country incapable of technology due to purges of anything intelligent, that can base all its technology on who they stole it from. Had a lot of bodies though. Probably saved us the trouble of killing more Germans.
    Russia suffered terrible losses, both its soldiers and its civilians-- Leningrad and Stalingrad both prove that point- yet one must remember at the war's start they were allied in a pact with Hitler. And while we were fighting both Germany and Japan-- they only fought Germany and did so on their home turf.
    While we had to ship everything overseas, they had it there at hand and we gave them supplies as well.
    We even launched an attack(to draw away German forces) primarily to give their much beleaguered and grievously battered forces some much needed respite!
    However, I will not trivialize their immense contributions, nor their fighting strength once they got better organized and equipped.
    After all, they did destroy three German armies on their soil and invaded Germany with us and our allies to end Hitler's murderous reign.
    The post that attempts to state they overshadow our effort is badly, sadly and magnificently misinformed- IMHO.
    I have studied a great many empires , wars , generals, battles - and WW2 comes in second in my studies only to our own Civil war and barely above my study of Caesar's campaigns, Alexander the Great and his conquering most of the ancient world,
    And Hannibal's brutal 15 year long savaging of the great Roman Empire -even during its mightiest period.
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