CNN: Country is Divided Because Republicans Moved To the Far Right

[jimnyc]

First off, neither side is fully innocent and both sides, politicians and supporters, are guilty of the craziness and hatred going around in the past few years.

Trump is no happy prize spreading cheer and love daily. But IMO, it's the Dems that generally start with things, the lack of tolerance, the name calling, both of Trump and all his supporters. Over and over and over we have heard all kinds of terms to label those of us that support Trump. Racist, Xenophobic, Deplorables... I don't need to list the endless stuff again I hope.

A lot of stuff is in response to such things. And then the dominoes start going down. And that makes both somewhat guilty at that point.

I have no seen republicans overall move far to the right. Not even in the same realm as how far the democrats have moved left.

The media is negative and anti-Trump over 90% of the time. The Dems even stated they would obstruct. The whole entitlement and fixing primary for the anointed one. Russia. And everything else involved. And this one and more blame it all on the right? Takes 2 to tango, but one can be a LOT more responsible for bringing forth that negativity, while others are responsive to that negativity.

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CNN: Country is Divided Because Republicans Moved To the Far Right

If you thought a party that embraces socialism, has a religious devotion to environmentalism, believes in open borders and celebrates abortions to the point of birth was pretty radical, why, you’re just imagining things, according to CNN. CNN’s John Avlon explained to his audience on Tuesday’s New Day, that it isn’t Democrats who have become too extreme, it’s Republicans.

During his “reality check” segment, the CNN political analyst took on the topic of America’s polarization in a special series he’s calling, “The Fractured States of America.” After going into a brief history lesson, he pointed out the majority of the country was united in the 1940s, '50s, and early ‘60s in big issues such as the wars we were involved in. Avlon praised government’s ability to “get things done” in those days, despite there being more “ideological diversity” in the two parties than there is today. What changed? Apparently Republicans did, with the rise of the Tea Party:

There's less and less political incentive to vote across party lines while partisan media demonized even modest political differences. Take a look at this Tea Party class, that led the backlash of President Obama, the center totally hollowed out. We also have asymmetric polarization. Republicans have moved further right than Democrats moved left, and that tea party congress was determined to be the most polarized ever going all the way back to reconstruction. Things have only gotten more polarized under President Trump, the second Republican in 16 years to win the White House despite losing the popular vote, something that didn't happen once in the 20th century.

He goes on to tie America’s distrust of the media and the deep state, as a result of this shift to the far right, while throwing in some griping about the right not wanting to compromise on guns, and not believing in “science” ie: climate change:

We’ve seen increasingly bitter personal divides, accompanied by a decline in trust in the government, the media and each other. We see our polarized congress unable to summon the will to address common problems, rooted in science like the climate crisis while ignoring obvious bipartisan compromises on immigration or infrastructure -- failing to take action even when super majorities support things like expanding background checks with rising gun violence. Now we see a country facing its third impeachment inquiry since this period of polarization began after only one other in our whole history before.

Rest - https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...-too-far-right

[STTAB]

First off, neither side is fully innocent and both sides, politicians and supporters, are guilty of the craziness and hatred going around in the past few years.

Trump is no happy prize spreading cheer and love daily. But IMO, it's the Dems that generally start with things, the lack of tolerance, the name calling, both of Trump and all his supporters. Over and over and over we have heard all kinds of terms to label those of us that support Trump. Racist, Xenophobic, Deplorables... I don't need to list the endless stuff again I hope.

A lot of stuff is in response to such things. And then the dominoes start going down. And that makes both somewhat guilty at that point.

I have no seen republicans overall move far to the right. Not even in the same realm as how far the democrats have moved left.

The media is negative and anti-Trump over 90% of the time. The Dems even stated they would obstruct. The whole entitlement and fixing primary for the anointed one. Russia. And everything else involved. And this one and more blame it all on the right? Takes 2 to tango, but one can be a LOT more responsible for bringing forth that negativity, while others are responsive to that negativity.

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CNN: Country is Divided Because Republicans Moved To the Far Right

If you thought a party that embraces socialism, has a religious devotion to environmentalism, believes in open borders and celebrates abortions to the point of birth was pretty radical, why, you’re just imagining things, according to CNN. CNN’s John Avlon explained to his audience on Tuesday’s New Day, that it isn’t Democrats who have become too extreme, it’s Republicans.

During his “reality check” segment, the CNN political analyst took on the topic of America’s polarization in a special series he’s calling, “The Fractured States of America.” After going into a brief history lesson, he pointed out the majority of the country was united in the 1940s, '50s, and early ‘60s in big issues such as the wars we were involved in. Avlon praised government’s ability to “get things done” in those days, despite there being more “ideological diversity” in the two parties than there is today. What changed? Apparently Republicans did, with the rise of the Tea Party:



He goes on to tie America’s distrust of the media and the deep state, as a result of this shift to the far right, while throwing in some griping about the right not wanting to compromise on guns, and not believing in “science” ie: climate change:



Rest - https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...-too-far-right

LULZ what a fucking joke, if anything the far right has moved left, and the far left has fallen off a cliff and dragged the middle right so far left that they can tell you what Venezuela had for dinner.

I mean seriously when is the last time you heard a mainstream Republican take a hard right stance on issues like abortion, gay marriage, hell even on an issue like illegal immigration most conservatives have conceded that the 20M illegals already here aren't going anywhere.

Meanwhile Elizabeth Warren can't pander to the far left fast enough to become the nominee, hell even the moderate Democrat Joe Biden is out screaming about open borders and free medicare abortions for all.

[del]

Barry Goldwater would be considered a leftist by today's Cons.

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[STTAB]

Barry Goldwater would be considered a leftist by today's Cons.

/thread

Obama is considered a moderate by today's liberals

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[Gunny]

LULZ what a fucking joke, if anything the far right has moved left, and the far left has fallen off a cliff and dragged the middle right so far left that they can tell you what Venezuela had for dinner.

I mean seriously when is the last time you heard a mainstream Republican take a hard right stance on issues like abortion, gay marriage, hell even on an issue like illegal immigration most conservatives have conceded that the 20M illegals already here aren't going anywhere.

Meanwhile Elizabeth Warren can't pander to the far left fast enough to become the nominee, hell even the moderate Democrat Joe Biden is out screaming about open borders and free medicare abortions for all.

Democracies do not move to teh right. They move left until they destroy themselves.

Some wishful thinking folks lying to the stupid and ignorant need a history class or two.

[STTAB]

Democracies do not move to teh right. They move left until they destroy themselves.

Some wishful thinking folks lying to the stupid and ignorant need a history class or two.

I'm hopeful that our democracy can move right and self correct.

I may be deluded in thinking there is any hope.

[Gunny]

Barry Goldwater would be considered a leftist by today's Cons.

/thread

Hardly. Think you might have overstepped a tad on that one.

[Drummond]

I'm hopeful that our democracy can move right and self correct.

I may be deluded in thinking there is any hope.

The Democratic Party (as is true of Leftist Parties everywhere, to whatever degree) is a force that exists to drag your country ever further to the Left. Maybe they're doing it by small, creeping degrees (as in, Obama was further to the Left than his predecessors, and Obama's successors will be further to the Left of him) ... but, the process is constant.

There's one hope, be it for your country, or mine: discredit the Left. See to it that they're so reviled that it'll take decades for anyone to trust them again.

[Gunny]

I'm hopeful that our democracy can move right and self correct.

I may be deluded in thinking there is any hope.

Kind of hard to do when the right has adjusted left to try and keep the moderates-that-WERE-Dems until the Dems do another hard left shift and leave them stranded. There is no hard line conservative idealism except we haven't gone as far off the cliff as the progressive left.

IMO, and I believe history bears it out, the only way a country shifts "right" is either by force, or when self-reliant people who can survive without Big Brother pick up the pieces after the left destroys everything including itself. They've already reached the point of fascism. Not much left but for them to get back into political power where they can "legally" use force to disenfranchise anyone not in lockstep with their crap.

[STTAB]

Kind of hard to do when the right has adjusted left to try and keep the moderates-that-WERE-Dems until the Dems do another hard left shift and leave them stranded. There is no hard line conservative idealism except we haven't gone as far off the cliff as the progressive left.

IMO, and I believe history bears it out, the only way a country shifts "right" is either by force, or when self-reliant people who can survive without Big Brother pick up the pieces after the left destroys everything including itself. They've already reached the point of fascism. Not much left but for them to get back into political power where they can "legally" use force to disenfranchise anyone not in lockstep with their crap.

On the other hand , I look at things like girls my daughter's age (she's 14) who look around are like "wait a minute, I have to play sports with boys who say they are girls , get my ass kicked and then get in the shower with them after too?"

Or the black people who are FINALLY waking up to the fact that Democrats are not their friends.

Things like that give me hope. Not much, but some.

[Gunny]

On the other hand , I look at things like girls my daughter's age (she's 14) who look around are like "wait a minute, I have to play sports with boys who say they are girls , get my ass kicked and then get in the shower with them after too?"

Or the black people who are FINALLY waking up to the fact that Democrats are not their friends.

Things like that give me hope. Not much, but some.

I agree with that but the right is infamous for not saying or doing anything about it. ALL of this PC, gender-bending crap and/or anything else foisted on us by the left and media is just stupid, and it's tyranny of the minority. None of these needy little crybaby groups amount to crap by themselves. They don;t make up 20% of the population and I doubt much more of the Dem party.

IMO, Dems who are the normal people you see every day are as scared of being singled out by their own as the right is afraid of being singled out. They're as silent as we are. There's nothing anyone can do right except go with the shrill, assclown flow of the agenda as set forth by the MSM and squeaky wheel, fringe fruit loops on the left or just get hammered mercilessly by them. Lose your job. Get data mined and have all your personal life -- real or imagined because they WILL fill in the blanks if need be where they don't have an answer -- under a microscope on the internet and/or social media.

Boy's up. Got to go.

[STTAB]

I agree with that but the right is infamous for not saying or doing anything about it. ALL of this PC, gender-bending crap and/or anything else foisted on us by the left and media is just stupid, and it's tyranny of the minority. None of these needy little crybaby groups amount to crap by themselves. They don;t make up 20% of the population and I doubt much more of the Dem party.

IMO, Dems who are the normal people you see every day are as scared of being singled out by their own as the right is afraid of being singled out. They're as silent as we are. There's nothing anyone can do right except go with the shrill, assclown flow of the agenda as set forth by the MSM and squeaky wheel, fringe fruit loops on the left or just get hammered mercilessly by them. Lose your job. Get data mined and have all your personal life -- real or imagined because they WILL fill in the blanks if need be where they don't have an answer -- under a microscope on the internet and/or social media.

Boy's up. Got to go.

Yup, and I think what it's going to take is for people who are mostly on the left to stand up and say "look I'm a liberal, but damn some of this shit is just crazy"


Right now we're not there, like I said in another thread, why is that Donald Trump came out and said that calling Tulsi Gabbard a Russian agent is ridiculous, but she has never publicly said the same about him, when you damn well know she doesn't think Trump colluded with the fucking Russians? Hell, she'll take on Democrats when they are wrong, but only to a point. Someone from within is going to have to take them on from the inside"