Coronavirus

[Kathianne]

Not so happy reading-a long slough is right!

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpun...al-distancing/

Birx: 100-200,000 Dead Is The Best-Case Scenario, If We Do Almost Perfect Social Distancing
ALLAHPUNDITPosted at 1:31 pm on March 30, 2020

[High_Plains_Drifter]

It's not like that here. I haven't been to Phoenix since Spring, for some shopping and entertainment. It's there when I want it, but not going to live there. Never lived in Chicago or Cook County, but I still loved the city offerings.

Yeah I lived on the far outskirts of Phoenix too, first Apache Junction and then Deer Valley to go to school. I stayed away from Phoenix at all cost. I had enough problem with the stop lights every block that seemed to last FOREVER!

[Abbey Marie]

Kind of adds a different meaning to Glen Campbell’s lyrics, “By the time I get to Phoenix...”.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

So... just got back from making the rounds downtown. Stopped at our little minimart to get some beer and told the very appreciative clerk to keep the change, $5 and something... she's kinda hot anyway so...

Anyway, I'd say there's still plenty of traffic moving about, but there was people in the hardware store, and the grocery looked pretty deserted, although the shelves were all stocked.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Evidently the chinese have learned NOTHING... this is just beyond the pale...

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BACK IN BUSINESS: Chinese wet markets that unleashed coronavirus on globe have reopened — and they're still selling bats

'The markets have gone back to operating in exactly the same way as they did before coronavirus'

As the coronavirus pandemic ravages the world, China has reportedly reopened its infamous wet markets.

Wet markets are distinguished from dry markets by the selling of fresh meat, produce, and other perishable items. However, China's wet markets are notorious because exotic animals are often sold in unsanitary conditions.

In fact, the COVID-19 outbreak has been traced back to a Wuhan wet market. Horseshoe bats and exotic mammals, such as civets and pangolins, which act as hosts to the dangerous viruses that bats carry, are often sold at these markets and consumed by local Chinese people.

But that hasn't convinced China to permanently shut down the markets.

According to the Daily Mail, wet markets have reopened across China after China's communist government publicly declared victory over COVID-19.

At one market in Guilin, a southern Chinese city, a Daily Mail correspondent watched as cats and dogs were waiting to be sold for their meat.

At another market in Dongguan, a second Daily Mail correspondent photographed signs advertising the sale of bats, scorpions, snakes, lizards, and other exotic wild animals.

"Everyone here believes the outbreak is over and there's nothing to worry about any more. It's just a foreign problem now as far as they are concerned," one of the correspondents said.

The Dongguan correspondent reported that the markets are operating just as they were before the COVID-19 outbreak — except now security is stopping people from taking pictures.

"The markets have gone back to operating in exactly the same way as they did before coronavirus," the Dongguan correspondent said. "The only difference is that security guards try to stop anyone taking pictures which would never have happened before."

The Associated Press reported in February:

SARS and the current outbreak of COVID-19 are not the only diseases in people traced back to animals. The killing and sale of what is known as bushmeat in Africa is thought to be a source for Ebola. Bird flu likely came from chickens at a market in Hong Kong in 1997. Measles is believed to have evolved from a virus that infected cattle.

Scientists have not yet determined exactly how the new coronavirus first infected people. Evidence suggests it originated in bats, which infected another animal that spread it to people at a market in the southeastern city of Wuhan. The now-shuttered Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market advertised dozens of species such as giant salamanders, baby crocodiles and raccoon dogs that were often referred to as wildlife, even when they were farmed.

Chinese President Xi Jinping vowed in February to "resolutely outlaw and harshly crack down" on the illegal exotic wildlife trade in China — just as China did in the wake of the SARS outbreak nearly two decades ago — but it appears the promise was hallow.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/back-i...mU1XsBvomiMORc

[Drummond]

Uh-oooh... @Drummond ... looks like the UK is setting up a snitches hotline...

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Corona Snitches: Police Create Web Portal to Inform on Neighbours

A local police force in the United Kingdom has established an online portal for members of the public to inform on people suspected of breaking national lockdown measures.

Humberside Police in northern England has built a website for citizens to inform on their neighbours for violating the government’s rules on daily exercise and social distancing.

The website was crafted after the police force was inundated with reports of alleged violations to their non-emergency phone line, according to ITV.

“Reports will be assessed based on the information provided and we would ask people to please consider the circumstance before making their report,” said Chris Philpott of the Humberside Police.

“However it may be some of the reports are referred on to our partner agencies, our Local Authorities [councils] for example, who could take further action to stop gatherings in certain places,” he added.

Under the lockdown measures implemented by Prime Minister Boris Johnson, citizens permitted to leave home for their daily exercise only once per day, and public gatherings of more than two people, with the exception of families who live in the same household, have been banned.

Those who break the social distancing rules face an initial fine of £60 and £120 for a second offence.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/202...ZivtxTVB34RENc

First and foremost: 'the UK' hasn't set up a snitches hotline. This is not Government run, at all. This initiative has come from one police force in Humberside, and applies specifically to Humberside Police's local jurisdiction.

More generally .... under normal conditions, cries of 'Police State' might be appropriate. But these are not, by any stretch of the imagination, normal times. Indeed, today's situation over Covid-19 could amount to the justification of a 'war footing' psychology. Normal laws and liberties can't fit.

Lockdown rules need to be kept to. Failure to, can needlessly and avoidably, KILL.

Here's a story which may have (& probably did) precipitated Humberside Police's draconian approach:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...sures-11965352

Coronavirus: Police break up 'massive' karaoke party during UK lockdown

Derbyshire officers said they were in "absolute shock" when they attended the address on Saturday night.

The British public have been under an unprecedented lockdown for nearly a week, with people told to stay inside and avoid gatherings to help prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

But the government measures weren't enough to stop 25 adults and children gathering for a "massive" karaoke party on Saturday night.

Derbyshire Police said they were in "absolute shock" when they visited the address, before dispersing those in attendance and speaking with the organisers.

Group 1 Officers have just attended an address in absolute shock to find 25 adults and children having a massive party with speakers and karaoke. Everyone dispersed and hosts dealt with.

It is clear people are still having complete disregard for the Government advice and rules.

The force said on Twitter: "Officers have just attended an address in absolute shock to find 25 adults and children having a massive party with speakers and karaoke.

"Everyone dispersed and hosts dealt with.

"It is clear people are still having complete disregard for the government advice and rules."

The party came on the first weekend of the nationwide lockdown in response to the outbreak of COVID-19, where the British people have been told to stay at home for at least three weeks except for "very limited purposes".

Derbyshire isn't Humberside. But I think that Humberside were likewise shocked at the sheer irresponsibility of those revellers, and felt they had to apply a counterweight to their own community, maybe to pre-empt its equivalent happening in their own territory.

Had those revellers never been dealt with, had the participants never been identified, how many ordinary, innocent people would've suffered possibly fatal illness from ongoing infections ?

Had Humberside not acted, again, how many lives might have been needlessly put at risk ?

These are not normal times. REALISM requires a proportional and appropriate response to a lethal threat to any community.

Note -- our Government has indicated that it may feel it necessary to add to the existing lockdown rules, to tighten them. It may well be that the Derbyshire incident has forced our Government into wondering if it hasn't been quite tough enough.

[Drummond]

Evidently the chinese have learned NOTHING... this is just beyond the pale...

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BACK IN BUSINESS: Chinese wet markets that unleashed coronavirus on globe have reopened — and they're still selling bats

'The markets have gone back to operating in exactly the same way as they did before coronavirus'

As the coronavirus pandemic ravages the world, China has reportedly reopened its infamous wet markets.

Wet markets are distinguished from dry markets by the selling of fresh meat, produce, and other perishable items. However, China's wet markets are notorious because exotic animals are often sold in unsanitary conditions.

In fact, the COVID-19 outbreak has been traced back to a Wuhan wet market. Horseshoe bats and exotic mammals, such as civets and pangolins, which act as hosts to the dangerous viruses that bats carry, are often sold at these markets and consumed by local Chinese people.

But that hasn't convinced China to permanently shut down the markets.

According to the Daily Mail, wet markets have reopened across China after China's communist government publicly declared victory over COVID-19.

At one market in Guilin, a southern Chinese city, a Daily Mail correspondent watched as cats and dogs were waiting to be sold for their meat.

At another market in Dongguan, a second Daily Mail correspondent photographed signs advertising the sale of bats, scorpions, snakes, lizards, and other exotic wild animals.

"Everyone here believes the outbreak is over and there's nothing to worry about any more. It's just a foreign problem now as far as they are concerned," one of the correspondents said.

The Dongguan correspondent reported that the markets are operating just as they were before the COVID-19 outbreak — except now security is stopping people from taking pictures.

"The markets have gone back to operating in exactly the same way as they did before coronavirus," the Dongguan correspondent said. "The only difference is that security guards try to stop anyone taking pictures which would never have happened before."

The Associated Press reported in February:

SARS and the current outbreak of COVID-19 are not the only diseases in people traced back to animals. The killing and sale of what is known as bushmeat in Africa is thought to be a source for Ebola. Bird flu likely came from chickens at a market in Hong Kong in 1997. Measles is believed to have evolved from a virus that infected cattle.

Scientists have not yet determined exactly how the new coronavirus first infected people. Evidence suggests it originated in bats, which infected another animal that spread it to people at a market in the southeastern city of Wuhan. The now-shuttered Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market advertised dozens of species such as giant salamanders, baby crocodiles and raccoon dogs that were often referred to as wildlife, even when they were farmed.

Chinese President Xi Jinping vowed in February to "resolutely outlaw and harshly crack down" on the illegal exotic wildlife trade in China — just as China did in the wake of the SARS outbreak nearly two decades ago — but it appears the promise was hallow.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/back-i...mU1XsBvomiMORc

This is disgusting. Also outrageously arrogant.

SARS was thought to have come from a market not unlike the one responsible for the Covid-19 outbreak. With such a careless attitude in place, it's probably only a matter of time before the Chinese Authority's irresponsibility, its refusal to act toughly to fix this problem, causes another pandemic.

What if the next Coronavirus has the killing capability of bubonic plague, or, in time, mutates to become that lethal ??

There are times when, realistically speaking, only the toughest and most uncompromising of actions will be good enough.

[Kathianne]

First and foremost: 'the UK' hasn't set up a snitches hotline. This is not Government run, at all. This initiative has come from one police force in Humberside, and applies specifically to Humberside Police's local jurisdiction.

More generally .... under normal conditions, cries of 'Police State' might be appropriate. But these are not, by any stretch of the imagination, normal times. Indeed, today's situation over Covid-19 could amount to the justification of a 'war footing' psychology. Normal laws and liberties can't fit.

Lockdown rules need to be kept to. Failure to, can needlessly and avoidably, KILL.

Here's a story which may have (& probably did) precipitated Humberside Police's draconian approach:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...sures-11965352



Derbyshire isn't Humberside. But I think that Humberside were likewise shocked at the sheer irresponsibility of those revellers, and felt they had to apply a counterweight to their own community, maybe to pre-empt its equivalent happening in their own territory.

Had those revellers never been dealt with, had the participants never been identified, how many ordinary, innocent people would've suffered possibly fatal illness from ongoing infections ?

Had Humberside not acted, again, how many lives might have been needlessly put at risk ?

These are not normal times. REALISM requires a proportional and appropriate response to a lethal threat to any community.

Note -- our Government has indicated that it may feel it necessary to add to the existing lockdown rules, to tighten them. It may well be that the Derbyshire incident has forced our Government into wondering if it hasn't been quite tough enough.

They chose poorly at having/attending that party. Here was another, in Washington state, held before the stay in place was established, it doesn't have a good ending:

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...choir-outbreak

A choir decided to go ahead with rehearsal. Now dozens of members have COVID-19 and two are dead

MOUNT VERNON, Wash. — With the coronavirus quickly spreading in Washington state in early March, leaders of the Skagit Valley Chorale debated whether to go ahead with weekly rehearsal.
The virus was already killing people in the Seattle area, about an hour’s drive to the south.


But Skagit County hadn’t reported any cases, schools and businesses remained open, and prohibitions on large gatherings had yet to be announced.


On March 6, Adam Burdick, the choir’s conductor, informed the 121 members in an email that amid the “stress and strain of concerns about the virus,” practice would proceed as scheduled at Mount Vernon Presbyterian Church.

“I’m planning on being there this Tuesday March 10, and hoping many of you will be, too,” he wrote.

Sixty singers showed up. A greeter offered hand sanitizer at the door, and members refrained from the usual hugs and handshakes.


“It seemed like a normal rehearsal, except that choirs are huggy places,” Burdick recalled. “We were making music and trying to keep a certain distance between each other.”

After 2½ hours, the singers parted ways at 9 p.m.


Nearly three weeks later, 45 have been diagnosed with COVID-19 or ill with the symptoms, at least three have been hospitalized, and two are dead.


The outbreak has stunned county health officials, who have concluded that the virus was almost certainly transmitted through the air from one or more people without symptoms.


“That’s all we can think of right now,” said Polly Dubbel, a county communicable disease and environmental health manager.


In interviews with the Los Angeles Times, eight people who were at the rehearsal said that nobody there was coughing or sneezing or appeared ill.

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[Drummond]

They chose poorly at having/attending that party. Here was another, in Washington state, held before the stay in place was established, it doesn't have a good ending:

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...choir-outbreak

Exactly. This says it all. Point - tragically - proven.

No further comment is necessary.

[Kathianne]

Want to talk about fake news? Lies being spread by our MSM in favor of China, out of hatred of Trump? Here you go, what they'll work with:

Here's How China Is Rewriting the History of the Coronavirus Pandemic to Make Itself the Hero
The Chinese government has waged a months-long disinformation campaign to portray itself as the country that defeated the virus, when it attempted to hide it for months.
By David Gilbert
Mar 30 2020

At midnight on Friday, China closed its borders to the rest of the world as it tries to stop a resurgence of the coronavirus.


The move was the culmination of a months-long PR and disinformation campaign waged by the Chinese government to rewrite the history of a pandemic that has spread to almost every corner of the planet, killed more than 34,000 people, and infected almost three-quarters of a million.

China initially ignored the outbreak that first surfaced in Wuhan in early December, silencing doctors who tried to raise the alarm before eventually enacting a draconian and restrictive lockdown that impacted 50 million people.


But the Communist Party of China (CCP) is now seeking to portray itself not as the country that allowed the coronavirus to spread unchecked for weeks but as the country that has defeated the virus and is now on hand to save the rest of the world.


To do this, the Chinese government has employed a unique mixture of tactics including disinformation, soft power, conspiracy theories, and even a book that tells the heroic story of China’s victory over coronavirus — all of which are designed to reframe the narrative around the virus and Beijing’s role in allowing it to get out of control in the first place.


“In the last few weeks, the CCP has stepped up its propaganda efforts to shape the narrative with respect to COVID-19, both within China and internationally,” Adam Ni, director of the Australia-based research organization the China Policy Centre, told VICE News.


“In essence, the party wants to make the best out of a terrible situation and spin the story in favor of the party by deflecting blame, sowing doubts on its culpability, whipping up nationalism, and highlighting the superiority of the Chinese party-state,”


Here’s China’s playbook:

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[High_Plains_Drifter]

Guess I better shut up... and take a break... I'm just stepping on all kinds of toes pissing people off.

[Kathianne]

Guess I better shut up... and take a break... I'm just stepping on all kinds of toes pissing people off.

Oh no! Don't do that! No one can respond to anything that isn't in line with 'Democrats suck!'

If you read above, there was none of that.

[Drummond]

Guess I better shut up... and take a break... I'm just stepping on all kinds of toes pissing people off.

I don't agree ! You're making great contributions. Keep going with them ...

[Drummond]

Want to talk about fake news? Lies being spread by our MSM in favor of China, out of hatred of Trump? Here you go, what they'll work with:

I'm not sure that there's a lot to say that isn't perfectly obvious.

China is ruled by a bunch of authoritarian Lefties. This basically sums it all up.

Being authoritarian, and being Lefties, means that (a) wielding power without restraint borne of decency and humanitarianism being mandated, is a 'given' ... and (b) Lefties never admit error, since to do so is a failure to defend the sacrosanct basis (as they see it) of perceived infallibility.

Admit fallibility, and you admit the correctness of being able to question. Question authority. Question dogma. Authoritarian Lefties can never allow such a thing.

So, China's authoritarian Lefties will see it as absolutely necessary that they come out of all this smelling of roses.

That lies are told, injustice is perpetuated, and a great many die where otherwise they might not have done ... to a Leftie, ALL THIS is subordinate to the reputation and unassailability of Leftieism !!

[Abbey Marie]

Meanwhile, the Governor of Pennsylvania has decided to make elective abortions an exception to his ban on all elective surgical/medical procedures. I read a comment that said someone’s sister was told her kidney transplant was not allowed.

Let that one one sink in.