Coronavirus

[NightTrain]

That's not exactly likely here ... any law or stricture carrying legal weight, surely couldn't be adopted, without first eradicating any law that would stand in its way ? That kind of action would create civil unrest, I'd think ... if anyone dared try it. Unfortunately, our politicians want votes. Any measure such as that would be a vote loser.

Civil unrest - in these, of all times, is the last thing we need (all you'd need was a crowd of protesters capable of breathing heavily ..).

I'm not even sure it'd work. Opponents would accuse anybody attacking anybody else on grounds having as their origin any form of religion, could be accused of doing so to promote their own, as 'superior' in essence to the one targeted .. which would surely defy the 1st Amendment, if we ever instituted it ourselves, since doesn't that Amendment guarantee parity of religions in the eyes of the law ?

With all due respect, if we ever did come up with our own first Amendment (not likely !) ... we'd have to frame it so that it wasn't open to that sort of challenge.

Oh, undoubtedly it would render many anti-free speech laws you have on the books invalid.

Honestly, it's such a natural thing for we Americans to say what we think that it's kind of mind boggling that other 'free' nations don't have that basic right.

I mean, there are limits to our Free Speech, such as yelling 'Fire!' in a theater or threatening the President's life or terrorist threats... but calling out the Mayor of London for being a Muslim bent on killing the very infidels he's supposed to be trying to protect would be perfectly legal.

Yeah, it would be a large undertaking for you, but I think it's the right thing to do.

Maybe now that you're free of the EU, you guys can discuss something like that.

[Drummond]

Oh, undoubtedly it would render many anti-free speech laws you have on the books invalid.

Honestly, it's such a natural thing for we Americans to say what we think that it's kind of mind boggling that other 'free' nations don't have that basic right.

I mean, there are limits to our Free Speech, such as yelling 'Fire!' in a theater or threatening the President's life or terrorist threats... but calling out the Mayor of London for being a Muslim bent on killing the very infidels he's supposed to be trying to protect would be perfectly legal.

Yeah, it would be a large undertaking for you, but I think it's the right thing to do.

Maybe now that you're free of the EU, you guys can discuss something like that.

A nice thought. Me, I'd be all in favour of it.

Unfortunately, being shot of the EU and its suffocating control-freakery still doesn't nullify our own laws. We'd still have to go through the process of making the necessary changes. Just trying would undoubtedly create the civil unrest I'm talking about. Just our own, 'home grown' Muslims (i.e those on our territory) would make sure of it (backed by every Leftie out there !).

A pack of aggravated heavy-breathing Muslims descending on peoples' neighbourhoods, is something we don't need right now.

Sadiq Khan wouldn't even need to pitch it on a religious level, anyway (he probably WOULD, for maximum effect ... he just wouldn't have to). All he'd need do is take out a civil action for defamation of character, putting his accuser in the position of proving that Mr Khan's motivations, whether misguided or not, were intentionally harmful, and not just poor judgment.

He wins that case (?) .. he gets a big payout !!

This is the UK. I promise you, we take slander, libel, very seriously here. Sadiq Khan might not only profit from taking his accuser to court, but end up ruining the reputation of the accuser, too. At minimum, our Lefties would villify the accuser in perpetuity.

[NightTrain]

A nice thought. Me, I'd be all in favour of it.

Unfortunately, being shot of the EU and its suffocating control-freakery still doesn't nullify our own laws. We'd still have to go through the process of making the necessary changes. Just trying would undoubtedly create the civil unrest I'm talking about. Just our own, 'home grown' Muslims (i.e those on our territory) would make sure of it (backed by every Leftie out there !).

A pack of aggravated heavy-breathing Muslims descending on peoples' neighbourhoods, is something we don't need right now.

Sadiq Khan wouldn't even need to pitch it on a religious level, anyway (he probably WOULD, for maximum effect ... he just wouldn't have to). All he'd need do is take out a civil action for defamation of character, putting his accuser in the position of proving that Mr Khan's motivations, whether misguided or not, were intentionally harmful, and not just poor judgment.

He wins that case (?) .. he gets a big payout !!

This is the UK. I promise you, we take slander, libel, very seriously here. Sadiq Khan might not only profit from taking his accuser to court, but end up ruining the reputation of the accuser, too. At minimum, our Lefties would villify the accuser in perpetuity.

Bleh.

I just thank my lucky stars that I was born an American.

[Drummond]

Bleh.

I just thank my lucky stars that I was born an American.

I don't blame you.

In fact, I envy you.

But there's a warning in all of this. We've had generation after generation of the Left exercising its power (if in Government) or influence (if not) in this place. The Muslims we have here would never have established the foothold they did, had our Left not been able to facilitate it all.

The warning is, simply: make SURE your Left never achieve the stranglehold over your society, as they have over here. Yours would absolutely love to turn the US into a clone of the UK ... they'd consider they'd won their ideological battle against the spirit of freedom that drives you.

Gun control could be one pivotal issue .. it'd cut against a fundamental right, and defy your Constitution. Once defied successfully ... the precedent to go further is set, ripe for exploitation. You'd be on the path to become as we are ... essentially weaponless, dependent on the almighty State, having your thoughts and attitudes crafted for you.

So don't take your freedoms for granted. Unless you somehow utterly discredit your Left, unless you can kill it off ... your freedoms remain under threat.

I promise you that I'm right.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

So, we went from 281 cases, to 357, and now 631, the vast bulk of which are over in Milwaukee, 333, but we're shooting up fast here in Wisconsin with 7 dead.

Have 1 case in my county finally, and 3 in the county just east of me. Our county is quite large, and hopefully the one case is way down in Platteville at the college or something, miles away from me. Still no reported cases in the county to my north.

But I think what's driving the numbers up here so fast is simply testing. We've had people walking around infected and didn't know it, and we're just finding out they were. Hopefully our "Safe At Home" lockdown is at least halting the spread now.

[Drummond]

So, we went from 281 cases, to 357, and now 631, the vast bulk of which are over in Milwaukee, 333, but we're shooting up fast here in Wisconsin with 7 dead.

Have 1 case in my county finally, and 3 in the county just east of me. Our county is quite large, and hopefully the one case is way down in Platteville at the college or something, miles away from me. Still no reported cases in the county to my north.

But I think what's driving the numbers up here so fast is simply testing. We've had people walking around infected and didn't know it, and we're just finding out they were. Hopefully our "Safe At Home" lockdown is at least halting the spread now.

Interesting in its way (- sort of ? -) is -- according to the article below -- that we in the UK think we've finally tracked down our 'patient zero' ... the very first person in the UK to be on UK territory and be infected by Covid-19.

Perhaps rather more interesting is just how long ago the infection existed within our borders. Turns out that this case is weeks earlier than the first recorded one. This goes back to MID January, throwing us back at least two weeks earlier for the first case than we thought was true.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coron...id=mailsignout

A family from East Sussex may have been Britain’s first coronavirus victims, catching the virus in mid-January after visiting an Austrian ski resort which is now under investigation for allegedly covering up the early outbreak.

If confirmed with official tests, it would mean the outbreak in Britain started more than a month earlier than currently thought.

As things stand, the first recorded UK case was January 31 and the earliest documented incidence of transmission within the UK occurred on February 28.

IT consultant Daren Bland, 50, was skiing in Ischgl, Austria from January 15 to 19 with three friends, two from Denmark and one from Minnesota in America.

All three men fell ill on their return with classic coronavirus symptoms and Mr Bland passed on the infection to his wife and children in Maresfield, east Sussex.

Note also the reference of the Minnesota man, who returned to America; again, back in January.

Back in mid-January, when, presumably, our infection-passing truly began, Covid-19 wasn't even a news item. Here, all our media could talk about was Brexit ! So far as I recall, there was no mention of this Coronavirus until into February, and by then, even though we weren't recording any at the time, cross-infection here must've been well underway; and from the nature of the lack of awareness of it, already unstoppable by then.

Perhaps your own, true, 'patient zero' was that Minnesota-based individual ?

Or, maybe it was being passed around from elsewhere in Austria, undetected for what it was (& unreported when observed, anyway !), and other returning American tourists brought their infection back even earlier than this ?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

This just BURNS ME UP... first, china is LYING, PERIOD, FULL STOP, and second, I don't know WHY we don't kick that filthy CORRUPT bastard UN OUT of America. WHY do we PAY to have them parked in the US, and then sit back while they TRASH US AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY? And the WHO, they're not any better than the UN. I am SICK of these leftist shit stains TRASHING on America, and we just sit back and LET IT HAPPEN. But china KNOWS it's responsible, and KILLED the first whistle blower doctor there that let it out, and they know damn well if it's ACCEPTED knowledge that they're responsible, nations of the world will DEMAND reparations from China, and they're just LYING THEIR SLANT EYED LITTLE COMMIE ASSES OFF trying to get ahead of that now.

But if we don't start DIVESTING, like YESTERDAY, what we can OUT of china, then GREED truly does RULE THE DAY, and when that happens, then SATAN is your master, and we really are in big trouble as a nation.

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China Is Innocent: Says U.N. and World Health Organization Reject Claim it Launched Coronavirus Pandemic

The global coronavirus pandemic did not start in China, a spokesman for the Chinese Communist Party declared Tuesday, claiming support from both the United Nations (U.N.) and World Health Organization (WHO) in rejecting “hurtful” U.S. allegations to the contrary as “bald-faced racism and xenophobia.”

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang told a daily news briefing not only does China have the full backing of the globalist organizations in denying it started the viral outbreak, the U.S. must cease and desist forthwith from challenging their assertions. He said:

The Chinese side has repeated many times that some people in the U.S. have been seeking by every means to link the virus with China and stigmatize China. This was met with strong indignation and firm objection from the Chinese people. WHO and the international community explicitly oppose linking the virus with any specific country or region and reject stigmatization.

UN Secretary-General António Guterres said ‘it is shameful to see increasing acts of racial discrimination and prejudice as we fight the COVID19 pandemic’ and ‘we must always fight racism and prejudice’. E.U. High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Josep Borrell said the virus knows no border and we need cooperation and multilateralism, instead of competition and recrimination, in face of the common challenge for mankind. It is not the time for countries to blame one another with terms like ‘Chinese virus’.

WHO believes that we should avoid calling it ‘Chinese virus’. Now is the moment for solidarity, for respecting facts and for fighting together.

Shuang went on to accuse the U.S. of “bald-faced racism and xenophobia” by its pointing to the evidence that the COVID19 virus was first discovered last year in the southern China city of Wuhan and local party members tried for six weeks to conceal the true nature of the outbreak.

Video at link...

I want to point out that it was the U.S. side that started this argument. It was also the US that first claimed that the virus originated in China and used such terms as ‘Chinese virus’ and ‘Wuhan virus’. According to media reports, as early as March 6, Pompeo started to use ‘Wuhan virus’ in public remarks.

Since then, some U.S. politicians and senior officials have been using this term to stigmatize China, causing great anger and strong opposition from the Chinese people. What I just cited are public records. There is no way for the U.S. to deny this.

This is not the first time China has sought to distance itself from the deadly global pandemic, as Britbart News reported.

Earlier this month the world was told it must look to China, pay attention and follow its principles in order to halt the global epidemic, the official Communist China Daily said in an editorial.

Over the past few weeks, Chinese officials and state-managed social media accounts began floating theories that the coronavirus began in the United States and was brought to Wuhan by U.S. Army soldiers visiting for the Military World Games in October.

Video at link...

Last week a major Chinese Communist Party paper, the Global Times, stated again – without evidence – the virus might have been developed in the U.S. Army laboratory in Fort Detrick, Maryland, before being secretly released to harm an innocent and entirely helpless mainland Chinese populace.

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/...StdUtA5g6gkPTs

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Been craving a can of COKE. I hope that's not a symptom of the virus... ...