Coronavirus

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Been craving a can of COKE. I hope that's not a symptom of the virus... ...

[Drummond]

Well, I apologize for not finding it funny, pard. I think the older I get, the less things I find funny, period. My Dad was more of a serious person, I guess I'm becoming my Dad...

But for your left to be able to spew war criminal when referring to Blair and Bush, but yet entirely incapable of calling muslims terrorists, and their activities like the raping women and knife attacks in the UK not seen as being COMPLETELY a MUSLIM thing, I find that absolutely STUNNING as far as being a leftist hypocrite, and just blind and incapable of being even remotely able to admit the TRUTH. I think it's brain washing, it's indoctrination, it's mind and speech control, it's draconian and scary. I think you guys need a good old fashioned rebellion. If there's people like you there, then there's other like you, because you didn't remain SANE without someone else to talk to of like mind. You guys need to form a coalition, a vigilante group, a secret order, and start a campaign against this... INSANE leftism that cripples Britain.

No worries ... not my business to insist that you share my sense of humour !!

You have to remember that our Lefties go out of their way not only to be supportive of Muslims, but to find ways of demonising those who don't. In a society where if you publicly confront a Muslim, you can be accused of 'hatespeech' and earn the interest of the police in what you're saying ... where it can be accepted that the so-called 'real' motivation has to be one of racism, earning only villification ... with the conditioning widespread enough to stick in society as a whole ... well, you said it yourself, when you used the word 'indoctrination'. How do you defeat such a thing, when those indoctrinated think that their thoughts are their own ?

The Left don't care about double standards of any kind. What they want is CONTROL. Control of society. Control of the law-making process. Control over attitudes governing the shape of society. If they have all that, they consider it's a job well done.

As for my own thinking, it's simple. I just remained objective. I started out as a Leftie myself. Then, I saw the great damage it brought, which convinced me that the propaganda was total rot, to be opposed as much as possible. After all, you can't believe in a society where Socialism is meant to improve it, when the reality is that the militant Left are tearing it apart !

Abortion isn't the 'big deal' here that it is in America ... here, abortion is an accepted fact of 'life'. How does killing defenceless children IMPROVE humanity ? Because if you believed the Left, the unborn aren't worth considering.

You'd consider that hypocritical, I think. Our Lefties just wouldn't care, & they've successfully indoctrinated our society into not caring, either.

I think that a clue to the solution is to prove that the Left do not represent the ordinary citizen. This, Brexit did a lot to teach people, and so, Labour lost heavily last December in our election. BUT, next time we have an election, there will be no equivalent of an instructive Brexit in play, so, how will the lesson be RE-taught ?

Because, it will have to be. Again and again.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

No worries ... not my business to insist that you share my sense of humour !!

You have to remember that our Lefties go out of their way not only to be supportive of Muslims, but to find ways of demonising those who don't. In a society where if you publicly confront a Muslim, you can be accused of 'hatespeech' and earn the interest of the police in what you're saying ... where it can be accepted that the so-called 'real' motivation has to be one of racism, earning only villification ... with the conditioning widespread enough to stick in society as a whole ... well, you said it yourself, when you used the word 'indoctrination'. How do you defeat such a thing, when those indoctrinated think that their thoughts are their own ?

The Left don't care about double standards of any kind. What they want is CONTROL. Control of society. Control of the law-making process. Control over attitudes governing the shape of society. If they have all that, they consider it's a job well done.

As for my own thinking, it's simple. I just remained objective. I started out as a Leftie myself. Then, I saw the great damage it brought, which convinced me that the propaganda was total rot, to be opposed as much as possible. After all, you can't believe in a society where Socialism is meant to improve it, when the reality is that the militant Left are tearing it apart !

Abortion isn't the 'big deal' here that it is in America ... here, abortion is an accepted fact of 'life'. How does killing defenceless children IMPROVE humanity ? Because if you believed the Left, the unborn aren't worth considering.

You'd consider that hypocritical, I think. Our Lefties just wouldn't care, & they've successfully indoctrinated our society into not caring, either.

I think that a clue to the solution is to prove that the Left do not represent the ordinary citizen. This, Brexit did a lot to teach people, and so, Labour lost heavily last December in our election. BUT, next time we have an election, there will be no equivalent of an instructive Brexit in play, so, how will the lesson be RE-taught ?

Because, it will have to be. Again and again.

Do you have any local friends/acquaintances that share your opinions?

[Drummond]

Do you have any local friends/acquaintances that share your opinions?

Good question.

I'm retired from my workplace, so the circle of friends I had there I don't regularly meet (& certainly not in these conditions !). A couple of them share some of them, though not quite with the 'mix' that match my own.

For example, I'm anti-abortion. This is not a common position, here, for people to adopt. It's NOT an issue here. Try to introduce it a a subject to care about, most won't even care about it.

It's accepted by most people that the 2003 Iraq war was an error, brought about by faulty beliefs in WMD's. I believe it was highly necessary, and I know for a fact that WMD's, albeit degraded ones, WERE found. I know this from trawling American sources ... because no British ones ever brought that to light.

My belief that we'd be a lot better off with gun ownership than as we now are: I don't know anyone who believes this.

Peoples' Conservatism varies, and mine is more in line with the American model than pretty much anyone else I know.

British people tend to distrust Labour, but few see them as the pernicious all-controlling social cancer that I do. I know of nobody who'll want them disbanded, as I do.

I think it's true to say that I do know people who believe in ASPECTS of my total philosophy. Their extent of it ... it varies.

I don't know if that answers you.

In fact ... the most regular contacts I have are from those who strongly oppose me. I'm in regular email contact with them, & when I'm not debating or pontificating here, chances are that I'm fighting my ideological 'war' with them !!

I usually win. Of course ...

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I tell ya... I have bad feeling about all this... just a gut feeling... that this is going to get real bad.

I hope I'm wrong... but unfortunately my intuition has been pretty reliable in the past.

[icansayit]

We're spoiled. Really, really, really Miss seeing all of the kiddies (grandchildren). They all are home with their parents...no more school in Virginia, or N. Carolina. Our oldest grandson supposed to Graduate High School in June...THAT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!

Aside from feeling sorry for ourselves...safe here where we are. How sad we are for all of them.

Everone out there in DP land...take care. Stay away from crowds. It's GOTTA get better!

Lord Willin'

[High_Plains_Drifter]

We're spoiled. Really, really, really Miss seeing all of the kiddies (grandchildren). They all are home with their parents...no more school in Virginia, or N. Carolina. Our oldest grandson supposed to Graduate High School in June...THAT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!

Aside from feeling sorry for ourselves...safe here where we are. How sad we are for all of them.

Everone out there in DP land...take care. Stay away from crowds. It's GOTTA get better!

Lord Willin'

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition...

[Drummond]

Forgive my tasteless 'British spin' ...

corbyn equality - socialism in action.jpg

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Been texting with some of my friends around the country, from my buddy that I worked with at Reno Harley Davidson that's now driving a truck on the west coast and lives in Oregon, to my old AF buddy that lives in Washington, to my ex wife in Penn, and I'll tell ya, things are starting to get spooky.

I'm beginning to wonder myself how much longer before some people go full blown panic, and that would just snow ball into all out anarchy panic.

[Kathianne]

Been texting with some of my friends around the country, from my buddy that I worked with at Reno Harley Davidson that's now driving a truck on the west coast and lives in Oregon, to my old AF buddy that lives in Washington, to my ex wife in Penn, and I'll tell ya, things are starting to get spooky.

I'm beginning to wonder myself how much longer before some people go full blown panic, and that would just snow ball into all out anarchy panic.

It seems to me that folks are adjusting and most sort of just waiting to see what pans out. My kids and spouses are all working from home. Once they put the stay at home in place, they accepted it and have pretty much stayed in, though taking family/dog walks. My youngest and his wife, both being runners and bikers, stopped before being told to.

I suppose my brother has the most news. He is the Park District Liaison Officer. LOL! They made up the management title 10 years ago when he retired from the police department as Deputy Chief. He does the hiring of what they call Park Ambassadors who make sure that events are scheduled correctly and other departments that need to be given notice or needed to assist are told what, when, and how many people are needed. Most often it is the police that need to assist in one way or another, thus the Park District manager really wanted him when he knew he was coming available. It's always, 'who you know.'

His wife has quite a few health issues and their plans had been to retire to FL when he retired from the police department. Then my dad got sick and then their son, Jay. Obviously it was Jay's health that changed their plans to stay in Chicago area so long. Back in the fall, they found a community they liked in Sarasota area. Their daughter and family live on some island off of Tampa, so they are just over an hour away.

So they decided to build in this golf community, they are supposed to close in August. Paula, my SIL, got sick over the holidays and decided to go to FL after getting out of the hospital. Chicago was just too cold. She went to stay with Julie. She was supposed to come home this Sunday.

Anyways, my brother had decided to meet up with his old gang at Myrtle Beach for golf this past week, fly home, then fly to get Paula and drive back. Last week I went to call him and see if that was still his plan. No answer. Called Paula and she said, "I just talked to him, he cannot fly! He cannot traipse around and then get me." I said, "That is why I was trying to get a hold of him." "Well I told him, Eric (Julie's husband the doctor), told him. No flying! Even if you are healthy enough for no symptoms, not a good idea to come and get in a car with Paula." Then all his friends said their wives wouldn't let them fly either. LOL!

So then the plan became he'd rent a car and drive down earlier. The Park District had closed, but he or one of his ambassadors walked each park every day to make sure all the facilities were locked and in good order. He decided a couple days before to cook all the food left in refrigerator and bring it to Jay's family. One of Paula's docs called when he was at Jay's and heard the kids-being homeschooled. Told Jim he'd have to be self-quarantined for at minimum 14 days before being around Paula. LOL! So, he's still walking the parks.

On a more somber note, 2 of their police officers have tested positive, along with some firefighter/paramedics. So far no symptoms, but they now have a lot of folks that can't work. I think that got him more serious about serious.

So that is what I think is going to be our new normal for awhile. Slow awakenings, some worries, and some just carrying on.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Just surfed the channel over to Water's World and heard what I consider some good news, finally. He had a NYC doctor on that said they're learning by leaps and bounds about how to handle this virus daily, but he went on to say, and this was the important, good news part, he said that after extensive analyzing and crunching the data, that the number one way a person can catch the virus is, touch something or someone that's infected, and then TOUCH YOUR FACE. He said that if you practice social distancing and wash your hands, and keep washing your hands, and DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE, that you can lower your chances of catching the virus down to virtually ZERO.

[Drummond]

Just surfed the channel over to Water's World and heard what I consider some good news, finally. He had a NYC doctor on that said they're learning by leaps and bounds about how to handle this virus daily, but he went on to say, and this was the important, good news part, he said that after extensive analyzing and crunching the data, that the number way a person can catch the virus is, touch something or someone that's infected, and then TOUCH YOUR FACE. He said that if you practice social distancing and wash your hands, and keep washing your hands, and DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE, that you can lower your chances of catching the virus down to virtually ZERO.

Is this new ? Our people have been saying this for weeks.

.... Mind you .... you'd have to figure that those 'who know best' aren't nearly as sure of such advice as they'd argue. Otherwise, why the official insistence of keeping 2 metres (around 6 feet) away from other people .. ?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Is this new ? Our people have been saying this for weeks.

.... Mind you .... you'd have to figure that those 'who know best' aren't nearly as sure of such advice as they'd argue. Otherwise, why the official insistence of keeping 2 metres (around 6 feet) away from other people .. ?

I don't think it's "new," but I think it's something that they now realize is one of the most important factors pertaining to how people catch it, thus how to prevent catching it.

The 6' social distancing is also important, actually all measures are important, but since this doctor was working on the front lines with it, he said they're noticing that the people that keep washing their hands, using the disinfectant, and do NOT TOUCH THEIR FACE, NO MATTER WHAT, they're not getting sick.

[Kathianne]

I don't think it's "new," but I think it's something that they now realize is one of the most important factors pertaining how people catch it.

The 6' social distancing is also important, actually all measures are important, but since this doctor was working on the front lines with it, he said they're noticing that the people that keep washing their hands, using the disinfectant, and do NOT TOUCH THEIR FACE, NO MATTER WHAT, they're not getting sick.

It's good advice and follow it. At the same time, they've been saying that from the start. Healthcare workers, especially doctors and nurses know and I'm sure, follow it. Yet, in some hospitals over 20% of their workers are sick.

2 days ago, we passed the 1k dead. Today we passed 2k.

I'm not trying to be a downer, but we have to try and give good information.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

It's good advice and follow it. At the same time, they've been saying that from the start. Healthcare workers, especially doctors and nurses know and I'm sure, follow it. Yet, in some hospitals over 20% of their workers are sick.

2 days ago, we passed the 1k dead. Today we passed 2k.

I'm not trying to be a downer, but we have to try and give good information.

You can certainly still catch it different ways, especially through the air from someone coughing or sneezing, and not having any PPE.

But as far as not touching your face when you've been out and about, some people don't get it the first time they hear it, or the second, or the third, some people are stupid, and they have to be told a dozen times before it sinks in. Always keep in mind, the average IQ of Americans is only 98.