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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    Very well spotted.

    It goes without saying that this character was a member of the Labour Party.

    I say 'was', though. Ms Oakes has bought 'a world of hurt' for herself out of all this. She's no longer Mayor .. & she also had a job with a law firm ... they've thrown her out.

    https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/new...es-job-4033209

    Even the Labour Party, it must be said, have thrown her out.
    Today ... some more subhumanity from the Left. This time, it involves an official from the RMT, which is a transport Union .... one with a militant strike record.

    A report on it:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/r...-a4412196.html

    Rail, Maritime and Transport union boss Steve Hedley has been suspended after saying he would "throw a party" if Boris Johnson dies of coronavirus.

    It comes after the Prime Minister was admitted into intensive care as he battled with Covid-19.

    He was moved back to the ward at St Thomas' Hospital on Thursday as his condition improved.

    Mr Hedley, who is the assistant chief of the RMT, is believed to have made comments on social media about having a party, in reference to Boris Johnson's condition.

    He also reportedly wrote that he hoped the whole Cabinet contracted the deadly virus in a series of comments on his public Facebook profile.

    The union boss then proceeded to hit back at users who criticised him for his comments.

    Mr Hedley is a longstanding RMT official and is effectively the union's number two.

    A spokesman for the union said: "Following a meeting of the union's National Executive a decision has been made to suspend senior assistant general secretary Steve Hedley with immediate effect while a formal investigation takes place into his conduct."
    On LBC, a presenter, Maajid Nawaz, interviewed Hedley. At the tail-end of the interview, Nawaz attempted to discuss his comments, but Hedley refused. He hung up on him.

    Shortly thereafter, Hedley was suspended by his Union.

    See:



    Says it all. Nawaz has himself been highly critical of Boris in the past, BUT, he genuinely wishes Boris to have a good recovery. As for the vicious creep, Hedley .....
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    Haters gonna hate, but there should be a price to pay for doing so in public.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Haters gonna hate, but there should be a price to pay for doing so in public.
    Particularly when the source of it is Left-wing, agenda-driven, hatred of those who've DARED to stand for something they happen not to want to support.

    I'm not sure that this gets to the crux of the matter. I think that what DOES, is proof that what infects the Left and helps define it, is such a level of subhuman hate.

    These people think they have standards which qualify them for leadership of an entire nation. They think they're fit to !! HOW, exactly ... ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    Particularly when the source of it is Left-wing, agenda-driven, hatred of those who've DARED to stand for something they happen not to want to support.

    I'm not sure that this gets to the crux of the matter. I think that what DOES, is proof that what infects the Left and helps define it, is such a level of subhuman hate.

    These people think they have standards which qualify them for leadership of an entire nation. They think they're fit to !! HOW, exactly ... ???
    I find haters, left or right, despicable. I can deal nicely on the surface if they control their hate, but when the line is crossed, they are the same. Haters.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I find haters, left or right, despicable. I can deal nicely on the surface if they control their hate, but when the line is crossed, they are the same. Haters.
    You see reason to equivocate between Left and Right when it comes to haters.

    I think that's misguided. It comes down to the nature of it, which the difference between Left and Right helps to define.

    A Left winger can hate a Capitalist society, and wants to see it torn down. His agenda is one full of destructive hate.

    A Right winger will want to defend against that agenda. S/he is thoroughly entitled to hate it. S/he is fuelled by a desire to see the agenda neutralised.

    One is aggressive and destructive. The other is defensive, honour and decency-driven.

    It isn't reasonable to equate the two in such a way that you think they have EQUAL merit (or lack thereof).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    You see reason to equivocate between Left and Right when it comes to haters.

    I think that's misguided. It comes down to the nature of it, which the difference between Left and Right helps to define.

    A Left winger can hate a Capitalist society, and wants to see it torn down. His agenda is one full of destructive hate.

    A Right winger will want to defend against that agenda. S/he is thoroughly entitled to hate it. S/he is fuelled by a desire to see the agenda neutralised.

    One is aggressive and destructive. The other is defensive, honour and decency-driven.

    It isn't reasonable to equate the two in such a way that you think they have EQUAL merit (or lack thereof).
    Respectfully disagree. There are those on the right that see justice in bombing an abortion clinic, they are rightfully condemned by pro-life supporters. Why? It's wrong to kill or maim-regardless by an abortionist or by a bomber.

    From time-to-time you can see hate on the right here, not at individuals by at groups. Hate in any form is evil and corrupts the hater.

    War is not in hate, but often initiated by those that do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Respectfully disagree. There are those on the right that see justice in bombing an abortion clinic, they are rightfully condemned by pro-life supporters. Why? It's wrong to kill or maim-regardless by an abortionist or by a bomber.

    From time-to-time you can see hate on the right here, not at individuals by at groups. Hate in any form is evil and corrupts the hater.

    War is not in hate, but often initiated by those that do.
    H'm. What you describe has no equivalent in my own society. Abortion is far more accepted here than in the US ... it's not an issue, much less a polarising one.

    What happens here is that the Left hates, the Right defends against that hate. This doesn't include extremists who are invariably racist groups (e.g the old BNP) ... which the Left demonises as 'The Far Right'.

    While they're busily demonising figures such as Tommy Robinson, so they continue on with anti-semitism within the confines of the Labour Party. A Leadership-hopeful, Lisa Nandy, won support from Jewish groups when she made noises suggesting that Labour needed to cleanse itself of its antisemitism. But most recently, after failing to win the leadership of that Party, she called for an arms embargo against Israel until they did more to 'recognise Palestinian rights'.

    Lefties will hide their hatred when it suits them, or apply it like a surgeon's scalpel. But, they delight in their hatred in a way that nobody on our Right ever would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    H'm. What you describe has no equivalent in my own society. Abortion is far more accepted here than in the US ... it's not an issue, much less a polarising one.

    What happens here is that the Left hates, the Right defends against that hate. This doesn't include extremists who are invariably racist groups (e.g the old BNP) ... which the Left demonises as 'The Far Right'.

    While they're busily demonising figures such as Tommy Robinson, so they continue on with anti-semitism within the confines of the Labour Party. A Leadership-hopeful, Lisa Nandy, won support from Jewish groups when she made noises suggesting that Labour needed to cleanse itself of its antisemitism. But most recently, after failing to win the leadership of that Party, she called for an arms embargo against Israel until they did more to 'recognise Palestinian rights'.

    Lefties will hide their hatred when it suits them, or apply it like a surgeon's scalpel. But, they delight in their hatred in a way that nobody on our Right ever would.
    If DP is your only widespread contact with Americans, well it's not terribly widespread. There are degrees on both the left and right here, though the extreme is much larger on the left, at least to my perception.

    Even here you see some of the religious hatred, not just at Catholics and Muslims, but Jews too. While it's the 'right' that has the anti Catholic and Muslim things down; the left is anti Jews to a large, 'quiet' but getting louder, degree.

    Racial prejudice comes from both sides, one with saying they are worthless, shiftless, and such-though they KNOW good people too. The other side is patronizing, saying they need lower scores in the military, schools, universities, reparations, blah. blah. blah.

    It's a big country, with lots of diversity. The parties too are diverse and opinions run wide.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    Today ... some more subhumanity from the Left. This time, it involves an official from the RMT, which is a transport Union .... one with a militant strike record.

    A report on it:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/r...-a4412196.html



    On LBC, a presenter, Maajid Nawaz, interviewed Hedley. At the tail-end of the interview, Nawaz attempted to discuss his comments, but Hedley refused. He hung up on him.

    Shortly thereafter, Hedley was suspended by his Union.

    See:



    Says it all. Nawaz has himself been highly critical of Boris in the past, BUT, he genuinely wishes Boris to have a good recovery. As for the vicious creep, Hedley .....
    Very sorry to find that Boris is so ill. Prayers for his recovery as your nation sorely needs his leadership.
    Please stay safe my friend. Praying that none of us here are hit with this serious disease.
    And that goes for Pete as well... --Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post

    Lefties will hide their hatred when it suits them, or apply it like a surgeon's scalpel. But, they delight in their hatred in a way that nobody on our Right ever would.


    Bravo! You've just summed it up in a way I've been searching for for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    If DP is your only widespread contact with Americans, well it's not terribly widespread. There are degrees on both the left and right here, though the extreme is much larger on the left, at least to my perception.

    Even here you see some of the religious hatred, not just at Catholics and Muslims, but Jews too. While it's the 'right' that has the anti Catholic and Muslim things down; the left is anti Jews to a large, 'quiet' but getting louder, degree.

    Racial prejudice comes from both sides, one with saying they are worthless, shiftless, and such-though they KNOW good people too. The other side is patronizing, saying they need lower scores in the military, schools, universities, reparations, blah. blah. blah.

    It's a big country, with lots of diversity. The parties too are diverse and opinions run wide.
    I daresay that to have an accurate picture of the extremes of American society, YES, I'd have to look far beyond DP. Understood.

    But - and you acknowledge this yourself, to a degree - the nature of the hatreds from one end of the spectrum to the other differs very significantly.

    I know it's not the entirety of the problem. Nonetheless, a workable generalisation comes from the observation that Leftist-based hatred is WAY more pernicious than its so-called 'counterpart' on the Right. The Left seeks change. It seeks dominion, over the social order, over even the way people think. This is why they rely so heavily upon demonisation of their opposition during a Leftie 'hate fest' ... it's highly manipulative in character.

    It is completely aggressive and destructive. It is meant to be, in order to serve its purpose .... one of instituting irrevocable change.

    Hatreds from the Right are less than they once were, and today, they're largely defensive. We don't seek to further a 'terraforming' agenda, as the Left does .. the Right is defending against the indecency of the Left, and its manipulations.

    Indecency of the Left ... how did this debate begin ? From the example of a militant Leftie, who wanted to throw a party to celebrate the death of a figure of opposition !

    This is purely aggressive and pernicious in nature, and has NO redeeming factors of any kind.

    No, Kath. You're equivocating with very little, if any at all, good cause to. The Left's hatreds are very much worse than any from the Right. The Right will defend and fight for decency. The Left does PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Very sorry to find that Boris is so ill. Prayers for his recovery as your nation sorely needs his leadership.
    Please stay safe my friend. Praying that none of us here are hit with this serious disease.
    And that goes for Pete as well... --Tyr
    Your sentiment on Pete is noted and mirrored, Tyr. Agreed. Whether the Left would be anything like as benevolent .... well, I cite that militant Union leader (now ex-leader) as evidence of the far worse nature of the Left's own hatreds. Something I'd like Kathianne to acknowledge from the clear evidence of it.

    As for Boris, I heard an update this morning: he's well on the mend. He's been moved to a low-dependency wing of St Thomas's Hospital, and is reportedly busily playing games and watching films. Good luck to him .. he's taking a holiday from the Left's hatreds.

    Also praying that none of us gets this disease (.. or if we must, may our experience of it be asymptomatic !)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightTrain View Post
    Bravo! You've just summed it up in a way I've been searching for for years.
    Thanks for that.

    Kath gives me the impression of seeking a basis for equivocation. In fact, no such basis exists. I believe there's a genuine lack of comprehension there of what exactly does drive a Leftie, and consequently what it makes them capable of.

    I have to hope that such equivocation (or desire for same) is shared by as few people as possible, on our side. It's something the Left would love to exploit, and WILL, if they can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    Your sentiment on Pete is noted and mirrored, Tyr. Agreed. Whether the Left would be anything like as benevolent .... well, I cite that militant Union leader (now ex-leader) as evidence of the far worse nature of the Left's own hatreds. Something I'd like Kathianne to acknowledge from the clear evidence of it.

    As for Boris, I heard an update this morning: he's well on the mend. He's been moved to a low-dependency wing of St Thomas's Hospital, and is reportedly busily playing games and watching films. Good luck to him .. he's taking a holiday from the Left's hatreds.

    Also praying that none of us gets this disease (.. or if we must, may our experience of it be asymptomatic !)
    I hold a special affection for our nation's mother country, its peoples. And its rich history.
    Since you and I became friends, I have learned so much from you and your knowledge and character both amaze me.
    I consider it a true blessing that we became good friends and we see this dark world in very much the same way.
    Praying for the good health, prosperity, safety and continuance of your nation is important to me and in my opinion
    should be so to all Americans.
    Great that you post Boris is greatly improved. Great news indeed my friend! --Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    I hold a special affection for our nation's mother country, its peoples. And its rich history.
    Since you and I became friends, I have learned so much from you and your knowledge and character both amaze me.
    I consider it a true blessing that we became good friends and we see this dark world in very much the same way.
    Praying for the good health, prosperity, safety and continuance of your nation is important to me and in my opinion
    should be so to all Americans.
    Great that you post Boris is greatly improved. Great news indeed my friend! --Tyr
    You have a way with words, Tyr, that I can't begin to match ... it's the poet in you, no doubt !

    There's nothing at all special about me. However, I would like to think that there's something special in what we argue for, and will fight to achieve ... a human existence free of certain scourges.

    Let the fight continue until it's won, and WITHOUT dangerous equivocation exercises watering down its effectiveness. We shall one day win in the UK, and no doubt the US will prove to be the inspiration that facilitates that victory.

    As always, my friend, my very best to you and yours. You do a stellar job here !!
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