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    Default For The Hand-Wringers: How's That Opening Up Working Out?

    As Abbey and myself have opined, 'opening up' doesn't necessarily equate with going out. People here were hunkering down before being 'forced' to and some were going out in ways that did not conform with the recommendations after. IOW, people from the beginning have done what they felt right for them during the crisis.

    Many are focusing on the 66% mentioned by Cuomo on contracting the virus 'from sheltering at home.' What fails to be mentioned with that number is that many were from nursing homes in NYC, where Cuomo was favoring sending those with the virus back from hospitals. Shockingly! other residents became infected. I do think there is an opening for civil cases of wrongful deaths against NY.

    With the exception of NY and a few other hot spots, the rest of the country is starting to make decisions, both as policy and individual choices:

    https://hotair.com/archives/allahpun...ally-distance/

    The Robots Are Here — And They Want You To Socially Distance
    ALLAHPUNDITPosted at 8:01 pm on May 8, 2020

    I’ve written umpteen posts about Boston Dynamics’ menacing robots over the years. I never foresaw that when our dystopian future finally arrived, their sinister role in it would be … nagging people about staying six feet away from each other.

    They might get away with this in Singapore but they’d never get away with it here. Young bros in MAGA hats would be punting this thing around the park. If governors want to use robots to enforce compliance with social distancing, they’d better roll out the big boys.

    Gretchen Whitmer will end up deploying the ED-209 from “Robocop.” That movie took place in Michigan, didn’t it? Watch, then read on.
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    A robot dog enlisted by Singapore authorities politely asks joggers and cyclists to stay apart https://reut.rs/2SOTj6e




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    How’s the U.S. doing on social distancing now that states are beginning to reopen? Let’s look at three data visualizations to see. This first one comes from a FiveThirtyEight piece reiterating a point that should be familiar to all of us by now: Social distancing began before the stay-at-home orders were issued. Whether you support lockdowns or loathe them, you’re kidding yourself if you think they’re driving Americans’ behavior. This image shows how people in 21 different states (all except one of which went for Trump in 2016) have changed their habits of leaving home over the past three months. Where the line in each is pink, that means fewer people were staying home than did so on the same day in 2019; where it’s blue, that means more people did so than in 2019. The vertical dashed line is the date that that state’s stay-at-home order take effect. In literally every case, the number who were staying home surged massively *before* the lockdown began.



    That’s good news for the “reopen now” contingent. Lockdown orders didn’t do much. No point in leaving them in place, then.
    But there’s a corollary, per the Upshot. If lockdowns didn’t cause Americans to hunker down, ending them doesn’t mean Americans will burst through the doors of their homes and race to the mall either.

    In some states that have already begun that process, like Georgia, South Carolina, Oklahoma and Alaska, the same daily economic data shows only meager signs so far that businesses, workers and consumers have returned to their old routines.

    Georgia, for example, began to reopen in waves starting April 24, first with gyms, salons and tattoo parlors, and several days later with dine-in restaurants and movie theaters. But the share of small businesses operating and the hours worked in them budged little through the following week, according to data from companies that help firms manage business and track payrolls, or that aggregate credit card transactions. The share of small businesses open remained down about 30 percent from January.

    “There’s just no evidence that this partial reopening in Georgia has significantly changed anything in the economy,” said John Friedman, an economist at Brown University and a co-director of Opportunity Insights, a Harvard-based organization that is publicly tracking economic data on the crisis from a number of private companies. Consumer spending data in Georgia has fluctuated up and down, but moving averages of the metric have remained about the same.

    Georgia did see an uptick in business from residents of other states, which stands to reason. At the time it was the only state in its region to reopen “dine-in restaurants, gyms, hair salons, barbershops and entertainment venues, such as bowling alleys and movie theaters.” But that’s what people like Lindsey Graham from neighboring South Carolina were afraid of. While SC was busy trying to tamp down the epidemic, some residents were across the border in Georgia shopping, possibly getting infected and then bringing the virus back home with them.

    The Upshot flags this data from a recent Democracy Fund poll to show how people are prioritizing in weighing where they’ll go once their state reopens. It’s pretty intuitive:



    “Essential” stuff is on the table. People will take a calculated risk for basic grooming and hygiene (haircuts and dentist), paying their respects to an acquaintance who’s passed away, and some limited small-scale socialization with friends. Anything beyond that and the numbers shift towards opposition. In particular, the more an activity would involve a crowd the less likely people are to be willing to do it. (I’m guessing that the numbers for restaurants would look even worse if we distinguished takeout/fast food, which is minimal risk, from dine-in.) There is a partisan gap here, with Democrats less likely to do the activities listed above than Republicans are, but it’s minimal — just eight to 12 points according to the Upshot.

    One more. This map comes from WaPo and shows what percentage of their time people in every county across the country were spending at home as of April 30 as compared to March 1, April 1, and peak social distancing on April 7. (The map’s interactive so follow the link and play around with it.)



    On March 1 most of the country was spending 65-70 percent of its at home. (On the west coast it was a little higher.) The weather has improved considerably since then yet nearly every county in the U.S. is still seeing people spend 80 percent of their time or more at their own residence. That’s come down since April 7, when rates of 85-90 percent or better were common. Americans are getting out of the house more as spring has sprung. But they’re still doing it less than they were two months ago, and it’s anyone’s guess how much of their out-of-the-house time they’re spending at businesses versus just stretching their legs in parks and at beaches. Whether the relaxation of lockdown orders has encouraged people to leave home more often or whether, as we saw above, people are practicing whatever level of social distancing they feel is optimal irrespective of what the government says is also unclear. But ending the lockdowns obviously hasn’t ended social distancing. Nor will it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    As Abbey and myself have opined, 'opening up' doesn't necessarily equate with going out. People here were hunkering down before being 'forced' to and some were going out in ways that did not conform with the recommendations after. IOW, people from the beginning have done what they felt right for them during the crisis.

    Many are focusing on the 66% mentioned by Cuomo on contracting the virus 'from sheltering at home.' What fails to be mentioned with that number is that many were from nursing homes in NYC, where Cuomo was favoring sending those with the virus back from hospitals. Shockingly! other residents became infected. I do think there is an opening for civil cases of wrongful deaths against NY.

    With the exception of NY and a few other hot spots, the rest of the country is starting to make decisions, both as policy and individual choices:

    https://hotair.com/archives/allahpun...ally-distance/

    The Robots Are Here — And They Want You To Socially Distance
    ALLAHPUNDITPosted at 8:01 pm on May 8, 2020

    I’ve written umpteen posts about Boston Dynamics’ menacing robots over the years. I never foresaw that when our dystopian future finally arrived, their sinister role in it would be … nagging people about staying six feet away from each other.

    They might get away with this in Singapore but they’d never get away with it here. Young bros in MAGA hats would be punting this thing around the park. If governors want to use robots to enforce compliance with social distancing, they’d better roll out the big boys.

    Gretchen Whitmer will end up deploying the ED-209 from “Robocop.” That movie took place in Michigan, didn’t it? Watch, then read on.
    Reuters
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    A robot dog enlisted by Singapore authorities politely asks joggers and cyclists to stay apart https://reut.rs/2SOTj6e




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    How’s the U.S. doing on social distancing now that states are beginning to reopen? Let’s look at three data visualizations to see. This first one comes from a FiveThirtyEight piece reiterating a point that should be familiar to all of us by now: Social distancing began before the stay-at-home orders were issued. Whether you support lockdowns or loathe them, you’re kidding yourself if you think they’re driving Americans’ behavior. This image shows how people in 21 different states (all except one of which went for Trump in 2016) have changed their habits of leaving home over the past three months. Where the line in each is pink, that means fewer people were staying home than did so on the same day in 2019; where it’s blue, that means more people did so than in 2019. The vertical dashed line is the date that that state’s stay-at-home order take effect. In literally every case, the number who were staying home surged massively *before* the lockdown began.



    That’s good news for the “reopen now” contingent. Lockdown orders didn’t do much. No point in leaving them in place, then.
    But there’s a corollary, per the Upshot. If lockdowns didn’t cause Americans to hunker down, ending them doesn’t mean Americans will burst through the doors of their homes and race to the mall either.

    In some states that have already begun that process, like Georgia, South Carolina, Oklahoma and Alaska, the same daily economic data shows only meager signs so far that businesses, workers and consumers have returned to their old routines.

    Georgia, for example, began to reopen in waves starting April 24, first with gyms, salons and tattoo parlors, and several days later with dine-in restaurants and movie theaters. But the share of small businesses operating and the hours worked in them budged little through the following week, according to data from companies that help firms manage business and track payrolls, or that aggregate credit card transactions. The share of small businesses open remained down about 30 percent from January.

    “There’s just no evidence that this partial reopening in Georgia has significantly changed anything in the economy,” said John Friedman, an economist at Brown University and a co-director of Opportunity Insights, a Harvard-based organization that is publicly tracking economic data on the crisis from a number of private companies. Consumer spending data in Georgia has fluctuated up and down, but moving averages of the metric have remained about the same.

    Georgia did see an uptick in business from residents of other states, which stands to reason. At the time it was the only state in its region to reopen “dine-in restaurants, gyms, hair salons, barbershops and entertainment venues, such as bowling alleys and movie theaters.” But that’s what people like Lindsey Graham from neighboring South Carolina were afraid of. While SC was busy trying to tamp down the epidemic, some residents were across the border in Georgia shopping, possibly getting infected and then bringing the virus back home with them.

    The Upshot flags this data from a recent Democracy Fund poll to show how people are prioritizing in weighing where they’ll go once their state reopens. It’s pretty intuitive:



    “Essential” stuff is on the table. People will take a calculated risk for basic grooming and hygiene (haircuts and dentist), paying their respects to an acquaintance who’s passed away, and some limited small-scale socialization with friends. Anything beyond that and the numbers shift towards opposition. In particular, the more an activity would involve a crowd the less likely people are to be willing to do it. (I’m guessing that the numbers for restaurants would look even worse if we distinguished takeout/fast food, which is minimal risk, from dine-in.) There is a partisan gap here, with Democrats less likely to do the activities listed above than Republicans are, but it’s minimal — just eight to 12 points according to the Upshot.

    One more. This map comes from WaPo and shows what percentage of their time people in every county across the country were spending at home as of April 30 as compared to March 1, April 1, and peak social distancing on April 7. (The map’s interactive so follow the link and play around with it.)



    On March 1 most of the country was spending 65-70 percent of its at home. (On the west coast it was a little higher.) The weather has improved considerably since then yet nearly every county in the U.S. is still seeing people spend 80 percent of their time or more at their own residence. That’s come down since April 7, when rates of 85-90 percent or better were common. Americans are getting out of the house more as spring has sprung. But they’re still doing it less than they were two months ago, and it’s anyone’s guess how much of their out-of-the-house time they’re spending at businesses versus just stretching their legs in parks and at beaches. Whether the relaxation of lockdown orders has encouraged people to leave home more often or whether, as we saw above, people are practicing whatever level of social distancing they feel is optimal irrespective of what the government says is also unclear. But ending the lockdowns obviously hasn’t ended social distancing. Nor will it.

    Man I went first day Arkansas allowed it and got a haircut. My hair was touching my collar in the back GROSS, but we aren't ready to go to the movies, or a restaurant yet, maybe in a month or so........

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    Man I went first day Arkansas allowed it and got a haircut. My hair was touching my collar in the back GROSS, but we aren't ready to go to the movies, or a restaurant yet, maybe in a month or so........
    Damn, mine used to be halfway down my back!! Then again, I was 18, and had shitty jobs.

    I got mine cut awhile back, and got one of my shortest haircuts in awhile. White skin underneath showing from the peach fuzz!! And it was COLD when I opened the door to leave. Glad its growing back in!

    But I'm not shy, I'm already ugly and I wear a hat non-stop, so if things got bad, me whipping out the trimmers and shaving my own head, wouldn't be the 1st time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Damn, mine used to be halfway down my back!! Then again, I was 18, and had shitty jobs.

    I got mine cut awhile back, and got one of my shortest haircuts in awhile. White skin underneath showing from the peach fuzz!! And it was COLD when I opened the door to leave. Glad its growing back in!

    But I'm not shy, I'm already ugly and I wear a hat non-stop, so if things got bad, me whipping out the trimmers and shaving my own head, wouldn't be the 1st time!

    Oh when I was 17 I showed up for Basic Training with a ponytail LOL .

    And I'm that way with my beard, since retiring I shave when I feel like it, and if I'm unshaven and need to go into town or whatever, well I'm already married, I'm not looking to impress anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    Oh when I was 17 I showed up for Basic Training with a ponytail LOL .

    And I'm that way with my beard, since retiring I shave when I feel like it, and if I'm unshaven and need to go into town or whatever, well I'm already married, I'm not looking to impress anyone.
    Oh man, at least my barber was gentle about my haircuts and trims with the long hair - basic, they must have took one scissor swipe or shears across a few times and kicked your ass out the door! LOL
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Oh, I didn’t see this and just started a thread about the robo dog cops. You can merge if you think it’s warranted.

    Pretty sure I’ve mentioned here that I’m not a fan of robots. But they are the future. Glad I won’t see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Oh man, at least my barber was gentle about my haircuts and trims with the long hair - basic, they must have took one scissor swipe or shears across a few times and kicked your ass out the door! LOL

    Yeah , just sheers, they sent spent about 2 minutes on each haircut LOL

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    Re: the graph showing percentages of people who would do a specific activity once health officials gave the ok, I have two comments:

    1. The graph does not say any time frame. Is this “I would/would not do it immediately after we get the ok, or, say, one week later, or one month Later? I think people may be hesitant to do them right away, but would gradually get more comfortable. A better survey would give people a few choices of time frames.

    2, For me, as ever, I am looking for two weeks of significantly declining numbers of new cases in my area and wherever I’m thinking of going. The constantly conflicting messages from various health officials don’t inspire confidence.
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    Why haven't you people woken up to the fact that COVID-19 is only a biological warfare exercise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Dogger View Post
    Why haven't you people woken up to the fact that COVID-19 is only a biological warfare exercise?
    I am fairly awoke to the "fact" covid is a biological warfare tool used by China. I don't think it's an exercise at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Dogger View Post
    Why haven't you people woken up to the fact that COVID-19 is only a biological warfare exercise?
    I'm beginning to suspect you must have committed a biological attack on yourself as a child by eating too many paint chips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Dogger View Post
    Why haven't you people woken up to the fact that COVID-19 is only a biological warfare exercise?
    Because we deal in facts we can prove.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Because we deal in facts we can prove.
    It's amazing how one word changes everything sometimes

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Because we deal in facts we can prove.
    Exactly, this is what separates us from the Democrats. Well, one of the things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    Exactly, this is what separates us from the Democrats. Well, one of the things.
    So many things.

    Here are just three:

    Hair buns
    Shrieking bitter feminists
    Common sense
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