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    Who would have thought that social distancing was snake oil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evmetro View Post
    Is there any evidence that proves that social distancing or lockdowns have flattened the curve? How do we know what flattened the curve, or if it really is flatter?
    Several epidemiologist have said that the "curve" followed the route of a bad flu season. And expected that the "social distancing and lockdowns" wouldn't have any effect.
    And some point out that by the time of the lockdowns in various places that the peak of the curve had already reached it's apex and was on the downward slope.

    As far as a 2nd wave goes they say yes maybe that might happen but again it will follow the same pattern or infection as other flus but less so since much of the population has been exposed already.


    However like with any other Flu or contagious disease older people and those with per-exsiting conditions should be extra careful. Because the Flu and Pneumonia always affect that group worse.

    "Knut Wittkowski, for twenty years head of The Rockefeller University's Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, says that social distancing and lockdown is the absolutely worst way to deal with an airborne respiratory virus."
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    Banned from Youtube BTW.
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    As a USAMRIID MRV who survived untreated gastrointestinal anthrax and a severe vaccine injury, COVID being just another in a slew of USAMRIID and WHO "vector studies" the true intent and purpose of which is poisoning the planet and eugenics, COVID ain't shit to me. We all need to start hugging and kissing ASAP if we want to avoid genocide.
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    There are people who can read the article linked in the opening post of this thread and then turn right around and support social distancing. Not everybody understands what a political monster covid is, so they support social distancing and wearing masks where they aren't needed.

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    I suspect that we have members of this very board who support the covid political monster by playing along with all the unnecessary social distancing and mask wearing. Fear mongering has limited the ability of some people to recognize threats to our freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Several epidemiologist have said that the "curve" followed the route of a bad flu season. And expected that the "social distancing and lockdowns" wouldn't have any effect.
    And some point out that by the time of the lockdowns in various places that the peak of the curve had already reached it's apex and was on the downward slope.

    As far as a 2nd wave goes they say yes maybe that might happen but again it will follow the same pattern or infection as other flus but less so since much of the population has been exposed already.


    However like with any other Flu or contagious disease older people and those with per-exsiting conditions should be extra careful. Because the Flu and Pneumonia always affect that group worse.

    "Knut Wittkowski, for twenty years head of The Rockefeller University's Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, says that social distancing and lockdown is the absolutely worst way to deal with an airborne respiratory virus."
    eye popping interview
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/HClzCF4r2SV7/

    Banned from Youtube BTW.
    Indeed, older people and higher risk groups should be more careful. They should probably not wear masks when there is no need for them, and they should learn everything they can about herd immunity.

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    99% of the virus is caught by ...**Hands to face....

    *Mask should be worn by those sick...sneezing...coughing etc....Keeps the flem and garbage on their own face...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongTermGuy View Post
    99% of the virus is caught by ...**Hands to face....

    *Mask should be worn by those sick...sneezing...coughing etc....Keeps the flem and garbage on their own face...

    (Waters world )
    If not a mask, we should all practice the common courtesy that we have used for generations. Cover the mouth when coughing or sneezing, or make every effort to do it away from others. Mask containment of the flying snot may help contain the snot, but the wearing of a mask gives the lefties who have a saddle on this political beast the inch they need in order to take a mile. Make damn sure we need to be wearing a mask before offering up an inch to the lefties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evmetro View Post
    If not a mask, we should all practice the common courtesy that we have used for generations. Cover the mouth when coughing or sneezing, or make every effort to do it away from others. Mask containment of the flying snot may help contain the snot, but the wearing of a mask gives the lefties who have a saddle on this political beast the inch they need in order to take a mile. Make damn sure we need to be wearing a mask before offering up an inch to the lefties.
    Respecting others alone in various ways will prevent sickness with this virus, IMO. If masks were worn earlier on, I think we see less deaths.

    But at least now, folks should do the things you said, cover their mouths, avoid the elderly places.... respect rules at establishments & use common sense depending on where you go and where you live. A lot of us see things differently based on where we live. Me in New York, I see the rules and masks more so. Other places with small amount of infections and deaths, may handle differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Respecting others alone in various ways will prevent sickness with this virus, IMO. If masks were worn earlier on, I think we see less deaths.

    But at least now, folks should do the things you said, cover their mouths, avoid the elderly places.... respect rules at establishments & use common sense depending on where you go and where you live. A lot of us see things differently based on where we live. Me in New York, I see the rules and masks more so. Other places with small amount of infections and deaths, may handle differently.
    Patriots should instinctively know what to do about the covid political monster that is ravaging our economy and constitution. Many patriots and heroes paid the ultimate price for our freedom, so I feel a deep obligation to rail against those who help lefties use the covid political beast to destroy these things. I am so sorry to see that the fear mongering has taken root in you, because I have read enough of your posts to know that we are on the same side of the political war. I have not forgotten the POW and I won't forget all the prisoners of the current political war walking around supermarkets with masks on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evmetro View Post
    I suspect that we have members of this very board who support the covid political monster by playing along with all the unnecessary social distancing and mask wearing. Fear mongering has limited the ability of some people to recognize threats to our freedom.
    Found something I can agree with minus the term "political monster". It of course is your right to believe such.

    At the same time, in real time on the ground, there's a biological virus running amok in an unprotected community. I have however tried to not poke at people who live where thousands have died while sitting on my "perch" where we haven't broken 70 deaths yet.

    I will also point out that deriding the fears of others just foments hatred/resentment.

    I most certainly see the steps toward socialism most all "precautions" have with them. I also see, despite your constant questioning, that is sound logic that if one has face protection one is less susceptible to airborne infection. I sure as Hell didn't come down with a severe lung infection 3 years ago from breathing through a filter; rather, from breathing contaminated air. And that was before there was any damned coronavirus or "social distancing".

    Yes, there is imminent danger to our freedoms in the steps that have been taken. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    The fact is, I haven't seen anyone with a good answer yet. I am very much a Constitutionalist so it annoys the f*ck out of me when I see other "Constitutionalists" carrying on like toddlers about their freaking Rights which tells me they need to get their priorities in line. The dead don't have any damned Rights. Just a hole in the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Found something I can agree with minus the term "political monster". It of course is your right to believe such.

    At the same time, in real time on the ground, there's a biological virus running amok in an unprotected community. I have however tried to not poke at people who live where thousands have died while sitting on my "perch" where we haven't broken 70 deaths yet.

    I will also point out that deriding the fears of others just foments hatred/resentment.

    I most certainly see the steps toward socialism most all "precautions" have with them. I also see, despite your constant questioning, that is sound logic that if one has face protection one is less susceptible to airborne infection. I sure as Hell didn't come down with a severe lung infection 3 years ago from breathing through a filter; rather, from breathing contaminated air. And that was before there was any damned coronavirus or "social distancing".

    Yes, there is imminent danger to our freedoms in the steps that have been taken. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    The fact is, I haven't seen anyone with a good answer yet. I am very much a Constitutionalist so it annoys the f*ck out of me when I see other "Constitutionalists" carrying on like toddlers about their freaking Rights which tells me they need to get their priorities in line. The dead don't have any damned Rights. Just a hole in the ground.

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    My heart goes out to all those prisoners of this current political war who have been captured by the covid political weapon. There are many patriots and conservatives living in fear of the unknown, but I do not know how to reach them. They are roaming the city wearing these POW masks and standing in weird social distancing lines/crowds, but I can't do much to help. I offer the article in the opening post as a life line, and I offer the memory of all those who have paid the ultimate price for our freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evmetro View Post
    My heart goes out to all those prisoners of this current political war who have been captured by the covid political weapon. There are many patriots and conservatives living in fear of the unknown, but I do not know how to reach them. They are roaming the city wearing these POW masks and standing in weird social distancing lines/crowds, but I can't do much to help. I offer the article in the opening post as a life line, and I offer the memory of all those who have paid the ultimate price for our freedom.
    Perhaps you are assuming people are "lost" because they are busy surviving for themselves and their families and don't have a lot of time for ideology? As I previously stated, or words to this affect, you have to be alive first before affording yourself the luxury of putting idealism into practice.

    Just to be clear since I think you joined after this virus crap started, I was the first one on this board to point out the Rights we stood a chance of losing. Where I see a difference in my opinion from yours is mine is tempered with the fact that the immediate danger has to be cleared before advancing. It cannot be ignored, nor wished away. I have tried to stick solely to provable fact since this began and the one provable fact beyond argument is COVID 19 exists and has the potential to kill. You OTOH want to start fighting to the death at 2nd base and you're not even on 1st yet.

    Beyond that? The common sense stuff like masks I can get. I've worn them professionally as a Marine, and an electrician long enough that their value is proven to me. I'm not going to waste my time questioning something that is a proven commodity.

    Has the left jumped at the perfect opportunity presented to them? You betcha. Wouldn't you in its place? I expected it. I actually have expected worse than we've so far seen. I figured there's be more power abusers than have so far shown up.

    Here is the argument the left is going to use because it's their favorite and it's beatable only in hindsight when it's too late: there is no slippery slope. You have to get around that. Right now, you are ready to fight over what, specifically, that you can prove you have lost?

    Oh, and we are all living in fear of something, COVID or not. You fear losing your Rights. Others fear losing their lives. My concern is my family. But in th eend, it's all fear-driven. So I think singling out the fear of others is bad form
    My quota of bullshit cop outs from closed minds is full today, Tomorrow's not looking good for you either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evmetro View Post
    My heart goes out to all those prisoners of this current political war who have been captured by the covid political weapon. There are many patriots and conservatives living in fear of the unknown, but I do not know how to reach them. They are roaming the city wearing these POW masks and standing in weird social distancing lines/crowds, but I can't do much to help. I offer the article in the opening post as a life line, and I offer the memory of all those who have paid the ultimate price for our freedom.


    Maybe not as many as one may think...we live in very "Political" times...Most patriots and conservatives got it going on and are very much Aware....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Perhaps you are assuming people are "lost" because they are busy surviving for themselves and their families and don't have a lot of time for ideology? As I previously stated, or words to this affect, you have to be alive first before affording yourself the luxury of putting idealism into practice.

    Just to be clear since I think you joined after this virus crap started, I was the first one on this board to point out the Rights we stood a chance of losing. Where I see a difference in my opinion from yours is mine is tempered with the fact that the immediate danger has to be cleared before advancing. It cannot be ignored, nor wished away. I have tried to stick solely to provable fact since this began and the one provable fact beyond argument is COVID 19 exists and has the potential to kill. You OTOH want to start fighting to the death at 2nd base and you're not even on 1st yet.

    Beyond that? The common sense stuff like masks I can get. I've worn them professionally as a Marine, and an electrician long enough that their value is proven to me. I'm not going to waste my time questioning something that is a proven commodity.

    Has the left jumped at the perfect opportunity presented to them? You betcha. Wouldn't you in its place? I expected it. I actually have expected worse than we've so far seen. I figured there's be more power abusers than have so far shown up.

    Here is the argument the left is going to use because it's their favorite and it's beatable only in hindsight when it's too late: there is no slippery slope. You have to get around that. Right now, you are ready to fight over what, specifically, that you can prove you have lost?

    Oh, and we are all living in fear of something, COVID or not. You fear losing your Rights. Others fear losing their lives. My concern is my family. But in th eend, it's all fear-driven. So I think singling out the fear of others is bad form
    Where you posted : "Where I see a difference in my opinion from yours is mine is tempered with the fact that the immediate danger has to be cleared before advancing."

    This is where they cornered you. The danger is NEVER going to be cleared, just like we will never see Hydroxychloroquine ever blessed. Covid and future variants are here to stay, and big government and socialism will always be the answer that overrides your inalienable God given rights.

    Time to make ideology a big part of your life and family. We are losing a war here, so we need to get our old asses in gear.

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