A Michigan Barbershop Used Armed Militia To Stop Police From Shutting Them Down

[Abbey Marie]

I don't know re this particular situation but there have been a few sheriffs who said they wouldn't enforce *some* of Whitmer's draconian rules like no boats with motors.

How is this different from the Governors who allow Sanctuary Cities in their state? Proponents of civil disobedience in each case say the “law” is unjust, so we won’t follow it. We need to look at the big picture here, and understand that things tend to become chaotic and dangerous once this attitude is taken. And talk about a slippery slope.

[Abbey Marie]

My friend, the undeclared revolution has been going on for a long time now. They call it liberalism and its party is the dem party.
A radical change occurred in the 60's- the Dem party was taken over by socialism, hot on one day, one month one year, but in that decade.
Now it is infested with pure blood socialists, communists -lite, progressives , atheists, anti-constitutionalists, globalists, etc..
When governors act like Presidents, some of want to know where in the Constitution they are given these Presidential powers.
I am all for States rights being insured but not dictatorial rights.
If I want to risk getting my haircut -that should be between me and whatever barber agrees to cut my hair.
Not some nanny-state governor that decides that I must hide in my home ..
I am tolerant, as I make no complaints against those that wish to stay in their homes, cut their own hair..
But I am not for some idiot governor ordering me to stay home and not get my hair cut.
Question is -how much more are we willing to give up in order for this false security these idiots are peddling.
Because trust me, this is almost nothing in comparison to what they want and plan on doing to us.
(give an inch, they will gladly take a mile) applies to government--never more so than to that of democrat politicians, imho.
Choice, anybody deciding to voluntarily stay inside and try to ride it out-- ok by me.
But any demanding that I--MUST-- do the same-- is certainly not ok by me..
To me freedom is precious and should not be sold or given away in the name of false security....
And a false security is what they are promising..-Tyr

If you can guarantee that your haircut, and everyone else’s, won’t result in further spreading a deadly virus, I’m with you. But once your “freedom to do what you want” endangers others’ life, it’s not so clear cut, is it?

As I’ve mentioned here before, we use that argument against abortion all the time- it’s not just the mother’s life (read:freedom) in play. There is a baby whose life is about to be snuffed out. The left argues back that regardless, a woman should have complete autonomy over her body, and that it is a Constitutional right at that. And that her freedom trumps the baby’s life.

I say at the very least, if we are going to argue that we must be able to behave as we wish, on the bases of freedom and the Constitution, we need to do so consistently.

[Black Diamond]

If you can guarantee that your haircut, and everyone else’s, won’t result in Further spreading a deadly virus, I’m with you. But once your “freedom to do what you want” endangers others’ life, it’s not so clear cut, is it?

As I’ve mentioned here before, we use that argument against abortion all the time- it’s not jus the mother’s life (read:freedom) in play. There is a baby whose life is about to be snuffed out. The left argues back that regardless, a woman should have complete autonomy over her body, and that it is a Constitutional right at that. And that her freedom trumps the baby’s life.

I say at the very least, if we are going to argue that we must be able to behave as we wish, on the bases of freedom and the Constitution, we need to do so consistently.

OK. I think the difference between the barber and the baby is that the if the barber and customer want to take a risk, that's up to the two of them. The baby has no choice in an abortion.

[Abbey Marie]

OK. I think the difference between the barber and the baby is that the if the barber and customer want to take a risk, that's up to the two of them. The baby has no choice in an abortion.

And neither does the person infected by the barber or customers once they leave the salon.

[STTAB]

What that militia did was civil disobedience.. Was not the law enforcement duty sworn to --keep their heads?
If they so adamantly thought it so bad-- then petition the idiot governor to ask for federal intervention.
But they know TRUMP--this nation's assigned and duly elected leader is not for that intervention.
Are we to say that the militia was wrong because the cops didnt open fire on them??
Maybe the cops didnt no push it is because so many of them thought the order was wrong!???
As other police in other locations are openly refusing to enforce such orders.
It is indeed a very dicey situation --but such is brought on by power grabs by politicians --not brought on by citizens, imho..-Tyr

No, it's brought on by both. I say again funny how many people have differing opinions depending on who exactly it is that is fighting with police because they disagree with a law or in this case order.

[STTAB]

How is this different from the Governor’s who allow Sanctuary Cities in their state? Proponents of civil disobedience in each case say the “law” is unjust, so we won’t follow it. We need to look at the big picture here, and understand that things tend to become chaotic and dangerous once this attitude is taken. And talk about a slippery slope.

Exactly, and related to what I said earlier, how is what these fools did any different than what so many young black men have been shot for doing over the years, and everyone who's in here "rah rah "the militia" was right the cops were wrong" were then screaming "these dumb black kids shouldn't fight with cops if they don't want to get shot?"

I'm about fed up with inconsistency of though and hypocrisy in this country.

[Abbey Marie]

No, it's brought on by both. I say again funny how many people have differing opinions depending on who exactly it is that is fighting with police because they disagree with a law or in this case order.

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[Abbey Marie]

Exactly, and related to what I said earlier, how is what these fools did any different than what so many young black men have been shot for doing over the years, and everyone who's in here "rah rah "the militia" was right the cops were wrong" were then screaming "these dumb black kids shouldn't fight with cops if they don't want to get shot?"

I'm about fed up with inconsistency of though and hypocrisy in this country.

Yo tambien.

[Black Diamond]

How is this different from the Governor’s who allow Sanctuary Cities in their state? Proponents of civil disobedience in each case say the “law” is unjust, so we won’t follow it. We need to look at the big picture here, and understand that things tend to become chaotic and dangerous once this attitude is taken. And talk about a slippery slope.

Maybe the sheriffs would make that argument against Whitmer and Ducey. "Well the left thumbed its nose at trump. How is it different when we do something similar?"

Also i don't think a sanctuary city infringes on people's individual freedoms to the same extent as Whitmer saying you can't go up to your secondary residence that You own, telling you can't buy seeds or paint, or drive your boat if it has a motor.

Compounding the problem is the state legislature in MI tried to negotiate with Whitmer to be less draconian and she gave them the finger and rammed the policies through taunting the Republicans as she did it.

[Abbey Marie]

Maybe the sheriffs would make that argument against Whitmer and Ducey. "Well the left thumbed its nose at trump. How is it different when we do something similar?"

Also i don't think a sanctuary city infringes on people's individual freedoms to the same extent as Whitmer saying you can't go up to your secondary residence that You own, telling you can't buy seeds or paint, or drive your boat if it has a motor.

Compounding the problem is the state legislature in MI tried to negotiate with Whitmer to be less draconian and she gave them the finger and rammed the policies through taunting the Republicans as she did it.

So now it’s two wrongs making a right? I like to think that conservatives will continue to take the high road. Lord knows someone has to.

[STTAB]

Maybe the sheriffs would make that argument against Whitmer and Ducey. "Well the left thumbed its nose at trump. How is it different when we do something similar?"

Also i don't think a sanctuary city infringes on people's individual freedoms to the same extent as Whitmer saying you can't go up to your secondary residence that You own, telling you can't buy seeds or paint, or drive your boat if it has a motor.

Compounding the problem is the state legislature in MI tried to negotiate with Whitmer to be less draconian and she gave them the finger and rammed the policies through taunting the Republicans as she did it.

Of course you don't see the people who are fighting polices you don't like as bad as you see the people fighting policies you do like.

Don't you intellectually see the problem with this line or reasoning? We can't just have a country where everyone is entitled to arm themselves and fight the police every time they disagree with a law, or order.

[Black Diamond]

And neither does the person infected by the barber or customers once they leave the salon.

The customers are there by choice. No one is forcing them to be there.

[Black Diamond]

Of course you don't see the people who are fighting polices you don't like as bad as you see the people fighting policies you do like.

Don't you intellectually see the problem with this line or reasoning? We can't just have a country where everyone is entitled to arm themselves and fight the police every time they disagree with a law, or order.

Of course you have no idea how I see things.

[Black Diamond]

So now it’s two wrongs making a right? I like to think that conservatives will continue to take the high road. Lord knows someone has to.

So you took this stance when the clerk refused to hand out marriage licenses to gay couples?

[STTAB]

Of course you have no idea how I see things.

You have literally told us how you see these things.

Or am I wrong and you're pro sanctuary cities and against employers opening up against the orders of Governors?

Of course I'm not wrong.