What happens if you wear a mask for toooooooo long

[Abbey Marie]

And on a side note, if you know any loud talkers.



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[Black Diamond]

Here are some propaganda-free points for you, Evmetro:

- truth is not determined by the source of the information. You should neither dismiss nor believe anything out of hand based on who says it. The one exception should be faith. If you choose to have faith in something, that’s a different ballgame.

- let’s assume for the moment that what you say about masks and the government is true. There is a worldwide political conspiracy to lead us like mask-wearing sheep to total domination. That does not even come close to proving there is no virus, nor that a mask won’t protect you from it. In short, two different things can be true at the same time.

I will conclude by saying that living as you appear to, with a boogey man in every shadow, can’t be a fulfilling, peaceful existence. You may want to take a breather from your negative thoughts and consider that life is too short to spend it this way. Even if you are somehow right, your only definite accomplishment is to waste your life fighting a spectre. I know you will reject this, and that’s ok. I’ve done my best for a stranger who thinks I’m a fool.

There is a lot of this stuff out there. The masks don't work, they will make you sick, if you get on a ventilator, you will never get off it, if you have had a flu shot you will automatically test positive for covid, etc.

Some friends of ours believe this and other crazy theories but this one makes it difficult for Amanda as a medical professional when she has to listen to their venom and paranoia

[Evmetro]

Originally Posted by evmetro
most maskers really do wear them because of what medical and scientific authorities recommend,

agree

evmetro
but can we agree that the political media that delivers what these authorities have to say can and will cherry pick which of them is quoted, and that the media can and will cherry pick what exactly they quote from them?


SassyLady: agree


evmetro
can we agree that the msm can and will assemble whatever narrative they want using real quotes scientific and medical professionals?


SassyLady: agree

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Sorry I took awhile getting back to this. I wanted to nail the notion down that each of our perspectives on mask culture is based on political propaganda, but other members on the thread seemed to be taking the thread in more subjective directions. In the meantime, I have realized that one does not need to actually agree with what I am saying in order for me to lay out my logic if they are just attempting to make an objective evaluation of it. It helps, but is not really all that important. Your posts leading up to this seem quite objective, thanks.

Anyway, my anti masker logic is based upon the notion that each or our unique perspectives of mask culture are based upon political propaganda. Only science itself is untainted with bias, and it gets converted to bias the moment a human gets involved. Scientists and medical professionals have political agenda, and they get hired by people who have political agenda. What scientists and medical professionals have to say is subjectively sorted by media to create political narratives to sell to media consumers like us. You were objective enough to be able to recognize all this apperently, since you indicated that you agreed.



So, in regard to our perception of the current political landscape that includes the use of masks, each of us has made a choice to either wear or not wear a mask, based upon what political propaganda we have consumed. This leads to the next item to consider, which is why the msm, governors, lefties, and democrats are pushing lockdowns, social distancing, masks, or anything that justifies exective orders that limit our freedom and rights. We know that this pandemic hysteria has never been pushed like it is being pushed now, never in the history of our country. Some folks who are sold on the notion that they need to take all the precautions that are being pushed by the MSM may post propaganda that is meant to support the notion they bought from the MSM, but it is just that.


There is more to come as I get some more time, but for now, I am leaving this update at the notion that the MSM has a narrative to sell, that they are selling it hard, and that they want more than anything else to infringe upon our rights and freedom, and to turn America into a third world socialist shithole. They want power, and they want to oust Trump in November. The notion that masks are more important now than in comparable pandemics, and the notion that one has independently and objectively decided to do this based upon all the political propaganda that was placed in front of them by big tech, the msm, and the government, is a notion that is being sold to the public in an effort to oust Trump in November and take power.


No need for any members to get upset and allege that I am calling them bad names, the above is just part of a political position on mask culture that I am presenting. No need for anybody to agree with it, I'm simply presenting it. I'll add more soon.

[Evmetro]

For a guy that likes to dabble in semantics you sure let THAT rhetorical question zoom right over. I can clear it right up for you -- you did not call me directly a commie. Not your style. The inference is there. So's the humor in it for me.

Shall we play YOUR game? Where is it that I have directed you to self-censor or told you what you can and cannot say for that matter? I believe I have told you at least once, if not more you are free to do as you please. followed by suggestions? Sound about right?

Everyone sees your inferences for what they are, so don't with that one. Just as everyone sees your condescension with a smile and a pat on the back for what it is. Did you think you walked into a bowl of cherries? You're not the first at this game, nor the best. Just another.

I've already solved your mask issue for you. You've spent how many threads and pages on you"mask culture" when, IIFC, I pointed out that to my knowledge no one here that wears a mask has the option of choice. That would render your arguments moot.

And yes, if you thought you were going to come on here and make my decisions for me then you got me all wrong. I don't need ANYONE telling me what to do, including YOU. I think for myself and if we disagree you'll just have to get over it because I don't give a shit one way or the other.

Gunny, I suspect that you and I may have some similar political positions, and I suspect we could have interesting discussions. Our channel for communication is clogged up pretty bad with this notion that I think you are a commie, that I have called you a commie, or that I have implied that you are a commie. I recognize that your claim to my guilt apparently relies upon the notion that I did not directly say that you are a commie, but if we are to clear the air, I think it would be reasonable for me to request a quote of what exactly gave you the impression that I implied that you specifically are a commie. I would like to either apologize or clear the air, depending on what it is that you are holding against me. If you would like to start a separate thread on this I am open, but I would like it to be done out in the open since I apparently have wronged you right here in the open.

[Evmetro]

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The very fact that you think for a moment that I am some commie is delusional. Thinking I am some form of lefty is nuts. Thinking I fall for their propaganda BS only means you don't know me well yet, and that's cool. IF you did, you would likely agree on those points and that it's crazy to think that about a far right wing chicken hawk who prefers nukes to the middle east instead of diplomacy.

I was not aware until now that we had this problem. I've known for a couple days that Gunny has been holding a similar position, but I did not realize that we did. Below is what I posted to Gunny, and I extend the same invitation to you. Perhaps we could have a separate thread with you, me and Gunny that is intended to put this to rest. It doesn't seem right that I can't have access to the charges against me in this community, and it doesn't sound right for me to be asserting or implying that members who I do not suspect as being commies are in fact commies.

Here is what I posted to Gunny:

I suspect that you and I may have some similar political positions, and I suspect we could have interesting discussions. Our channel for communication is clogged up pretty bad with this notion that I think you are a commie, that I have called you a commie, or that I have implied that you are a commie. I recognize that your claim to my guilt apparently relies upon the notion that I did not directly say that you are a commie, but if we are to clear the air, I think it would be reasonable for me to request a quote of what exactly gave you the impression that I implied that you specifically are a commie. I would like to either apologize or clear the air, depending on what it is that you are holding against me. If you would like to start a separate thread on this I am open, but I would like it to be done out in the open since I apparently have wronged you right here in the open.

[icansayit]

And on a side note, if you know any loud talkers.



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That is why I WHISPER when typing. My screen will be contaminated, and somebody online might start complaining WE ARE SPREADING the virus here too!

[Evmetro]

I have a little time, so I'll add an update to the anti mask political position that I have been presenting. So far, I have asserted that all of us hold a position on the use of masks that is based upon political propaganda. Even if one were to attempt to bypass the media who present the bulk of what we use to form our perception of the political landscape from by going right to the doctor's or scientists that the media cherry pick from, the scientists and medical professionals themselves are still political propaganda machines. Only science itself, before a human processes it, is untainted by bias.

Next, I explained that the msm, the left, and the government who all operate as one, have an agenda to sell. There is a reason why they are pushing lockdowns, masks, suspension of our freedom and rights. They desperately want to turn America into a 3rd world socialist shithole where they have all the power, and they need Trump gone in order for this to happen. I explained the notions that masks are more important now than in comparable pandemics, and the notion that one has independently and objectively decided to do this based upon all the political propaganda that was placed in front of them by big tech, the msm, and the government, are notions that are being sold to the public in an effort to oust Trump in November and take power.

For my update, I'd like to present the most controversial part of what I am presenting, which is the notion that wearing masks equates to flying the colors of the side who want to oust Trump and make America into a socialist shithole where we do not have freedom and rights. I allege that our political opponents who want to do this are exploiting a virus that is comparable to other bad flu years where masks, lockdowns, social distancing, and suspension of our freedom and rights were not the answer. I allege that they are exploiting our concern for our own health, as well as the health of our loved ones by overwhelming us with so much politically motivated propaganda that we actually believe that it has merit. So much that we actually believe we have independently researched and concluded that wearing masks in a supermarket makes sense. So much that we can't even recognize that we are actually helping our enemy by legitimizing their weaponized political propaganda by wearing the masks. When we are seen wearing these masks, we are perpetuating the notion that the virus this year is so much bigger than other years that we must surrender our rights, freedom, businesses, and economy in order to get past this and restore business as usual.

I realize that this latest update to my anti mask presentation is extremely controversial in this community, and I suspect that subjective pride and emotion may stand in the way of objectively evaluating my presentation so far. It is kinda weird that I am on a primarily self proclaimed righty site and that I have some doubts that anybody is interested in "objectively" evaluating and commenting on this, but I'll keep going with it. Comments or criticism welcome.

[icansayit]

I have a little time, so I'll add an update to the anti mask political position that I have been presenting. So far, I have asserted that all of us hold a position on the use of masks that is based upon political propaganda. Even if one were to attempt to bypass the media who present the bulk of what we use to form our perception of the political landscape from by going right to the doctor's or scientists that the media cherry pick from, the scientists and medical professionals themselves are still political propaganda machines. Only science itself, before a human processes it, is untainted by bias.

Next, I explained that the msm, the left, and the government who all operate as one, have an agenda to sell. There is a reason why they are pushing lockdowns, masks, suspension of our freedom and rights. They desperately want to turn America into a 3rd world socialist shithole where they have all the power, and they need Trump gone in order for this to happen. I explained the notions that masks are more important now than in comparable pandemics, and the notion that one has independently and objectively decided to do this based upon all the political propaganda that was placed in front of them by big tech, the msm, and the government, are notions that are being sold to the public in an effort to oust Trump in November and take power.

For my update, I'd like to present the most controversial part of what I am presenting, which is the notion that wearing masks equates to flying the colors of the side who want to oust Trump and make America into a socialist shithole where we do not have freedom and rights. I allege that our political opponents who want to do this are exploiting a virus that is comparable to other bad flu years where masks, lockdowns, social distancing, and suspension of our freedom and rights were not the answer. I allege that they are exploiting our concern for our own health, as well as the health of our loved ones by overwhelming us with so much politically motivated propaganda that we actually believe that it has merit. So much that we actually believe we have independently researched and concluded that wearing masks in a supermarket makes sense. So much that we can't even recognize that we are actually helping our enemy by legitimizing their weaponized political propaganda by wearing the masks. When we are seen wearing these masks, we are perpetuating the notion that the virus this year is so much bigger than other years that we must surrender our rights, freedom, businesses, and economy in order to get past this and restore business as usual.

I realize that this latest update to my anti mask presentation is extremely controversial in this community, and I suspect that subjective pride and emotion may stand in the way of objectively evaluating my presentation so far. It is kinda weird that I am on a primarily self proclaimed righty site and that I have some doubts that anybody is interested in "objectively" evaluating and commenting on this, but I'll keep going with it. Comments or criticism welcome.

Several days ago. I honestly suggested to you that you just 'LET IT GO'. You don't have to keep defending yourself here. This is a public forum. We don't all agree, or disagree about everything. Strange thing is. That's how life works. You have no need to PROCLAIM anything here. But you really need to just take a breath, slow down, and let that CHIP on your shoulder just melt away. OBJECTIVELY...Just let it go. SUBJECTIVELY...Nobody really gives a rats ass what, or why you have to keep HARPING over such things when all of us are doing just fine.

[Evmetro]

Several days ago. I honestly suggested to you that you just 'LET IT GO'. You don't have to keep defending yourself here. This is a public forum. We don't all agree, or disagree about everything. Strange thing is. That's how life works. You have no need to PROCLAIM anything here. But you really need to just take a breath, slow down, and let that CHIP on your shoulder just melt away. OBJECTIVELY...Just let it go. SUBJECTIVELY...Nobody really gives a rats ass what, or why you have to keep HARPING over such things when all of us are doing just fine.

I am not surprised that you were unable to make any objective comments on the post that you quoted. This is a very weird community with lots of really weird politics of its it's own. I dont understand what it is that you want me to let go, but from my experience it would be impossible to find out without further recommendations to let it go. Whatever it is that you would like for me to let go, please drop it in the threads and start a new one that is specifically about whatever you are talking about, or just let it go.

Do you have any objective comments on the post you posted? I suppose even some subjective criticism would be fine as well, if you can demonstrate that you read and understood what you quoted.

[icansayit]

I am not surprised that you were unable to make any objective comments on the post that you quoted. This is a very weird community with lots of really weird politics of its it's own. I dont understand what it is that you want me to let go, but from my experience it would be impossible to find out without further recommendations to let it go. Whatever it is that you would like for me to let go, please drop it in the threads and start a new one that is specifically about whatever you are talking about, or just let it go.

Do you have any objective comments on the post you posted? I suppose even some subjective criticism would be fine as well, if you can demonstrate that you read and understood what you quoted.

Objectively. I am tired of talking to a wall. Let that go. We are two people on a forum. This is not a college where the Professor stands before us and tells us how we are to think, and behave.
When I said let it go. You didn't understand that because YOU CAN'T just let something go without having the LAST WORD. So..here ya go "WORD!"

[Evmetro]

Objectively. I am tired of talking to a wall. Let that go. We are two people on a forum. This is not a college where the Professor stands before us and tells us how we are to think, and behave.
When I said let it go. You didn't understand that because YOU CAN'T just let something go without having the LAST WORD. So..here ya go "WORD!"

Ok, then let whatever it is go and post an objective comment on what you quoted.

[SassyLady]

I have a little time, so I'll add an update to the anti mask political position that I have been presenting. So far, I have asserted that all of us hold a position on the use of masks that is based upon political propaganda. Even if one were to attempt to bypass the media who present the bulk of what we use to form our perception of the political landscape from by going right to the doctor's or scientists that the media cherry pick from, the scientists and medical professionals themselves are still political propaganda machines. Only science itself, before a human processes it, is untainted by bias.

Next, I explained that the msm, the left, and the government who all operate as one, have an agenda to sell. There is a reason why they are pushing lockdowns, masks, suspension of our freedom and rights. They desperately want to turn America into a 3rd world socialist shithole where they have all the power, and they need Trump gone in order for this to happen. I explained the notions that masks are more important now than in comparable pandemics, and the notion that one has independently and objectively decided to do this based upon all the political propaganda that was placed in front of them by big tech, the msm, and the government, are notions that are being sold to the public in an effort to oust Trump in November and take power.

For my update, I'd like to present the most controversial part of what I am presenting, which is the notion that wearing masks equates to flying the colors of the side who want to oust Trump and make America into a socialist shithole where we do not have freedom and rights. I allege that our political opponents who want to do this are exploiting a virus that is comparable to other bad flu years where masks, lockdowns, social distancing, and suspension of our freedom and rights were not the answer. I allege that they are exploiting our concern for our own health, as well as the health of our loved ones by overwhelming us with so much politically motivated propaganda that we actually believe that it has merit. So much that we actually believe we have independently researched and concluded that wearing masks in a supermarket makes sense. So much that we can't even recognize that we are actually helping our enemy by legitimizing their weaponized political propaganda by wearing the masks. When we are seen wearing these masks, we are perpetuating the notion that the virus this year is so much bigger than other years that we must surrender our rights, freedom, businesses, and economy in order to get past this and restore business as usual.

I realize that this latest update to my anti mask presentation is extremely controversial in this community, and I suspect that subjective pride and emotion may stand in the way of objectively evaluating my presentation so far. It is kinda weird that I am on a primarily self proclaimed righty site and that I have some doubts that anybody is interested in "objectively" evaluating and commenting on this, but I'll keep going with it. Comments or criticism welcome.

I wear a mask.

It says "Make America Great Again" and I don't want to oust Trump so your premise is flawed.

[Evmetro]

I wear a mask.

It says "Make America Great Again" and I don't want to oust Trump so your premise is flawed.

That is a fantastic point! I have to wear a mask in order to enter certain businesses, in spite of how I am against them. I have learned that businesses that require masks for entry don't require people to wear the correct ppe for virus protection, so I wear a spandex type of stretchy tube mask that is really easy to breathe through. Across the front of mine is the same message that you have on yours, and a MAGA message is certainly something that does not promote the ousting Trump in favor of a socialist shithole country. Even if you wear your mask because you have come to believe it makes sense, you are still cancelling the political benefits that our political opponents get from having you be seen in a mask. Your exception has merit!

I saw some masks that a friend who makes crafts made the other day, and I ended up buying a couple. I probably won't ever wear them, but I am a sucker for homemade crafts.

[icansayit]

Ok, then let whatever it is go and post an objective comment on what you quoted.

Go back and try to read what I just told you. WORD!

[Evmetro]

Go back and try to read what I just told you. WORD!

I'm sorry we have whatever problem has polarized your ability to post an objective comment about the subject that you quoted me discussing. It appears that our channel of communication has become clogged. If my presentation about mask culture is what has your panties in a wad, I'm not quite done yet. I still want to put another update on it, so brace your self. I was hoping to get some good ideas from people like you, but I can still do it on my own. Sassy made a great point about an exception to my logic, and I appreciate it.