Updated Covid-19 Statistics

[jimnyc]

They are on the news telling you that things are back to the highest level ever, matching things back in April. But look at the death count comparison, now and back to April. Not even remotely close.



Now I'm not saying it's all a lie and that virus numbers in certain areas have not gone up. They have. But the testing is spiking daily, but the ICU and deaths are clearly not the same as they were.

Herd immunity a little? I dunno. I will guarantee you this much though - with an incentive of $13,000 and can be upgraded to $52,000, there IS abuse of numbers taking place. And then many others will simply omit what they don't like, twist things, report one and not another, and whatever it takes to instill fear and keep it going.

Seems like the virus is a lot less lethal in some areas. And I will also guarantee you that many many out there will take tests of folks, where it comes back showing they had the virus due to antibodies showing, and they will simply count that as a positive. We have actually read about and seen this from the medical folks themselves!! But the things they can't make up easily are their folks in the ICU and people dying. And they are simply not at the same level.

I don't trust the news to tell me the truth. I don't trust the politicians. I don't even trust the hospitals much with the amount of abuse we have seen.

Now - who here has read about or seen on the news - that while cases are up, the amount of deaths appear to be nothing like what they were? I know I didn't. News in NY is having you believe things are at the worst they ever were, and we may need to lock down again and blah blah blah.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

They are on the news telling you that things are back to the highest level ever, matching things back in April. But look at the death count comparison, now and back to April. Not even remotely close.



Now I'm not saying it's all a lie and that virus numbers in certain areas have not gone up. They have. But the testing is spiking daily, but the ICU and deaths are clearly not the same as they were.

Herd immunity a little? I dunno. I will guarantee you this much though - with an incentive of $13,000 and can be upgraded to $52,000, there IS abuse of numbers taking place. And then many others will simply omit what they don't like, twist things, report one and not another, and whatever it takes to instill fear and keep it going.

Seems like the virus is a lot less lethal in some areas. And I will also guarantee you that many many out there will take tests of folks, where it comes back showing they had the virus due to antibodies showing, and they will simply count that as a positive. We have actually read about and seen this from the medical folks themselves!! But the things they can't make up easily are their folks in the ICU and people dying. And they are simply not at the same level.

I don't trust the news to tell me the truth. I don't trust the politicians. I don't even trust the hospitals much with the amount of abuse we have seen.

Now - who here has read about or seen on the news - that while cases are up, the amount of deaths appear to be nothing like what they were? I know I didn't. News in NY is having you believe things are at the worst they ever were, and we may need to lock down again and blah blah blah.

Yes, there is a covid19 virus--no it is not the fire-breathing, earth shattering deadliest monster ever!
It has been played that way-- as a political tool. a political weapon from the start.
I never bought into it and I even predicted --THEY- would use it to the maxx to weaken us, weaken this nation, disrupt our unity and grab as much power as - THEY- can grab( use it to badger, club and beat Trump).
Yes, all of that has happened and now -THEY- want to start round TWO of their damn lying.
THEY need round two- to cover for Absent-senile Joe and other things- THEY- have in the mix--including attempting greater and greater disruption and even great disunity ( greater violence).--Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

​A little something here that pertains to the thread...

"Well what do you know? States that didn't lock down have 75% lower COVID death rates than those that did!Useful info as the media and “experts” continue their screeching about a 2nd wave, and issue demands that we must once again lock down for survival."




This could be very useful information in the weeks to come, as the

media and “experts” continue their screeching about a second

wave, and issue demands that we must once again lock down for

the survival of humanity.

These are the people who always tell us they make their decisions

based on science and data, right? (Except when it comes to

determining a person’s gender.) So you’d think they’d be interested

in the now-available data that compares what happened in the 42

lockdown states compared with the eight who didn’t lock down."

More:
https://hermancain.com/know-states-d...sharingbuttons

[Kathianne]

They are on the news telling you that things are back to the highest level ever, matching things back in April. But look at the death count comparison, now and back to April. Not even remotely close.



Now I'm not saying it's all a lie and that virus numbers in certain areas have not gone up. They have. But the testing is spiking daily, but the ICU and deaths are clearly not the same as they were.

Herd immunity a little? I dunno. I will guarantee you this much though - with an incentive of $13,000 and can be upgraded to $52,000, there IS abuse of numbers taking place. And then many others will simply omit what they don't like, twist things, report one and not another, and whatever it takes to instill fear and keep it going.

Seems like the virus is a lot less lethal in some areas. And I will also guarantee you that many many out there will take tests of folks, where it comes back showing they had the virus due to antibodies showing, and they will simply count that as a positive. We have actually read about and seen this from the medical folks themselves!! But the things they can't make up easily are their folks in the ICU and people dying. And they are simply not at the same level.

I don't trust the news to tell me the truth. I don't trust the politicians. I don't even trust the hospitals much with the amount of abuse we have seen.

Now - who here has read about or seen on the news - that while cases are up, the amount of deaths appear to be nothing like what they were? I know I didn't. News in NY is having you believe things are at the worst they ever were, and we may need to lock down again and blah blah blah.

The 'hit' areas right now don't have the population of NYC, nor in all honesty does the country really care about the areas getting hit. As the earlier post I put up stated, parts of TX will go over their available ICU beds today and the numbers of beds available in the areas are coming close to capacity. Arizona is now over 87% of ICU beds. But there's no panic from those no longer heavily affected by the virus.

Like Gunny said earlier, on another thread-like 3rd or 4th thread? No panic here, but people are for the most part masking up and staying home. Yesterday was like 'we were getting hit with 28" of snow, get what you need and out."

The sickness and deaths are happening, just like in NYC, but the numbers involved are much smaller.

The docs are now more aware of what works best and alternatives to try when it doesn't.

Younger, healthier people are getting hit in numbers that didn't happen out east.

[LongTermGuy]

"Actual Number from the virus"

Wait...Joe Knows...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

"Actual Number from the virus"

Wait...Joe Knows...

And that is the imbecilic clown that --THEY- want to put in charge of the nation!
In other words, that is the puppet being used to front for Soros, Valerie Jarret, dem party and the globalists-the later
the ones that would truly be 100% in charge were idiot Joe elected..
No wonder so many are scared to death of V-19--
120 million dead, you got that straight from the horses's mouth-- umm I mean straight
from the jackass's mouth.!- --Tyr

[SassyLady]

Some more numbers ... especially Arizona.

Confirmed COVID-19 cases in Arizona hit 63,030 Thursday and nearly one-third of those cases — 19,585 — have come in the last seven days, according to data from the Arizona Department of Health Services. Arizona set its single-day high for the greatest number of new cases on Tuesday, June 23, with 3,591.
There were 3,056 new cases reported on Thursday, June 25. And as of Thursday, June 25, there have been 1,490 COVID-19 related deaths in the state, an increase of 27 from the previous day.
Here is a look at Arizona’s alarming seven-day increase:
June 19: 3,246 new cases
June 20: 3,109 new cases
June 21: 2,592 new cases
June 22: 2,196 new cases
June 23: 3,591 new cases
June 24: 1,795 new cases
June 25: 3,056 new cases
The spike in positive cases comes several weeks after the May 15 lifting of Arizona’s stay-at-home orders, when businesses began reopening, public protests that followed the deaths of black men at the hands of police, and Memorial Day weekend, when many Arizonans left their homes to celebrate.

So how do COVID-19 numbers compare nationally with other illnesses and pandemics? STAT first compared COVID-19 death projections to past pandemics and leading causes of death in early April to help Americans get a better sense of the numbers. The previous comparison used projections from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, which now estimates the death toll will be 72,433 by Aug. 4. IHME previously predicted a death toll of 60,000, which the U.S. surpassed April 29.
For the updated comparison, STAT used a model created by Youyang Gu, an independent data scientist. The model projects 88,217 to 293,381 deaths by early August.
How this projection stacks up to past pandemics and flu seasons:

1. 1918 flu pandemic: 675,000 deaths
2. COVID-19 pandemic: 88,217 to 293,381 projected deaths
3. 2017-18 flu season: 61,000 deaths
4. 2018-19 flu season: 34,200 deaths
5. 2009 swine flu pandemic: 12,469 deaths
How this projection stacks up to the nation’s leading causes of death:

1. Heart disease: 269,583 deaths
2. Cancer: 252,500 deaths (based on 2019 data)
3. COVID-19 pandemic: 88,217 to 293,381 projected deaths
4. Stroke: 60,833 deaths
5. Alzheimer’s disease: 50,417 deaths
6. Drug overdoses: 29,265 deaths
7. Suicide: 19,583 deaths

For entire article with more stats

https://azbigmedia.com/business/covi...n-last-7-days/

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Some more numbers ... especially Arizona.


For entire article with more stats

https://azbigmedia.com/business/covi...n-last-7-days/

Quite sobering reality when one looks at those numbers and realizes this nation was shut down, tens of millions jobs lost, trillions lost , trillions spent,hundreds of thousands businesses forced into permanent closure, millions of families needlessly and negatively affected -while those numbers shows what a catastrophic mistake was made and how we citizens suffered due to that deliberately insidious political STRATEGY/TACTIC/AGENDA
Yet this truth , this reality will not end up yielding justice to be brought to those that used C-19 as a weapon.
For truth is they will escape unharmed because they are the media, the dem party , the globalists- and --they- are well beyond justice because Americans have been being blinded for many decades now. By a dem engineered liberal/socialist public school system and higher education indoctrination centers-- colleges .
My guess is that it is now in too deep to ever be rectified, short of a full blown civil war...
Which would in itself very likely be our tragic demise as well, imho..
A grim outlook to say the least but one that by looking at how things are now- one that is warranted and likely to bear very evil and tragic fruits, imho..Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Does not matter what state-numbers are being manipulated to try to keep the panic going.
"THEY"-- want another wave to be going- to affect the coming election and give them more authority to take away our freedoms.
We have a shadow government within our government. And I mean one that is totally globalist controlled and one that bosses the dem party.
America had best wake up to reality.
Yes there is a C-19 virus but it does not rate to be much worse than any other virus that has come along in recent decades.
This massive unbelievable over reaction has been falsely created for political purposes and never before in history has there been such an amount of lying going on in order to attempt to stop a President .
While most Americans are blind to the fact that --"THEY" are making an undeclared war on us! FACT...
If Biden gets in -this nation will never recover... and that is in their plan too.. --Tyr

[Gunny]

Does not matter what state-numbers are being manipulated to try to keep the panic going.
"THEY"-- want another wave to be going- to affect the coming election and give them more authority to take away our freedoms.
We have a shadow government within our government. And I mean one that is totally globalist controlled and one that bosses the dem party.
America had best wake up to reality.
Yes there is a C-19 virus but it does not rate to be much worse than any other virus that has come along in recent decades.
This massive unbelievable over reaction has been falsely created for political purposes and never before in history has there been such an amount of lying going on in order to attempt to stop a President .
While most Americans are blind to the fact that --"THEY" are making an undeclared war on us! FACT...
If Biden gets in -this nation will never recover... and that is in their plan too.. --Tyr

The virus is situational. I live in one of the largest cities in the US. So do some others. It's not the same as living in the sticks. My father lives in Navarre, FL and he thinks it's bunk too. Y'all don't have a couple million city rats breathing all over you and sharing the airspace.

Sure it's being played by politics. Politics did not invent the virus. Politics isn't controlling a virus. The left is using the virus for a smokescreen. I predicted they would when it started. I'm not a politician nor have the games being played around the country been played here. Anything I can do politically I can do right here at my desk. I AM caught up in the school re-opening crap because my daughter's a teacher and two of my grandchildren go to school.

On a good day, deadly to me or not, I don't want to be sick from any kind of flu. It sucks and the older I get, the longer it lasts. I certainly do not understand what game anyone thinks is being played in that regard. If you don't wear a mask here, you can't go in the store. Some have tried to make it sound as if we're opting out on a bright sunny day for fear of rain, and such is not the case.

I see all the double standards, lies and political crap going on. None of it makes the flu go away and hope if anyone has to catch it, it's all these nimrods hiding behind it to violate the law and our society. In that regard, I have been quite clear I think it's the President's job to step in and stop these game-playing Governors and/or mayors in their tracks.

[jimnyc]

The virus is situational. I live in one of the largest cities in the US. So do some others. It's not the same as living in the sticks. My father lives in Navarre, FL and he thinks it's bunk too. Y'all don't have a couple million city rats breathing all over you and sharing the airspace.

Absolutely. It's got changing numbers in areas with different populations. Much less mass transit in some areas. Much more open space in some areas. Then areas with limited places to escape, and with mass transit around not helping things and/or different areas handling masks differently and shut downs differently. And then the weird/scary part, is that the virus has been seen to fluctuate in strength and strains. So life IS like a box of chocolates, and ya never know what you're going to get!

Mass transit in places like NYC should have been shut down, and continue until certain numbers are met. And be willing to open/shut at a moments notice when necessary. Same in other states like California, Texas or anywhere with a ton of people and a large mass transit system. I think ALL schools should go 100% virtual until further notice. While things seem to be lesser in comparison to what hit the tri-state area on the east coast, we do not want to see the same hit in every state. We are seeing California, Texas, Arizona, Florida and others. The amount of deaths are different - thus far - but evening out now. So now is not the time to continue "as is" IMO, but time to shut shit down like we did and others. It'll open back up, and then maybe be shut down again.

The goal should be to continue this downward trend, and shut things down if any individual state should even out or start to rise, and then act accordingly.

Seems like an easy decision on Monday Morning QB'n things. Make goals, monitor more than thoroughly, take precautions and shut down when necessary. But that doesn't account for loss of business or entire businesses, lost income for workers, people still need things and still need money to pay for them - ALL the things we have all long discussed. The damage was beyond incredible already. But you also can't just say "Sorry, can't afford it as a country, or as a state, so just do as-is and hope you don't die".

Looks like I somehow missed a day with Cali, don't know why the count there is less. The bold is today's numbers.


Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86

Still mainly a downward trend - but not what you would call a pretty sight. People are still rising in infections, many still hospitalized or in the ICU. And of course while lower than what it once was, folks still dying daily. And Arizona, Illinois and Florida have now evened out for 2 days. Likely means it may start upward now, but let's hope I am wrong. Illinois, now they took a jump upwards, and they also have a much higher total death count than the others. I'm really surprised that Cali has still continued downward. And of course we have Georgia, where the governor is a criminal and should be jailed. Things were handled differently and earlier there, and they too have taken a downward trend.

Ensure masks are worn, limit interactions in stores or crowds and get out of dodge. Clean with disinfectant when leaving and clean thoroughly with soap and water when back home. Stay away from anyone you know that has a compromised immune system for now. Try and protect any elderly within your family. At a bare minimum, wear the PPE whenever around any of the above. Tiny things may at least help keep the downward trend on deaths, or keep them from rising much, until we can get a successful vaccine out there.

As an aside, there are like 15 companies out there working diligently on a vaccine, and a handful are well on their way into testing phases, and a few of them are in the 30,000+ trial stage.

[Abbey Marie]

Delaware is now bad enough that NJ is requiring quarantine if we visit there.

[jimnyc]

Delaware is now bad enough that NJ is requiring quarantine if we visit there.

Yups, they have now made it 19 states, if anyone coming from them visits us, they must first quarantine for 14 days when they get here.

So they allow for a lot of "anything goes" in NY and NJ. I saw a lack of enforcement for quite a long time. The nursing homes disaster. Mass transit never shutting down. SO many mistakes were made, which they of course blame Trump for, and now they act like Gods and want to now enforce based on other states.

I can almost understand Delaware. I direct border to NJ, but still with limited deaths and infections there.

But then Kansas and Oklahoma were the other 2 states added yesterday along with Delaware. 289 deaths in Kansas and 404 in Oklahoma.

34,212 - that is total infections between the 2 states together. NOT minimizing anyone sick, as I would be terrified. And certainly not minimizing the deaths, as one death is one too many. But we're dealing with numbers and facts only when I discuss numbers.

32,243. Quite the similar number! But that is DEATHS ALONE in NY. These 2 states barely have as many infections as were dead alone in NY. 15,281 more from NJ. 47,524 deaths between NY/NJ alone.

572,115 total infections. And the places with those kinds of numbers, are the ones taking charge and not allowing for freely traveling.

Now that NY/NJ has evened out as far as new infections are concerned, is this the appropriate decisions? And specifically how many new infections/deaths does it take to be added to their long list? Maybe it is the right answer, protect the rest of the citizens. Dunno. But I think both Murphy and Cuomo are clueless and responsible for a lot of deaths.

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It'll be interesting to see as each individual state pans out, and how they handle things maybe differently than other states. How will numbers change between them. And, most important, as states deal with this virus, and some get more infections than others. And then hopefully they all take the same route and decrease and even out some. And then the wait is on for a vaccine.

But as this happens - will places like NY have a resurgence, as other places fluctuate, and time passes? I think it happens.

And we know about the fight in the beginning - and we know it was right then and right now - that the states have power over themselves, and Trump isn't in charge of telling them what to do. Until something happens, deaths, and then its time again to blame Trump for the outcome of those states own decisions.

/another long winded rant over.

[Russ]

I don't trust the news to tell me the truth.

Jim, that is very deep truth, unfortunately.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Sorry but the numbers are being faked.
This new round of hype is being pushed in order to get more people to accept the vaccine.
The vaccine is the greater threat --more than likely, imho...
As those hellbent on pushing it, definitely have a hidden agenda..
One that fits in well with agenda of The New World Order. ----Tyr