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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    More less what I've been saying and pointing out. While places comparatively with numbers may not scream the same as NY, NY morgue's are a little bigger and a lot more of them. For example, NY on bad days may have had let's say 92% filled... and now other places may very well see similar numbers with overloads in the morgues and ICU units, but the numbers only don't add up the same due to the population and density. It wouldn't make sense for a smaller state with more rural areas to achieve the same numbers.

    So the damage done to the communities, and overloads at hospitals, and overworked nurses and doctors, and loaded morgues... all work out, proportionately speaking.

    That's why I prefaced many things in the past with not to diminish things, things aren't the same in areas, so many reasons as to why they look different, and back to the population and density again. And of course shows and explains why 500-900+ deaths today, and 2400-4000 back in April/March and such are hitting various areas in the same manner.

    I knew/know that some likely see it as diminishing what is happening anyway, but of course was never my intent. I tried my best to explain why the number differences, and what I thought made up for those differences. But at the same time, showing lower overall rates and such, to include the latest realities - of the younger getting more sick and other things that also may account for the rising infections and not as many total deaths.

    And then I do think strains and areas handling differently also made a difference. Look what happened in NY, and now unfortunately California is slowly catching up on those infections, but the deaths are not nearly similar. But I do believe that any individual state vs state example like that, will introduce many many reasons as to why they are different.

    I do hear you and understand your intent. What I think though is the death rates are rising, not flat-lining. The numbers of deaths from the virus appear to be minimized though by the falling death rates elsewhere. So, while it may look one way, the warning is in the still dangerous threat posed, especially when it looks more than likely that upticks in eastern/midwest may be pointing to a true second wave, not continuation of what we're seeing in the South/Southwest?


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    These are the numbers as of today, but obviously not fully update, at least not Arizona. They're reporting one less death than yesterday and about 3,000 new cases. I expect both to change.

    Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20
    Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86
    California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03 2.02
    Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45 1.42
    Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31 2.26
    Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65 4.60

    3,748,705 US total cases

    381,217 confirmed
    California US
    7,702 deaths +89

    350,037 confirmed
    Florida US
    4,981 deaths +86

    327,106 confirmed
    Texas US
    3,939 deaths +119

    162,750 confirmed
    Illinois US
    7,488 deaths +23

    141,265 confirmed
    Arizona US
    2,730 deaths -1 ??

    139,880 confirmed
    Georgia US
    3,169 deaths +37

    13,519 confirmed
    Delaware US
    523 deaths

    406,807 confirmed
    New York US
    32,490 deaths +16

    Yesterday there were 63,698 new confirmed cases & 853 deaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    These are the numbers as of today, but obviously not fully update, at least not Arizona. They're reporting one less death than yesterday and about 3,000 new cases. I expect both to change.

    Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20
    Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86
    California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03 2.02
    Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45 1.42
    Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31 2.26
    Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65 4.60

    3,748,705 US total cases

    381,217 confirmed
    California US
    7,702 deaths +89

    350,037 confirmed
    Florida US
    4,981 deaths +86

    327,106 confirmed
    Texas US
    3,939 deaths +119

    162,750 confirmed
    Illinois US
    7,488 deaths +23

    141,265 confirmed
    Arizona US
    2,730 deaths -1 ??

    139,880 confirmed
    Georgia US
    3,169 deaths +37

    13,519 confirmed
    Delaware US
    523 deaths

    406,807 confirmed
    New York US
    32,490 deaths +16

    Yesterday there were 63,698 new confirmed cases & 853 deaths.

    Thanks Jim! This is from the link at post above this one:

    Arizona health officials on Saturday reported a daily record 147 additional deaths from the coronavirus and 2,742 additional confirmed cases but said both numbers reflected unusual circumstances.


    The Department of Health Services said the additional deaths included 106 newly attributed to COVID-19 after health officials' latest periodic reviews of death certificates.
    Officials also say the additional cases did not include figures from a laboratory that missed the reporting cutoff.


    The department said the missed data will be reported Sunday.

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    Trying to post these numbers around the same time best I can. And repeat daily. They're the official stats, and while maybe not perfect every day at such a time, but over a 3/5/7 day period, you will end up with the full numbers.

    Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.19
    Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86 1.91
    California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03 2.02 1.99
    Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45 1.42 1.40
    Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31 2.26 2.21
    Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65 4.60 4.57

    3,804,907 US total cases

    387,322 confirmed
    California US
    7,718 deaths +16

    360,394 confirmed
    Florida US
    5,072 deaths +91

    336,301 confirmed
    Texas US
    4,014 deaths +75

    163,922 confirmed
    Illinois US
    7,494 deaths +6

    145,183 confirmed
    Arizona US
    2,784 deaths +54

    143,129 confirmed
    Georgia US
    3,174 deaths +5

    13,519 confirmed
    Delaware US
    523 deaths

    407,326 confirmed
    New York US
    32,506 deaths +16

    Yesterday there were 61,847 new confirmed* cases & 415 deaths.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Almost forgot today! Actually, noted them earlier and just forgot to post them. So I'll add in up until tonight as well, and nothing much changed at all anyway.

    New York, then California, Florida & Texas. They got it better than New York did, by far. As in, apparently were prepared for it better and handled it better.... different strains, better mask wearing, less nursing home deaths... whatever makes up for the differences, there ARE differences for whatever reason. Cali, Florida & Texas are catching up with the total infections number that NY had/has. Those 3 states total deaths added together make up half of what NY has.

    Was NY that incompetent with Cuomo at the helm? Because NY was one of the first and learning as they went? A different set of strains? (just guessing there)... just drives me nuts trying to figure out the differences in different states, and what causes these differences.

    Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.19 1.19
    Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86 1.91 1.96
    California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03 2.02 1.99 1.93
    Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45 1.42 1.40 1.40
    Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31 2.26 2.21 2.18
    Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65 4.60 4.57 4.55

    3,891,893 US total cases

    404,848 confirmed
    California US
    7,816 deaths +98

    369,834 confirmed
    Florida US
    5,206 deaths +134

    349,812 confirmed
    Texas US
    4,179 deaths +165

    164,864 confirmed
    Illinois US
    7,517 deaths +23

    148,683 confirmed
    Arizona US
    2,918 deaths +134

    148,988 confirmed
    Georgia US
    3,254 deaths +3

    13,746 confirmed
    Delaware US
    525 deaths +2

    408,181 confirmed
    New York US
    32,520 deaths +14

    Yesterday there were 61,417 new confirmed* cases & 379 deaths. (** also, these sets of totals here that I list come from elsewhere, hence them not adding up the same. But they will in the end **)
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    A glimmer of hope and then back to 1,000 deaths again.

    Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.19 1.19 1.20
    Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86 1.91 1.96
    California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03 2.02 1.99 1.94 1.92
    Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45 1.42 1.40 1.40 1.40
    Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31 2.26 2.21 2.18
    Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65 4.60 4.57 4.57 4.52

    3,940,592 US total cases

    409,598 confirmed
    California US
    7,890 deaths +74

    379,619 confirmed
    Florida US
    5,345 deaths +139

    353,091 confirmed
    Texas US
    4,270 deaths +91

    166,475 confirmed
    Illinois US
    7,540 deaths +23

    150,618 confirmed
    Arizona US
    2,918 deaths (infections added but deaths not added yet)

    152,307 confirmed
    Georgia US
    3,336 deaths +82

    13,792 confirmed
    Delaware US
    527 deaths +2

    408,886 confirmed
    New York US
    32,526 deaths +6

    Yesterday there were 64,534 new confirmed & 1,082 deaths.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    It does appear to be receding in South/Southwest. Time will tell.


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    Not much of anything today from Illinois and Arizona, I'll update them later. But dang, even without them, the numbers don't look good the past few days, and I know neither of them 2 states are any better.

    2 days in a row with over 1,000 deaths and I see several growing - Cali is the new leader and growing quickly. Florida catching up, and Texas is getting it bad. ALL bad, but those as I post daily I see the deaths going up the most.

    And then you have places like New York, thinking its over, "only" 32 deaths (that will rise with the count as well). Another 700+ cases yesterday after 855 the day before. Like I said, it WILL be coming back, mark my words now.


    Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.19 1.19 1.20 1.22
    Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86 1.91 1.96 1.97
    California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03 2.02 1.99 1.94 1.92 1.91
    Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45 1.42 1.40 1.40 1.40 1.41
    Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31 2.26 2.21 2.18 2.18
    Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65 4.60 4.57 4.57 4.52

    3,987,584 US total cases

    421,462 confirmed
    California US
    8,050 deaths +160

    389,868 confirmed
    Florida US
    5,518 deaths +173

    363,615 confirmed
    Texas US
    4,439 deaths +169

    166,475 confirmed
    Illinois US
    7,540 deaths

    150,609 confirmed
    Arizona US
    2,974 deaths

    152,302 confirmed
    Georgia US
    3,335 deaths

    13,792 confirmed
    Delaware US
    527 deaths

    408,886 confirmed
    New York US
    32,558 deaths +32

    Yesterday there were 71,695 new confirmed* cases & 1,195 deaths.
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    @jimnyc

    Not great news, but better than bad:

    https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-in...6dd3ef5c6.html

    Coronavirus infections are slowing down in critical hotspots
    Axios
    Sam Baker, Andrew Witherspoon



    Data: The COVID Tracking Project, state health departments; Map: Andrew Witherspoon, Danielle Alberti, Sara Wise/Axios
    The pace of new coronavirus cases slowed over the past week, but things are still getting worse in most of the country.
    The big picture: After weeks of explosive growth, the number of new infections in the U.S. is still climbing — but not quite as fast as it has been.
    By the numbers: The number of new coronavirus cases in the U.S. shot up by over 20% per week for the past month.

    • This week, it rose by a comparatively modest 7%.
    • That doesn't mean we're getting better. The U.S. may be leveling off, but it’s leveling off at a very high rate of infection. The country is averaging roughly 66,000 new cases per day.

    Several of the worst hotspots experienced slower growth this week than they have throughout July.

    • New confirmed infections rose by 3% last week in Texas, and by 9% in California. Florida’s caseload did not change. Arizona saw its second consecutive week of improvement.
    • Arizona was one of only five states to experience a significant decline in new infections over the past week, while 24 states, along with Washington, D.C. and Puerto Rico, saw increases of at least 10%.

    Between the lines: Axios uses a rolling seven-day average to minimize the effects of any abnormalities in how and when new cases are reported.
    The bottom line: 66,000 new cases per day is a recipe for overworked hospitals, strained supply lines, prolonged school closures and, of course, thousands of preventable deaths.



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    Hey @Kathianne

    My concern is the total daily and then the daily deaths, and trends. 71,000 new cases is a lot still. And when one area seems to drop some, another makes up for the numbers. And then the one that dropped will go back up again, and back and forth for now. And it's traveling out west and into the south and mid. It hit the Upper West, some of upper middle, of course the northeast. And those places have slowly gotten better as it's now traveled to parts out western. But will it float back again? If one person can get infected again months later, then surely an entire area is susceptible to it returning, IMO.

    I just see this damn thing fluctuating around, and traveling around taking it's sweet 'ol time leaving destruction in it's wake. And if it continues like that, and then returns and repeats, then we're in big trouble until that vaccine is found.

    We'll see IF it comes back East for example, and if states are better prepared? Will rates be lower and deaths lower? Will it do the same again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Hey @Kathianne

    My concern is the total daily and then the daily deaths, and trends. 71,000 new cases is a lot still. And when one area seems to drop some, another makes up for the numbers. And then the one that dropped will go back up again, and back and forth for now. And it's traveling out west and into the south and mid. It hit the Upper West, some of upper middle, of course the northeast. And those places have slowly gotten better as it's now traveled to parts out western. But will it float back again? If one person can get infected again months later, then surely an entire area is susceptible to it returning, IMO.

    I just see this damn thing fluctuating around, and traveling around taking it's sweet 'ol time leaving destruction in it's wake. And if it continues like that, and then returns and repeats, then we're in big trouble until that vaccine is found.

    We'll see IF it comes back East for example, and if states are better prepared? Will rates be lower and deaths lower? Will it do the same again?
    It seems like it's lowering in AZ, once Ducey finally made some moves and most cities put in mandated masks. I've felt for awhile that the east may be moving into 2nd wave. IL numbers going up, along with NY (more slowly, but still moving in the wrong direction), IN, and others that were first hit in Spring.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    It seems like it's lowering in AZ, once Ducey finally made some moves and most cities put in mandated masks. I've felt for awhile that the east may be moving into 2nd wave. IL numbers going up, along with NY (more slowly, but still moving in the wrong direction), IN, and others that were first hit in Spring.
    But... but... masks don’t work.
    @Evmetro

    Meanwhile, NJ put Delaware back on its Naughty List. Once again, we cancel our outdoor dinner at the shore.

    If Maine should follow suit, another vacation this year will be cancelled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    But... but... masks don’t work.
    @Evmetro

    Meanwhile, NJ put Delaware back on its Naughty List. Once again, we cancel our outdoor dinner at the shore.

    If Maine should follow suit, another vacation this year will be cancelled.
    It's all very concerning. Lots of speculation that Ducey is going to again delay in school starts. Lots of pressure to go with data, not calendar. We'll see.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    But... but... masks don’t work.
    @Evmetro

    Meanwhile, NJ put Delaware back on its Naughty List. Once again, we cancel our outdoor dinner at the shore.

    If Maine should follow suit, another vacation this year will be cancelled.
    From day one I was touting the better N95/99 masks and the Chinese and European equivalents. Then surgical masks and all kinds of other protections. I didn't need the SG to tell me they don't work, or the MSM or Dems to tell me they did. And these lead to cloth masks and more for me, each for a certain setting and need. Part out of necessity and part out of personal health awareness and protecting my family.

    I didn't believe the dang surgeon general when he begged us to NOT buy masks, and I don't believe him now begging FOR people to wear them. Why? He's got it right this time, but lying still, about why he said what he did and things evolving changed his mind. Nope - sorry, full of shit. They worked prior to this and will after. He lied for supply reasons, and now again to cover his ass.

    And why in the world did NJ do that? Seems Delaware is doing great, IMO.
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