Jury Fear, not due process, lead to Chauvin verdict

[fj1200]

Maybe so but he was guilty of something.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Maybe so but he was guilty of something.

Lightning strike.
All the years and the first time that I have ever agreed with you.

And they say miracles never happen..-Tyr

[revelarts]

hmmm
"Jury Fear, not due process, lead to Chauvin verdict."

OK so.
everyone on the jury was afraid?... of Maxine waters? and Sleepy Joe?

If any of you were on the Jury would you have been afraid? and voted guilty on all counts becasue of your fear?
Do we have any evidence for the idea that the everyone on the jury was afraid?

Aren't jury members supposed be sequestered from Media reports during their time on a trial?
maybe i'm wrong, but I thought Waters comments came DURING the trial.
the reason I'm not sure is because I never saw her comments. I'm still not sure what she said. When i checked on "news" about the trial I didn't click on any that had her name in it.
Not sure why I should assume that the Jury was hanging on the words of Maxine Waters... instead of the testimony of the Medical Examiner that did the autopsy, the city Police Chief, training officers, the Pulmonologist, the wrestler, the 911 dispatcher, other wittiness... and the Video.

Should we assume that NONE of that is nearly close enough to convince people that a police officer, Chauvin, was actually guilty?
and that "the REAL" cause for the guilty verdict was fear of Maxine Waters... or something?
seriously?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

hmmm
"Jury Fear, not due process, lead to Chauvin verdict."

OK so.
everyone on the jury was afraid?... of Maxine waters? and Sleepy Joe?

If any of you were on the Jury would you have been afraid? and voted guilty on all counts becasue of your fear?
Do we have any evidence for the idea that the everyone on the jury was afraid?

Aren't jury members supposed be sequestered from Media reports during their time on a trial?
maybe i'm wrong, but I thought Waters comments came DURING the trial.
the reason I'm not sure is because I never saw her comments. I'm still not sure what she said. When i checked on "news" about the trial I didn't click on any that had her name in it.
Not sure why I should assume that the Jury was hanging on the words of Maxine Waters... instead of the testimony of the Medical Examiner that did the autopsy, the city Police Chief, training officers, the Pulmonologist, the wrestler, the 911 dispatcher, other wittiness... and the Video.

Should we assume that NONE of that is nearly close enough to convince people that a police officer, Chauvin, was actually guilty?
and that "the REAL" cause for the guilty verdict was fear of Maxine Waters... or something?
seriously?

CHAUVIN in the video was obviously inflicting as much pressure as he could to hurt Floyd. hell you can see it in his face--they knew each other and did not like each other. I'd voted guilty on the most serious of charges . Chauvin is a bad cop.
I've seen several in my youth. And I wanted to spit on those ffing bastards.--Tyr

[jimnyc]

CHAUVIN in the video was obviously inflicting as much pressure as he could to hurt Floyd. hell you can see it in his face--they knew each other and did not like each other. I'd voted guilty on the most serious of charges . Chauvin is a bad cop.
I've seen several in my youth. And I wanted to spit on those ffing bastards.--Tyr

What I wonder as well, did previous interactions or working together as security at a club? Did it perhaps have something to do with his extra weight on him? Punishing him in a manner? We'll never know, but with another officer asking to put him on his side, and all the people telling him he can't breathe and he just knelt there with a straight face.

[fj1200]

OK so.
everyone on the jury was afraid?... of Maxine waters? and Sleepy Joe?

Maybe we'll get an idea of that if/when the jury starts to talk.

What I wonder as well, did previous interactions or working together as security at a club? Did it perhaps have something to do with his extra weight on him? Punishing him in a manner? We'll never know, but with another officer asking to put him on his side, and all the people telling him he can't breathe and he just knelt there with a straight face.

But they didn't spend any time talking about that did they? If they didn't I'd lean more towards manslaughter and away from murder.

[jimnyc]

Maybe we'll get an idea of that if/when the jury starts to talk.



But they didn't spend any time talking about that did they? If they didn't I'd lean more towards manslaughter and away from murder.

I just see a huge difference between manslaughter & murder. And look, I don't care if he rots in there as he deserves to - but just the analyzing part in me looking at the case as a whole is all.

The law of 2nd degree murder in Minnesota is stricter though and applies to more. And the more I read the statute I can see who they proved it to the jury.

Here is the text:

609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

Subdivision 1. Intentional murder; drive-by shootings. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:

(1) causes the death of a human being with intent to effect the death of that person or another, but without premeditation; or

(2) causes the death of a human being while committing or attempting to commit a drive-by shooting in violation of section 609.66, subdivision 1e, under circumstances other than those described in section 609.185, paragraph (a), clause (3).

§Subd. 2.Unintentional murders. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:

(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

To me, it looks like it would apply to Subdivision 2 Part 1 and the Unintentional murder, which comes with the same sentencing guidelines. I guess they all fall under the same umbrella. So they would have to believe that Chauvin was committing a felony with force of violence. I can see that and them coming to that conclusion. I think manslaughter applies as well, but this one is tougher and I can see them having convicted of the man charges and not the murder.

Either way, he was guilty of something as you said.

[jimnyc]

hmmm
"Jury Fear, not due process, lead to Chauvin verdict."

OK so.
everyone on the jury was afraid?... of Maxine waters? and Sleepy Joe?

If any of you were on the Jury would you have been afraid? and voted guilty on all counts becasue of your fear?
Do we have any evidence for the idea that the everyone on the jury was afraid?

Aren't jury members supposed be sequestered from Media reports during their time on a trial?
maybe i'm wrong, but I thought Waters comments came DURING the trial.
the reason I'm not sure is because I never saw her comments. I'm still not sure what she said. When i checked on "news" about the trial I didn't click on any that had her name in it.
Not sure why I should assume that the Jury was hanging on the words of Maxine Waters... instead of the testimony of the Medical Examiner that did the autopsy, the city Police Chief, training officers, the Pulmonologist, the wrestler, the 911 dispatcher, other wittiness... and the Video.

Should we assume that NONE of that is nearly close enough to convince people that a police officer, Chauvin, was actually guilty?
and that "the REAL" cause for the guilty verdict was fear of Maxine Waters... or something?
seriously?

Honestly Rev, I don't think it was fear from anything Waters said or Biden. Because they were sequestered. I don't know if they could have violated that but difficult if kept sequestered somewhere. As for Waters - her words have and will have more of an effect on the streets. No doubt, she was wrong, and just the appearance alone could be enough for the courts to overturn the verdict. But I don't think they knew what she said and didn't effect their verdict.

I think it was down to Chauvin's own actions on video - versus whether or not he acted reasonably, and also the drugs and other issues with George. No way he acted reasonably. Just no way, not what I watched. He's guilty for sure, just the murder count I'm not sure of. And the jury believed that Chauvin's actions and contribution to his inability to breathe was more likely than accompanying factors.

I respect their decision. Just not all of the particulars is all. But since his foot was off the ground told me he was putting his weight into it, and that's what I cannot forget.

[fj1200]

Lightning strike.
All the years and the first time that I have ever agreed with you.

And they say miracles never happen..-Tyr

I know it's not the first.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I know it's not the first.

Perhaps so.
But my memory being so prone to failing, its seems to be so to me..-Tyr