Jury Fear, not due process, lead to Chauvin verdict

[jimnyc]

CHAUVIN in the video was obviously inflicting as much pressure as he could to hurt Floyd. hell you can see it in his face--they knew each other and did not like each other. I'd voted guilty on the most serious of charges . Chauvin is a bad cop.
I've seen several in my youth. And I wanted to spit on those ffing bastards.--Tyr

What I wonder as well, did previous interactions or working together as security at a club? Did it perhaps have something to do with his extra weight on him? Punishing him in a manner? We'll never know, but with another officer asking to put him on his side, and all the people telling him he can't breathe and he just knelt there with a straight face.

[fj1200]

OK so.
everyone on the jury was afraid?... of Maxine waters? and Sleepy Joe?

Maybe we'll get an idea of that if/when the jury starts to talk.

What I wonder as well, did previous interactions or working together as security at a club? Did it perhaps have something to do with his extra weight on him? Punishing him in a manner? We'll never know, but with another officer asking to put him on his side, and all the people telling him he can't breathe and he just knelt there with a straight face.

But they didn't spend any time talking about that did they? If they didn't I'd lean more towards manslaughter and away from murder.

[jimnyc]

Maybe we'll get an idea of that if/when the jury starts to talk.



But they didn't spend any time talking about that did they? If they didn't I'd lean more towards manslaughter and away from murder.

I just see a huge difference between manslaughter & murder. And look, I don't care if he rots in there as he deserves to - but just the analyzing part in me looking at the case as a whole is all.

The law of 2nd degree murder in Minnesota is stricter though and applies to more. And the more I read the statute I can see who they proved it to the jury.

Here is the text:

609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

Subdivision 1. Intentional murder; drive-by shootings. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:

(1) causes the death of a human being with intent to effect the death of that person or another, but without premeditation; or

(2) causes the death of a human being while committing or attempting to commit a drive-by shooting in violation of section 609.66, subdivision 1e, under circumstances other than those described in section 609.185, paragraph (a), clause (3).

§Subd. 2.Unintentional murders. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:

(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

To me, it looks like it would apply to Subdivision 2 Part 1 and the Unintentional murder, which comes with the same sentencing guidelines. I guess they all fall under the same umbrella. So they would have to believe that Chauvin was committing a felony with force of violence. I can see that and them coming to that conclusion. I think manslaughter applies as well, but this one is tougher and I can see them having convicted of the man charges and not the murder.

Either way, he was guilty of something as you said.

[fj1200]

I just see a huge difference between manslaughter & murder. And look, I don't care if he rots in there as he deserves to - but just the analyzing part in me looking at the case as a whole is all.

The law of 2nd degree murder in Minnesota is stricter though and applies to more. And the more I read the statute I can see who they proved it to the jury.

Here is the text:



To me, it looks like it would apply to Subdivision 2 Part 1 and the Unintentional murder, which comes with the same sentencing guidelines. I guess they all fall under the same umbrella. So they would have to believe that Chauvin was committing a felony with force of violence. I can see that and them coming to that conclusion. I think manslaughter applies as well, but this one is tougher and I can see them having convicted of the man charges and not the murder.

Either way, he was guilty of something as you said.

while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense

The above part is what I get caught on. Not sure what felony offense he was committing but I didn't watch enough to know the whole thing. I wouldn't be surprised if some of it gets knocked down on appeal. Still be in prison for a good long time.

[jimnyc]

The above part is what I get caught on. Not sure what felony offense he was committing but I didn't watch enough to know the whole thing. I wouldn't be surprised if some of it gets knocked down on appeal. Still be in prison for a good long time.

Same here, but I think they believed that he committed a felony by his actions on his neck. I suppose if they think his actions were so egregious and beyond policy to the level of criminal. Only thing that may make sense to me. But the manslaughter charges are easy to make a case against him.