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    Default Rep. Liz Cheney could lose GOP leadership role over her criticism of Trump.

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    Rep. Liz Cheney could lose GOP leadership role over her criticism of Trump. What does that mean?
    Jeanine Santucci, USA TODAY 2 hrs ago


    WASHINGTON – Rep. Liz Cheney, the House Republican Conference chair from Wyoming, is in hot water with her party. Her refusal to accept former President Donald Trump's false claims the 2020 election was stolen is angering her Republican colleagues and putting her leadership role at risk.

    a woman wearing a costume: Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., attends a press conference following a House Republican caucus meeting on Capitol Hill on April 14, 2021 in Washington.© Drew Angerer, Getty Images Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., attends a press conference following a House Republican caucus meeting on Capitol Hill on April 14, 2021 in Washington.
    Major party leaders are dissatisfied with her. Trump and No. 2 House Republican Rep. Steve Scalise want her replaced with Rep. Elise Stefanik, and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., said House Republicans told him they're worried about her "ability to carry out the job."


    If Cheney loses her position as the third-ranking House Republican, it would cause more than just a major shakeup in GOP congressional leadership – it would further signal the party’s interest in keeping Trump and his wing of the GOP front and center as they try to flip Democratic control of Congress and push against President Joe Biden.

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    Cheney herself cast it in more stark terms, writing a blistering Washington Post editorial Wednesday in which she framed the Republican Party as "at a turning point" in whether it will choose "truth and fidelity to the Constitution" or the "cult of personality" of Trump.

    Liz Cheney: Trump, No. 2 House Republican Steve Scalise throw support behind Elise Stefanik for Liz Cheney's leadership post

    The Republican caucus was expected to meet Wednesday behind closed doors, though Scalise spokeswoman Lauren Fine said no formal vote or discussion on Cheney's future has been announced.

    But the wave of criticism has drawn out support for Stefanik, a pro-Trump Republican who gained wide recognition over her staunch support of the former president during his first impeachment.

    On Wednesday, Scalise became the first in Republican leadership to publicly call for Cheney’s removal and endorse Stefanik to replace her. Trump endorsed Stefanik as well in a statement Wednesday.

    Cheney has repeatedly said the Republican Party needs to move on from its association with Trump, but the pushback she faces means the party isn’t ready to do that, said Bryan Gervais, associate professor of political science at the University of Texas at San Antonio and author of “Reactionary Republicanism: How the Tea Party in the House Paved the Way for Trump’s Victory.” The pressure to replace Cheney is some of the strongest evidence yet of Trump’s hold on congressional Republicans, he said.

    "I was always skeptical that the party would quickly try to break away from Trump and his image, and this is sort of what we’re seeing right now," Gervais said. "For the time being, it’s still Trump’s party, and Republican elites have made the call that sticking close to Trump is the best bet for retaking Congress."


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    Cheney is one of 10 Republicans in the House who voted to impeach Trump the second time after he was accused of inciting the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol. Since then, she has repeatedly pushed back on “the big lie” that widespread election fraud was the cause of Trump's election loss.

    “The 2020 presidential election was not stolen. Anyone who claims it was is spreading THE BIG LIE, turning their back on the rule of law, and poisoning our democratic system,” Cheney tweeted this week in response to a Trump statement in which he again said the election was “fraudulent.”

    Election integrity is now a "cover for the 'stop the steal' movement" that Republicans will look to as a midterm election issue, according to former Rep. Denver Riggleman, R-Va., chief strategist for the Network Contagion Research Institute, which tracks and exposes misinformation on social media.

    Who is Liz Cheney? House Republicans' No. 3, daughter of a VP, Trump critic

    The 2022 midterms are expected to be a massive test of whether Trump's sway translates to electoral wins. Democrats hold just slight advantages in the House and Senate, and Republicans are pushing to win them back to counter Biden's agenda.

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    Hell no. The correct move would be to kick her completely out of the Republican party.
    Let her join the opposition party since that is where her loyalties lies.
    She is nothing but a damn certified traitor.
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    There's nothing goog about this for conservatives nor the GOP, regardless outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    There's nothing goog about this for conservatives nor the GOP, regardless outcome.
    You're looking at the big picture, just so passe.

    You're just supposed to hear the call and follow. We call those on the other side that do this lemmings or sheep, but on the right they call themselves patriots.

    It's both sides that are changing definitions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    You're looking at the big picture, just so passe.

    You're just supposed to hear the call and follow. We call those on the other side that do this lemmings or sheep, but on the right they call themselves patriots.

    It's both sides that are changing definitions.
    A mighty big difference between those that simply--CALL- themselves patriots and those that truly are patriots.
    Sad that some people can not tell the difference between the two, imho.
    Of course truth is - some do not want to tell the difference when broad-blasting in order to vilify true patriots.
    Some of us know exactly what we are and do not give a damn if others doubt it.
    We state our beliefs and will defend such - come earthquakes, cannon fire, hell or highwater.
    Can not get any more plain than that. -Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Hell no. The correct move would be to kick her completely out of the Republican party.
    Let her join the opposition party since that is where her loyalties lies.
    She is nothing but a damn certified traitor.
    Daughter of a VP- WHO THE FF CARES.--Tyr
    A liar, and a self-serving turncoat, imho-- --Tyr

    If they throw her out, she looks like Churchill, and they look like petty little men. It will make the GOP look stupid and weak, like it can’t tolerate dissent. Republicans like to call for diversity of thought on college campuses, I've seen folks post here railing about it. What about in the GOP? Nope, too weak and myopic. They're not stripping her of her position because they think she’s wrong. They know she is right. They know Trump lost and Biden won. They just don’t want her to say it. They don’t want to antagonize constituents who believe the election was stolen because they are afraid to lose their seat. Why? Because no matter how pro-Trump they show themselves to be, there is always someone back in their district who’s Trumpier. They’re nervous and scared, they fear a primary challenge, and they know that should they acknowledge the truth, they're next for the inquisition. Cowards one and all.

    Fact: Cheney supported Trump on policy issues, in many instances more often than those who want her gone, and absolutely more often than Elise Stefanik.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Hell no. The correct move would be to kick her completely out of the Republican party.
    Let her join the opposition party since that is where her loyalties lies.
    She is nothing but a damn certified traitor.
    Daughter of a VP- WHO THE FF CARES.--Tyr
    A liar, and a self-serving turncoat, imho-- --Tyr
    Purges rhyme with the left not the right. Besides they're apparently thinking about replacing Cheney with a Representative from NY. Cheney apparently voted almost completely with the trump agenda and the lady rep from NY apparently voted almost completely against it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hjmick View Post
    If they throw her out, she looks like Churchill, and they look like petty little men. It will make the GOP look stupid and weak, like it can’t tolerate dissent. Republicans like to call for diversity of thought on college campuses, I've seen folks post here railing about it. What about in the GOP? Nope, too weak and myopic. They're not stripping her of her position because they think she’s wrong. They know she is right. They know Trump lost and Biden won. They just don’t want her to say it. They don’t want to antagonize constituents who believe the election was stolen because they are afraid to lose their seat. Why? Because no matter how pro-Trump they show themselves to be, there is always someone back in their district who’s Trumpier. They’re nervous and scared, they fear a primary challenge, and they know that should they acknowledge the truth, they're next for the inquisition. Cowards one and all.

    Fact: Cheney supported Trump on policy issues, in many instances more often than those who want her gone, and absolutely more often than Elise Stefanik.


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    That was ridiculously well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hjmick View Post
    If they throw her out, she looks like Churchill, and they look like petty little men. It will make the GOP look stupid and weak, like it can’t tolerate dissent. Republicans like to call for diversity of thought on college campuses, I've seen folks post here railing about it. What about in the GOP? Nope, too weak and myopic. They're not stripping her of her position because they think she’s wrong. They know she is right. They know Trump lost and Biden won. They just don’t want her to say it. They don’t want to antagonize constituents who believe the election was stolen because they are afraid to lose their seat. Why? Because no matter how pro-Trump they show themselves to be, there is always someone back in their district who’s Trumpier. They’re nervous and scared, they fear a primary challenge, and they know that should they acknowledge the truth, they're next for the inquisition. Cowards one and all.

    Fact: Cheney supported Trump on policy issues, in many instances more often than those who want her gone, and absolutely more often than Elise Stefanik.


    If anyone wonders why I left the Republican Party after spending most of my life proudly registered, it is because of what they have become. A sad shadow of what they used to be.
    Second this and what fj wrote.

    It's become a party of bend the knee, has nothing to do with principles., much less policies.


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    Default Totally agree about Republicans.

    There are so few trusted Republicans left among all of the RINO's. It's almost like the Left Over R's of the Elites all became GELDINGS a long time ago.

    We can all name the few Republicans we still trust, but the 'R' for most of them is just symbolic as they play the WAKA MOLE game of appeaseing Democrats who have controlled them for so long.

    In other words. We all know and can name the FEW who have the COURAGE, while the others are pure Wussies who only care...like their Liberal Counterparts...for their careers, Power, and Control over a GROWING, INTELLECTUALLY STARVED Population.
    I may be older than most. I may say things not everybody will like.
    But despite all of that. I will never lower myself to the level of Liars, Haters, Cheats, and Hypocrites.
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    Case on point: Look what it's done and doing to just the people on this board. Every word measured by which friend/associate one is going to piss off.

    Might as well plan on finding the next closest thing to a democracy and moving. Our nation is in peril of disappearing while the right is too busy infighting over one, OBE person.

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    IMO, simply get past the Trump era & any negativity that may be in the air, deserved or not. Fix the party, in many ways. Cheney out - but not now and not for reasons such as this. Nope, toss her along with other rino's. No more Cheney, no more Romney, out with Susan Collins & Lisa Murkowski has got to go. And not for said reasons but for the long term interest of the "party". They need to get back to roots and also get back to a unified party.

    And while ganging together and tossing her ass sounds nice, we just need the appropriate and better people to run and get them voted out, the right way. Easier than said with some as they have constituents to answer to if they are are appropriately representing, which is rare anymore. Not much to be done if they muster the votes. But at the same time, absolutely no need for someone not in support of the party, to get excluded from committees and any leadership roles of course. And she's not even the worst, not nearly. Murkowski & Collins should get top bill IMO, right after Romney.

    When push comes to shove, at the end of the day, the Democrats work together the best they can as a party. When that push comes to shove in the republican party, too much fragmentation right now and they get the ** end of the stick.

    You would think some of these folks were democrats based on their voting history and things they find worthy of speaking out against and in support of.

    What does the party stand for? What are it's core principles? What things are priority?

    And if an when they can get back to basics and figure out who they are again - then they need to find new future leadership. I'm not sure I see it right now. That's me and my opinion though and perhaps others already see some future prospects.

    If "I" were in charge, she would get the axe by dawn, and the rest would have been gone by noon. That's why I'm not in charge of jack shit!! But they need to rebuild in a manner, and rebuild in record time if they don't want to get completely trounced never to return from the brink from the current incompetent administration with disaster on deck in case of emergency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Case on point: Look what it's done and doing to just the people on this board. Every word measured by which friend/associate one is going to piss off.

    Might as well plan on finding the next closest thing to a democracy and moving. Our nation is in peril of disappearing while the right is too busy infighting over one, OBE person.
    Not me and never has been.

    I am NEVER afraid to speak my mind and speak my stances. No different than any other time, quite easy for someone to express themselves and explain themselves in a friendly succinct manner. And I would hope for the same from my friends/associates, hopefully leaning more towards friends when speaking of here. When speaking of friends, so long as I treat them as such, I shouldn't have to worry much about what I say. Just as I remain that same thing in return. Plenty of my friends have had a differing opinion all throughout Trump's term and other individual issues. Is what it is and I never expect anyone, friends, to have identical opinions. Hell, I speak with my Dad and brother more than anyone else, and we don't fully agree on everything, but hell, we even laugh about some of it. And my other brother is a flaming liberal, and I let him get away with it.

    That said, I get what you're saying 100% and have seen a lot change in real life, and likely many of you have seen it as well. My aunt basically dissed me left and right in the beginning, collateral damage. Which then turned into questioning me damage, which then lead into 'canceling' aka deleting me aka never to have heard from again. And yup, folks out there nervous or afraid of stepping on one another's toes. But if a friend there shouldn't be anything to worry about. I just mind what I say a tad, I try to no speak rudely when it's a friend ever, and hope they return the favor. I don't or won't ever get angry or hold a grudge over dumb politics at the end of the day.

    I try to reserve that for unknown quantity liberals & bald guys.

    I also agree about our country and as we know it being in peril. All that our founding fathers believed in the most and what they saw the country as - is changing. Already too much has been altered for my liking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Not me and never has been.

    I am NEVER afraid to speak my mind and speak my stances. No different than any other time, quite easy for someone to express themselves and explain themselves in a friendly succinct manner. And I would hope for the same from my friends/associates, hopefully leaning more towards friends when speaking of here. When speaking of friends, so long as I treat them as such, I shouldn't have to worry much about what I say. Just as I remain that same thing in return. Plenty of my friends have had a differing opinion all throughout Trump's term and other individual issues. Is what it is and I never expect anyone, friends, to have identical opinions. Hell, I speak with my Dad and brother more than anyone else, and we don't fully agree on everything, but hell, we even laugh about some of it. And my other brother is a flaming liberal, and I let him get away with it.

    That said, I get what you're saying 100% and have seen a lot change in real life, and likely many of you have seen it as well. My aunt basically dissed me left and right in the beginning, collateral damage. Which then turned into questioning me damage, which then lead into 'canceling' aka deleting me aka never to have heard from again. And yup, folks out there nervous or afraid of stepping on one another's toes. But if a friend there shouldn't be anything to worry about. I just mind what I say a tad, I try to no speak rudely when it's a friend ever, and hope they return the favor. I don't or won't ever get angry or hold a grudge over dumb politics at the end of the day.

    I try to reserve that for unknown quantity liberals & bald guys.

    I also agree about our country and as we know it being in peril. All that our founding fathers believed in the most and what they saw the country as - is changing. Already too much has been altered for my liking.
    I don't know anything about Cheney beyond this. I agree with your have to go list and could add some names.

    I never agreed Trump divided the country. The left and Trump haters did that.

    However, his continued presence is doing a Hell of a job dividing the GOP/right.

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    This current row seems to have only one rhyme and reason and it's trump's feelings. That's the only way this thing seems to make sense. But for my money having an R after elected officials names have meant signing off on conservative judges and that's the best thing to get IMO and it's worked. It's short-term thinking to start tossing mostly reliable votes aside based on almost nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    This current row seems to have only one rhyme and reason and it's trump's feelings. That's the only way this thing seems to make sense. But for my money having an R after elected officials names have meant signing off on conservative judges and that's the best thing to get IMO and it's worked. It's short-term thinking to start tossing mostly reliable votes aside based on almost nothing.
    Tossing away voter's votes keeping dead wood around amounts to the same.

    Maybe all those so called right wingers that are so willing to delude themselves into believing they can compromise with the rattlers on the left should try it with their own first?

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