Vaccinations - back and forth

[fj1200]

Having a healthy immune system is the best way to go.

Individually? Maybe. Collectively? Not so much.

[Gunny]

I'll say again: while the right is fighting over the candy the left has tossed on the floor, the left is stealing the whole candy store. Fighting over a vaccine deflects from the border, election fraud, and an absolutely ridiculous budget.

And I AM going to point a finger. Those who don't care, or got the vaccine have said little, tried to sell nothing, and at most have been pushed into defending their choice with those who don't agree with that choice. On the other hand, this board, and the country is absolutely swamped with those who chose to not get vaccinated trying to disprove/discredit the vaccine. I have yet to see one opinion changed by the

The only thing I see being accomplished is the Dems buying time until they can get together plans for their next thefts. They're determined to legalize voter fraud. They've just spent more money than they are worth and the only ones on the right doing a damned thing about it are the ones in collusion with them. A few thousand illegals are going to pour across the border today.

No way the Republicans/conservative are going to win jack shit if they can't get it together and focus on what's important instead of latching onto masks, shots and lockdowns and thinking they're holding the line when the line has clearly been moved past those issues by the criminal cabal in DC.

"So in the Libyan fable it is told That once an eagle , stricken with a dart, Said, when he saw the fashion of the shaft, "With our own feathers, not by others' hands, Are we now smitten." - Aeschylus

That would be us. SOme people need to get their shit together and figure out what is worth fighting for

[jimnyc]

Because you mentioned me ..

I have a prescription for Ivermectin so I know my dosage is for humans. Got it from a pharmacy not a feed or pet store. My medical professional belongs to a group of doctors on Facebook and the group was banned when they started talking about Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine. That in itself bothers me. People should be able to get both sides of info so they can make informed decisions. It used to be that way. But when the government is working with social media to shut down one side of the debate it is bothersome to me.

And, I don't agree with this statement .. "Right now, the only answer to COVID is to be fully vaccinated.”

Having a healthy immune system is the best way to go.

Just didn't want you to think that section was towards you, @SassyLady !! I know it has a lot of use for animals AND also a lot of human use. But right now they only run with the animal and tell people that folks are going nuts using animal medication.

[SassyLady]

Just didn't want you to think that section was towards you, @SassyLady !! I know it has a lot of use for animals AND also a lot of human use. But right now they only run with the animal and tell people that folks are going nuts using animal medication.

Didn't think you were picking on me .. just responding with the info I have access to.

As for studies ... you're not hearing about them because big tech has censored anything CDC wants them to.

Those in charge of our medical info don't want us to know there are alternatives to the vaccine. It's been proven now that the vax won't keep you from getting the virus .. it just helps alleviate the symptoms. Which is what the ivermectin and hydroxychlorocline will do. They will help with the symptoms if you get the virus.

[SassyLady]

Individually? Maybe. Collectively? Not so much.

Disagree.

If media spent as much time educating people on immune system as they do the covid fear porn it would help collectively.

[fj1200]

Disagree.

If media spent as much time educating people on immune system as they do the covid fear porn it would help collectively.

Yeah... I don't think reality backs that up.

[SassyLady]

I'll say again: while the right is fighting over the candy the left has tossed on the floor, the left is stealing the whole candy store. Fighting over a vaccine deflects from the border, election fraud, and an absolutely ridiculous budget.

And I AM going to point a finger. Those who don't care, or got the vaccine have said little, tried to sell nothing, and at most have been pushed into defending their choice with those who don't agree with that choice. On the other hand, this board, and the country is absolutely swamped with those who chose to not get vaccinated trying to disprove/discredit the vaccine. I have yet to see one opinion changed by the

The only thing I see being accomplished is the Dems buying time until they can get together plans for their next thefts. They're determined to legalize voter fraud. They've just spent more money than they are worth and the only ones on the right doing a damned thing about it are the ones in collusion with them. A few thousand illegals are going to pour across the border today.

No way the Republicans/conservative are going to win jack shit if they can't get it together and focus on what's important instead of latching onto masks, shots and lockdowns and thinking they're holding the line when the line has clearly been moved past those issues by the criminal cabal in DC.

"So in the Libyan fable it is told That once an eagle , stricken with a dart, Said, when he saw the fashion of the shaft, "With our own feathers, not by others' hands, Are we now smitten." - Aeschylus

That would be us. SOme people need to get their shit together and figure out what is worth fighting for

@Gunny

I'm fighting for each individual to make their own choices based on as much info as is available. In my opinion that's paramount to freedom.

I think we need to understand that each person made their choice based upon their own circumstances. In the beginning I was posting info to get it out there to help people make their choice. I am not trying to convince anyone what to do.

I really trust my medical professionals and not one of them has told me to get the shot. I might regret it one day but for now I'm OK with my decision.

[Abbey Marie]

Sums it up. For me.

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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Disagree.

If media spent as much time educating people on immune system as they do the covid fear porn it would help collectively.

My friend, perhaps many of us would do well to also consider the media has its many cheerleaders, slavishly serving/defending its propaganda.
AS those in the Republican party that fly their false flags so they can sabotage from within- As was so clearing evident with that ffing scum John McCain.
And is now so clearly evident with the ones on the net flying false flags infiltration and doing the best they can to belittle true patriots. The internet has millions of those ffking snakes in the grass.
All one has to do is open their eyes- to see, imho..
Almost every site, has its infiltrated liberal lying scum working to sow discord, destruction, etc..
Many of the ffing scum are quite clever in how they do it...
That from the "snakes in the grass" in conjunction with the rabid censorship of big tech-is insidiously plan to defeat all that are oppose this coming evil and the planned destruction of this nation, imho..

By the way, I checked out your advice on the meds you take in regards to covid protection and I found it to be dead on accurate!!
Thanks!!-Tyr

[revelarts]

Having a healthy immune system is the best way to go.

Individually? Maybe. Collectively? Not so much.

Disagree.
If media spent as much time educating people on immune system as they do the covid fear porn it would help collectively.

Collectively and individually building the best immune system is the best thing for everyone.
I'm not sure how anyone could make a case otherwise.
If grandma's immune system is at it's best, and she's not overweight, and her blood pressure etc is great. That's great for EVERYONE, her family and her neighbors... and the Health Scare system
All infections are met with robust natural defense and often quashed early and quickly and she has natural antibodies to deal with it going forward for years.
win win for everyone.

vaccines might be seen as a collective short cut, or end run, around the fact that to many people are in poor health immunity wise. But it's false to say that a population that collectively improves it's immune system is less of a benefit. It's A FAR MORE well rounded and collectively impactful approach to deal the issue. ALL diseases and ailments will be impacted by a healthier population.

BTW studies in Europe show that it's likely that the reason a few of the northern European countries have had less problems with covid than other nations (even without lockdowns) is it's high intake of vitamin D. Many studies show that people with high levels of Vitamin D in their systems who catch covid recover more often and faster. AND other studies show that OVERALL, the demographics that are medically well known to have LOW vitamin D levels are the most prone to hospitalization and death.

so YES COLLECTIVELY everyone is better off building up/promoting the communities immune system health. It's cheaper and safer and has multiple medical benefits. short and long term.
It's frankly malpractice that the officials haven't been promoting it more.

I'll say again: while the right is fighting over the candy the left has tossed on the floor, the left is stealing the whole candy store. Fighting over a vaccine deflects from the border, election fraud, and an absolutely ridiculous budget.
And I AM going to point a finger. Those who don't care, or got the vaccine have said little, tried to sell nothing, and at most have been pushed into defending their choice with those who don't agree with that choice. On the other hand, this board, and the country is absolutely swamped with those who chose to not get vaccinated trying to disprove/discredit the vaccine. I have yet to see one opinion changed by the

The only thing I see being accomplished is the Dems buying time until they can get together plans for their next thefts. They're determined to legalize voter fraud. They've just spent more money than they are worth and the only ones on the right doing a damned thing about it are the ones in collusion with them. A few thousand illegals are going to pour across the border today.
No way the Republicans/conservative are going to win jack shit if they can't get it together and focus on what's important instead of latching onto masks, shots and lockdowns and thinking they're holding the line when the line has clearly been moved past those issues by the criminal cabal in DC.
"So in the Libyan fable it is told That once an eagle , stricken with a dart, Said, when he saw the fashion of the shaft, "With our own feathers, not by others' hands, Are we now smitten." - Aeschylus
That would be us. SOme people need to get their shit together and figure out what is worth fighting for

I understand the sentiment.
however, as with other "emergencies" in the past. The vaccine issue is another place where legal and social lines are being crossed that people assumed gov't and society had no right to.
Gov't and Biz promoting experimental vaccines is one thing, OK that's fine.
But the Gov't and biz mandating and blackmailing people to take experimental vaccines. That's taking away a personal freedom as much as taking away the right to own a gun.
It's not just "candy"
I know in joining military soldiers sign away many rights including some rights NOT to be injected with various drugs. And the coercion level to OBEY is high, but "civilians" have given up no such rights.
"My Body my Right" is Absolutely true when it comes to taking drugs.
Neither your neighbors, the gov't, or your job has a right to compel us to take drugs.
Not in a "free country"
As i said, it's another loss of a freedom in the name of an over-hyped FEAR.
Terrorist are going to get us all! FEAR! we MUST Torture, spy on citizens, jail without trial, war without congress. NOTHING ELSE WILL WORK... EVER! And you clearly HATE America if you don't agree.
Covid-19 is going to get us all ...or at least granma! FEAR! So we all MUST, cover our faces, take the gov't/pharma experimental drugs, and NEVER LEAVE THE HOUSE.
NOTHING ELSE WILL WORK... EVER! And you clearly HATE Grandma if you don't agree.

it's another BS game being played on the public, another precedent set for a "NEW -less free- NORMAL" where people are now expected to "stay home on gov't command, and take drugs on gov't or company command.
Sound like freedom to you?
It's just for this "emergency" you say?

After the the 1918 flu that killed FAR more people, they did REALLY go back to normal. Does anyone really expect the gov't and big pharma to back off on pushing drugs and rules for the collective good? And that they will stop squelching factual rebuttals from getting public ear without a fight?


Dealing with Voting issue and vaccine and lockdown mandates is not an Either/OR question.
And I'll say it again (and let it fall on deaf ears again?) IT NOT ABOUT THE LEFT AND RIGHT.
it's about authoritarians verses constitutional God Given freedoms.

If the right does it or the left that's where the battle lies.
If people have a FREE Choice. Fine, but when the gov't and/or Big/near monpoly Biz Says it's this way or the HIGHWAY then it's Authoritarian BS.
call it Fascism! or Communism!, or Totalitarianism or technocracy ...whatever.
I don't care what label you put on it or what FEAR BASED excuse is used to promote it, "National Security!!!" or "National Health!!!" It's Anti Freedom anti-constitutional BS that needs to be addressed.

By people from the left and right IDEALLY.
Because the Elites of BOTH "sides" aren't Masking, Locking down, Stopping their travels, Stopping their gatherings, Stopping their shopping, Stopping their Hair appointments, or taking ANY drugs they don't want to.

It's the middle to lower classes that are being played... again.... supposedly "for your safety.. and America".

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Collectively and individually building the best immune system is the best thing for everyone.
I'm not sure how anyone could make a case otherwise.
If grandma's immune system is at it's best, and she's not overweight, and her blood pressure etc is great. That's great for EVERYONE, her family and her neighbors... and the Health Scare system
All infections are met with robust natural defense and often quashed early and quickly and she has natural antibodies to deal with it going forward for years.
win win for everyone.

vaccines might be seen as a collective short cut, or end run, around the fact that to many people are in poor health immunity wise. But it's false to say that a population that collectively improves it's immune system is less of a benefit. It's A FAR MORE well rounded and collectively impactful approach to deal the issue. ALL diseases and ailments will be impacted by a healthier population.

BTW studies in Europe show that it's likely that the reason a few of the northern European countries have had less problems with covid than other nations (even without lockdowns) is it's high intake of vitamin D. Many studies show that people with high levels of Vitamin D in their systems who catch covid recover more often and faster. AND other studies show that OVERALL, the demographics that are medically well known to have LOW vitamin D levels are the most prone to hospitalization and death.

so YES COLLECTIVELY everyone is better off building up/promoting the communities immune system health. It's cheaper and safer and has multiple medical benefits. short and long term.
It's frankly malpractice that the officials haven't been promoting it more.






I understand the sentiment.
however, as with other "emergencies" in the past. The vaccine issue is another place where legal and social lines are being crossed that people assumed gov't and society had no right to.
Gov't and Biz promoting experimental vaccines is one thing, OK that's fine.
But the Gov't and biz mandating and blackmailing people to take experimental vaccines. That's taking away a personal freedom as much as taking away the right to own a gun.
It's not just "candy"
I know in joining military soldiers sign away many rights including some rights NOT to be injected with various drugs. And the coercion level to OBEY is high, but "civilians" have given up no such rights.
"My Body my Right" is Absolutely true when it comes to taking drugs.
Neither your neighbors, the gov't, or your job has a right to compel us to take drugs.
Not in a "free country"
As i said, it's another loss of a freedom in the name of an over-hyped FEAR.
Terrorist are going to get us all! FEAR! we MUST Torture, spy on citizens, jail without trial, war without congress. NOTHING ELSE WILL WORK... EVER! And you clearly HATE America if you don't agree.
Covid-19 is going to get us all ...or at least granma! FEAR! So we all MUST, cover our faces, take the gov't/pharma experimental drugs, and NEVER LEAVE THE HOUSE.
NOTHING ELSE WILL WORK... EVER! And you clearly HATE Grandma if you don't agree.

it's another BS game being played on the public, another precedent set for a "NEW -less free- NORMAL" where people are now expected to "stay home on gov't command, and take drugs on gov't or company command.
Sound like freedom to you?
It's just for this "emergency" you say?

After the the 1918 flu that killed FAR more people, they did REALLY go back to normal. Does anyone really expect the gov't and big pharma to back off on pushing drugs and rules for the collective good? And that they will stop squelching factual rebuttals from getting public ear without a fight?


It's not an Either or fight.
and I'll say it again (and let it fall on deaf ears again) IT NOT ABOUT THE LEFT AND RIGHT.
it's about authoritarians verse freddom.

If the right does it or the left that's where the battle lies.
If people have a FREE Choice. Fine when the gov't and/or Big Biz Says it's this way or the HIGHWAY then it's Authoritarian BS.
call it Fascism! or Communism!, or Totalitarianism or technocracy BOTTOM LINE.
I don't care what label you put on it or what FEAR BASED excuse is used to promote it "national security" or "National Health" It's Anti Freedom anti-constitutional BS that need to be addressed.

By people from the left and right IDEALLY.
Because the Elites of BOTH "sides" aren't Masking, Locking down, Stopping their travels, Stopping their gatherings, Stopping their shopping, Stopping their Hair appointments, or taking ANY drugs they don't want to.

It's the middle to lower classes that are being played... again.... "for your safety.. and America".

Bravo! Well stated and so very true.
Government under the idiot and corrupted stooge Biden is now engaged in a forceful effort to make every citizen give up rights.
In this case- make every citizen-- submit their right to life and join in this this scam-demic and government agenda to be stabbed with an experimental concoction.
One that has already caused death, serious injuries to tens of thousands and quite possibly far , far more than even that staggering number!
We civilians are not military...
Although seems the treasonous dem tyrants, WANT TO PUSH US INTO DECOMING SUCH TO DEFEND OUR VERY LIVES AND LIVES OF OUR BELOVED CHILDREN!!
Dems-must be taught we are not ffing slaves, imho..
Slaves that those filthy bastards want us all to become.
I speak the plain unvarnished and absolute truth of it...
And I simply do not give A DAMN WHO DOES NOT LIKE THAT....-- ----Tyr

[revelarts]

Sums it up. For me.

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I agree.
the problem is that one side wants to FORCE everyone to get vaccines, fire people from jobs, keep people from school, shut down some biz, refuse entrance into biz, refuse travel, etc to those who refuse the vaccine.
And Not allow information about alternative options to even be discussed.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Sums it up. For me.

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My friend , my stand agrees with that.
Let each person decide to either take the vaccine or else not take it....
The problem is the dems and government are saying nobody has the right to refuse.
I do not vilify any that decided to take the vaccine. For each person has that right to say yes or say no..
If one is in a compromising health state-their decision to take the vaccine is absolutely right for then- NO MATTER WHO THINKS IT IS A WRONG CHOICE...
However, I do so adamantly vilify government and its tyrant decrees and those that cheer its tyrannical decrees.
As those that support its so-called right to force us to be a part of its experiment!
And be a part of its dark and nefarious agenda behind its ever reaching , ever grabbing more and more power over us all.
Fact is- we can not remain totally silent-- as silence to them and the world is judged to be submission and agreement with their unconstitutional agenda and unlawful edicts.
The government has to be opposed as it is engaging in unconstitutional actions and deliberately working towards a future dictatorship.
And that is a reality- that is indeed the treason(treason- not politics) the dems are now spearheading and also being applauded by people that are indeed blinded, imho...- --Tyr

[revelarts]

Here's a chart where folks took a poll of the left and right on what they THOUGHT the Covid death rate was for various ages.
NEXT TO the actual death rates.


Quote:

...The U.S. public is also deeply misinformed about the severity of the virus for the average infected person. In December, we asked, “What percentage of people who have been infected by the coronavirus needed to be hospitalized?” The correct answer is not precisely known, but it is highly likely to be between 1% and 5% according to the best available estimates, and it is unlikely to be much higher or lower. We discuss the data and logic behind this conclusion in the appendix. Less than one in five U.S. adults (18%) give a correct answer of between 1 and 5%. Many adults (35%) say that at least half (50%) of infected people need hospitalization. If that were true, the millions of resulting patients would have overwhelmed hospitals throughout the pandemic. Democrats are much more likely than Republicans to overestimate this harm. Forty-one percent of Democrats and 28% of Republicans answered that half or more of those infected by COVID-19 need to be hospitalized. Republicans were also far more likely to get the correct answer, with 26% correctly identifying the risk compared to just 10% of Democrats.... https://www.brookings.edu/research/h...and-behaviors/

Seems everyone is a bit off thinking that it's worse than it is.
What everyone "knows" is not based on all the facts available.
Too often It's based on fear ginned up and over hyped by the media.

But looking at these 2 bits of data ....that we've had since early on in the "pandemic".... That most death are in those over 65 with other conditions and less than 5% are hospitalized. over like 95% RECOVER.
I don't see how this is a BLACK and WHITE issue that makes it obvious that EVERYONE to get vaccinated.
Seems we don’t need to ”trust” the institutions. All they have to do is SHOW US the risk, which they have.
And the risk for people UNDER 65 is EXTREMELY LOW. But for people above that, they have the right and option to get a vaccine, even an experimental one if they chose. OR alternatively use whatever methods they or their doctors choose.
I’m not sure why some officials and the media would consider taking the experimental drugs as imperative.
Or think that the whole world MUST move as ONE to deal with this new disease.
Or that there’s absolute medical certainty as to what the treatments MUST be after One Year into this NEW disease.
As if there’s only ONE way to deal with a problem.
Isn’t that “fundamentalist” thinking?
Could it be possible that there’s MORE than one way to skin a cat?

As real as the deaths are it seems that protecting the elderly, by their quarantine and various methods of medical attention would be imperative and a civic duty. AND making sure the surrounding economic and educationally infrastructure around them is still up and running. But to pretend that universal vaccination is the THE remedy makes no sense to me BASED on the REAL data and real risk .
And the UNKNOWN long term collective fallout of the experimental vaccines on younger (under 60) people.

Reasonable people can disagree. But when people start talking about FORCING other to inject drugs into their bodies "OR ELSE",
seems to me the ones doing the forcing probably don't have enough facts to make their case
and/or their fears and "beliefs" have become irrational.

Because the data simply does not support Universal Vaccines.
OR vaccines (mask & lockdowns) as the ONLY remedy.

[jimnyc]

Sums it up. For me.

I started writing about it yesterday. Things are simply not the same for everyone. Everyone taking the vaccine cannot be some form of gullible bad guy. Not everyone refusing the vaccine is going to then get sick and spread things.

First and foremost, folks will be and should be making decisions in the best interest of their health and family health and best interest. So many different things come into play and this isn't something black and white. We are not "sheep" because we chose to get a vaccine or that I wear a mask.

Many folks chose NOT to get a vaccine for their own health reasons or that of family. Not everyone who didn't get a shot is somehow a bad person or being selfish or an enemy.

There is no doubt that the entire blame game and "get the other side" is in action.

One should 100% absolutely have a guaranteed right to get this vaccine if they choose to. One should 100% absolutely have that same guaranteed right to NOT get this vaccine. The same should apply to wearing masks - unless you're going into someone else's owned business as then you go by whatever their rules are or choose a different establishment.

I agree.
the problem is that one side wants to FORCE everyone to get vaccines, fire people from jobs, keep people from school, shut down some biz, refuse entrance into biz, refuse travel, etc to those who refuse the vaccine.
And Not allow information about alternative options to even be discussed.

No one should be forced into anything, IMO. The only jobs should be those like hospitals where compromised people may have no alternative but to go to.

Way too much mandate BS going on. There used to always be places that can make a decision, and then patrons a decision on top of those. But now the government wants to mandate everything and make that decision for everyone.

And the free speech is HUGE to me. Now you cannot even talk about things on youtube with a differing opinion, and other places. Same goes with MSM and getting condemned.

My friend , my stand agrees with that.
Let each person decide to either take the vaccine or else not take it....
The problem is the dems and government are saying nobody has the right to refuse.
I do not vilify any that decided to take the vaccine. For each person has that right to say yes or say no..
If one is in a compromising health state-their decision to take the vaccine is absolutely right for then- NO MATTER WHO THINKS IT IS A WRONG CHOICE...
However, I do so adamantly vilify government and its tyrant decrees and those that cheer its tyrannical decrees.
As those that support its so-called right to force us to be a part of its experiment!
And be a part of its dark and nefarious agenda behind its ever reaching , ever grabbing more and more power over us all.
Fact is- we can not remain totally silent-- as silence to them and the world is judged to be submission and agreement with their unconstitutional agenda and unlawful edicts.
The government has to be opposed as it is engaging in unconstitutional actions and deliberately working towards a future dictatorship.
And that is a reality- that is indeed the treason(treason- not politics) the dems are now spearheading and also being applauded by people that are indeed blinded, imho...- --Tyr

You and I, and others here, have been of the 'live and let live' stance from the beginning.