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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    "...which of the two examples is currently a national health issue..."
    Both. Death is Death. both are ongoing.

    "...that can be ameliorated?"
    And they both can be ameliorated to a point, as long as all the option are on the table and discussed.
    And constitutional means are used.

    Telling everyone to STAY HOME will only help in auto accidents. Didn't do much at all for Covid.
    But using LOCKDOWN to ameliorate either one is a piss-poor option.

    Life has Risk, that's just the way it is.
    We can't pretend to eliminated them all to everyone's satisfaction in a free country.
    Guess what, Covid probably ain't going away. Thankfully most people recover from it with the treatments available ... if allowed to.
    We've had decades to figure out traffic laws automotive regulations. The other is under 2 years with data changing every day.

    If you want a thread about lockdowns it's either been done or can be done again.

    People are being given the option of getting and recovering from COVID. Or not...

    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    PS-- you're asking the wrong guy about what's currently a national health issue. The question implies that I'm part of the crowd that's generally freaked out by the Covid. Look Covid, Terrorism, Killer Bees, ... Maybe it's becasue I'm generally a big picture thinker or I'm borderline autistic. But sure there's an initial bump in my fear but my logically brain begins to contextual the whole mess and deal with.
    I've had MORE anxiety about other people's reactions to Covid-19! or Terrorist! or Iran! or Climate Change! or Russia! or Fill-in-the-blank supposed horror than from the so-called horrors themselves.
    IMO NONE of them deserve the HYPE they've been given recently or over the years.

    And the FEAR around them should be the focus of amelioration, so people can hopefully act more rationally about them.

    What happened to the leadership that says, there's nothing to fear but fear itself?
    Long since gone it would seem. Four years ago it was Mexico, China, and global competition. This time 'round it's something else. Besides, I specifically called it an "issue" and not a "crisis."
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    What happened to the leadership that says, there's nothing to fear but fear itself?
    One wonders.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    ... Much akin to how the Jews in Germany were attacked...
    Yeah, we're right on the precipice.
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    FYI
    A chart that Johns Hopkins puts out that tracks hospitalization Trends

    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hos...on-7-day-trend
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    These people infected with Trumperism are delusional. True Americans who abhor Trumperism are out to make sure that science and American principles continue America's advance.

    The libertarians will never, ever be in charge, and Trump power is over for even.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    When the hell are people going to start realizing-- they make up numbers to advance whatever they want to advance!???
    I mean -damn , that is how propagandists operate.
    And they are waging a propaganda war on the American public!
    Telling lie after lie....
    Hell, they are operating exactly like the Nazi propaganda machine did.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeStarkey View Post
    These people infected with Trumperism are delusional. True Americans who abhor Trumperism are out to make sure that science and American principles continue America's advance.

    The libertarians will never, ever be in charge, and Trump power is over for even.
    I hope you can get over your irrational and weird TDS before too awfully long - guess who may be your next president? Hint: It won't be Harris, not a chance in hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeStarkey View Post
    These people infected with Trumperism are delusional. True Americans who abhor Trumperism are out to make sure that science and American principles continue America's advance.

    The libertarians will never, ever be in charge, and Trump power is over for even.
    Hey Starkey .. you still haven't answered why you think Biden is so much better at being a president than Trump.

    Just give a quick list of this career politician's attributes and accomplishments. Not a list of what you think are Trump's failings.

    I seriously don't think you can, therefore, you resort to trying to denigrate people who voted for and supported Trump during his presidency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Hey Starkey .. you still haven't answered why you think Biden is so much better at being a president than Trump.

    Just give a quick list of this career politician's attributes and accomplishments. Not a list of what you think are Trump's failings.

    I seriously don't think you can, therefore, you resort to trying to denigrate people who voted for and supported Trump during his presidency.
    I've been reading a bunch of his crap. Drags in Trump stuff when he has nothing to do with it. Definitely someone with serious TDS and knowing that Biden is brain dead - and knowing that the TDS is going to get MUCH worse most likely!
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Tyr-Ziu Saxnot makes things up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeStarkey View Post
    Tyr-Ziu Saxnot makes things up.
    It's interesting that you are accusing him of exactly what you're doing. Where do you find your democratic talking points?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    It's interesting that you are accusing him of exactly what you're doing. Where do you find your democratic talking points?
    So much made up by this one, over and over.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    FYI
    A chart that Johns Hopkins puts out that tracks hospitalization Trends

    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hos...on-7-day-trend
    Anything to glean from that? The GA graph doesn't look good. They're delaying non-emergency procedures because of the lack of beds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    One wonders.



    Yeah, we're right on the precipice.
    Trollish crap-- post that snippet of the comment made. Remove context...
    Typical from a worm that would do anything to win...
    Here below it is in its entirety not the snippet you posted in order to take it out of context.

    "" Well, I say fine take if your medical condition leads you to think it the prudent thing to do. I do not fault those that have decided based upon that wisdom!
    I do fault those that did so out of abject fear and now out of that same overblown fear want to force us to take the stab!!
    Tens of millions of us have decided it is not the prudent thing to do for us..
    Thus we are vilified more and more each day.
    Much akin to how the Jews in Germany were attacked until it worked its way into what finally occurred.
    That is not a far-fetched analogy. As it is based upon human nature--AND WHAT FEAR CAN CAUSE, IMHO..
    As history so clearly points to...-Tyr""
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    You fj just keeeeeeeeeeeeep on proving you have no integrity, no honor..
    No wonder those members said---- do not ever invite you back...
    A male with no integrity and no honor is not ever a ---man---......-Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Trollish crap--
    Yeah, most people here are smart enough to know what's going on. The fact that I pulled out the most ridiculous part is what really galls you.

    You do have a propensity to always fall back on unnamed members.
    Last edited by fj1200; 08-29-2021 at 10:14 PM.
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