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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeStarkey View Post
    Yes, you should not lie, Juicer. You are hammered again.
    What a silly little girl you really are .

    Being a complete Stupid about possible cures for something like Covid is the mark of someone extremely immature and childish .

    Try and put together more than a single sentence arguing for a view point, and learn to present support evidence and relevant testimony where appropriate .

    But stop being a bore and irritant because that is all you are -- and I am not interested to hear how abused you may have been or still are . And if you have not been , it might be better if you are from now on .

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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    @revelarts
    Thank you for cataloging all this info. I've read all these articles but couldn't find them when I went back. MSM, WH, CDC, so called covid experts, pharmaceutical industry are shutting down this info because it takes away the fear porn about covid. And, affects their bottom line.
    Sassy, I also use the search
    Millionshort.com
    When the other search sites somehow can't find anything.
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    I keep seeing this thread that won't die and just shake my head. I was on ivermectin for 2 months. My little trip to the hospital in 16 with the massive infection in one of my lungs (short version ).

    I'll take the vaccine. The ivermectin DID work. I'll give it that. It completely killed my immune system along with just about everything else inside my body. Between the time the ivermectin protection wears off and you get your immune system half-ass back up and running you're just a sitting duck. I had to hide when the kids caught colds.

    I am aware actual experience is an inconvenient message to the narrative. I just threw it out as food for thought.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I keep seeing this thread that won't die and just shake my head. I was on ivermectin for 2 months. My little trip to the hospital in 16 with the massive infection in one of my lungs (short version ).

    I'll take the vaccine. The ivermectin DID work. I'll give it that. It completely killed my immune system along with just about everything else inside my body. Between the time the ivermectin protection wears off and you get your immune system half-ass back up and running you're just a sitting duck. I had to hide when the kids caught colds.

    I am aware actual experience is an inconvenient message to the narrative. I just threw it out as food for thought.
    Thank you for the info Gunny. Now we have someone with personal experience of how ivermectin worked for your infection.

    Until I have more info on the vaccine and what it does to the immune system I'll hold judgements on which is better for me.
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    Lou Gossett Jr.
    Caught Covid went to emergency room sick. didn't like what he saw at the hospital, told them to send him home.
    Once home someone mentioned to him Ivermectin, He took it and is recovering.


    Last edited by revelarts; 09-02-2021 at 09:23 AM.
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    Woman with history of asthma, gets covid , sick, weak, vomiting, 100+ temp.
    Dr prescribes ivermectin, shes only able to gets 1 small dose of ivermectin and 8 hours later feels "100%" better.

    Last edited by revelarts; 09-02-2021 at 09:22 AM.
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    39 Second clip.
    Dr Tess Lawrie, Lead peer reviewed Meta Study on effectiveness of Ivermectin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Lou Gossett Jr.
    Caught Covid went to emergency room sick. didn't like what he saw at the hospital, told them to send him home.
    Once home someone mentioned to him Ivermectin, He took it and is recovering.


    So did Joe Rogan.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...n-z-pak-video/
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    Along with the motives of $$ by big Phrama and $$ and power by Gov't,
    I think part of what's going on for a many folks and medical people is whats called the THE SEMMELWEIS REFLEX.


    "The Semmelweis reflex or “Semmelweis effect” is a metaphor for the reflex-like tendency to reject new evidence or new knowledge because it contradicts established norms, beliefs or paradigms."

    It's based on the life experience of Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis who was the 1st (in the west) to realize that washing hands before medical procedures protected patients from death and disease. He PROVED it observationally but other scientist and drs refused to believe him. Not because his science was bad or his religion but because It was NOT inline with the then accepted Scientific THEORY of disease.
    The Scientific DOGMA of the day didn't allow for observational science to win the minds of those that should have embraced the facts as they appeared.

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    Ignaz Philipp Semmelweis (July 1, 1818 – August 13, 1865),
    also Ignác Semmelweis (born Semmelweis Ignác Fülöp), was a Hungarian physician called the “saviour of mothers” who discovered, by 1847, that the incidence of puerperal fever, also known as childbed fever could be drastically cut by use of hand washing standards in obstetrical clinics.

    While employed as assistant to the professor of the maternity clinic at the Vienna General Hospital in Austria in 1847, Semmelweis introduced hand washing with chlorinated lime solutions for interns who had performed autopsies. This immediately reduced the incidence of fatal puerperal fever from about 10 percent (range 5–30 percent) to about 1–2 percent. At the time, diseases were attributed to many different and unrelated causes. Each case was considered unique, just like a human person is unique.

    Semmelweis’ hypothesis, that there was only one cause, that all that mattered was cleanliness, was extreme at the time, and was largely ignored, rejected or ridiculed. He was dismissed from the hospital and harassed by the medical community in Vienna, which eventually forced him to move to Budapest.

    Semmelweis was outraged by the indifference of the medical profession and began writing open and increasingly angry letters to prominent European obstetricians, at times denouncing them as irresponsible murderers. His contemporaries, including his wife, believed he was losing his mind and he was in 1865 committed to an asylum (mental institution). Semmelweis died there only 14 days later, possibly after being severely beaten by guards.

    Semmelweis’ practice only earned widespread acceptance years after his death, when Louis Pasteur developed the germ theory of disease which offered a theoretical explanation for Semmelweis’ findings. Semmelweis is considered a pioneer of antiseptic procedures.

    Many people died becasue they would not listen to or look at evidence clearly before them.
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    THERE IS NO PROOF THAT IVERMECTIN IS WIDELY EFFECTIVE IN TREATING COVID-19! -------------------> Hysterical rantings in right wing blogs aside, there is no medical or scientific proof. It might work in individual instances, but not as a whole. The only reason why conservatives are discussing it is because a crackpot senator named Ron Johnson started yelling about it. For the same reason he raved about hydroxychloroquine. Because he caught Trump's ear with it. --------------------->Ivermectin is used to treat intestinal roundworm infection in humans and to de-worm pets and livestock. . The manufacturer says it should not be used otherwise. Gullible Republicans are getting POISONED through misuse. ------------> https://upnorthnewswi.com/2021/08/31...-promoting-it/ ------------------------------> Seriously, I have no idea why conservatives are campaigning against proven vaccines, but are willing to use unproven drugs that their idiot leaders have endorsed. ----------------> https://apnews.com/article/fact-chec...ent:9768999400

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    THERE IS NO PROOF THAT IVERMECTIN IS WIDELY EFFECTIVE IN TREATING COVID-19! -------------------> Hysterical rantings in right wing blogs aside, there is no medical or scientific proof. It might work in individual instances, but not as a whole. The only reason why conservatives are discussing it is because a crackpot senator named Ron Johnson started yelling about it. For the same reason he raved about hydroxychloroquine. Because he caught Trump's ear with it. --------------------->Ivermectin is used to treat intestinal roundworm infection in humans and to de-worm pets and livestock. . The manufacturer says it should not be used otherwise. Gullible Republicans are getting POISONED through misuse. ------------> https://upnorthnewswi.com/2021/08/31...-promoting-it/ ------------------------------> Seriously, I have no idea why conservatives are campaigning against proven vaccines, but are willing to use unproven drugs that their idiot leaders have endorsed. ----------------> https://apnews.com/article/fact-chec...ent:9768999400
    It's a HEALTH issue and people of all kinds are all over the place. This is hardly just "gullible republicans".

    And most knew/heard about it LONG before Johnson, even here.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    39 Second clip.
    Dr Tess Lawrie, Lead peer reviewed Meta Study on effectiveness of Ivermectin.
    And Gabby says....
    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    THERE IS NO PROOF THAT IVERMECTIN IS WIDELY EFFECTIVE IN TREATING COVID-19! -------------------> Hysterical rantings in right wing blogs aside, there is no medical or scientific proof. It might work in individual instances, but not as a whole. The only reason why conservatives are discussing it is because a crackpot senator named Ron Johnson started yelling about it. For the same reason he raved about hydroxychloroquine. Because he caught Trump's ear with it. --------------------->Ivermectin is used to treat intestinal roundworm infection in humans and to de-worm pets and livestock. . The manufacturer says it should not be used otherwise. Gullible Republicans are getting POISONED through misuse. ------------> https://upnorthnewswi.com/2021/08/31...-promoting-it/ ------------------------------> Seriously, I have no idea why conservatives are campaigning against proven vaccines, but are willing to use unproven drugs that their idiot leaders have endorsed. ----------------> https://apnews.com/article/fact-chec...ent:9768999400
    OK you Admit that "It might work in individual instances," YES YES IT DOES.but then you say "but not as a whole.". Ok HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT gabby? what's your proof?
    I'm guessing you didn't listen to the 39seconds above for yourself?
    And i guess you didn't see the post about the peer reviewed META studies.
    That is, a Study the LOOKS at nearly ALL the studies available to see how a drug works across the board.
    The thing is, it has been proven to be beneficial.

    Peer reviewed meta analysis in the American Journal of Therapeutics
    Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection:
    A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines

    https://journals.lww.com/americanthe...ment_of.7.aspx

    Bottom line the findings are,
    Probably reduces deaths by 62%
    and
    possible reduces transmission by 86%
    I don't know why people on the left are in KNEE JERK Denials about the FACT of several real tested and effective treatments for Covid.
    how is that you somehow SKIP the INFORMATION about scientific studies but somehow can find info about "Ron Johnson" and call him names and somehow mange to divine his motives... without proof or context.
    You toss out 'misinformation' about what "the manufacturer" says. For the record, It's generic drug and there are MANY manufactures, many happily selling it for use against Covid.


    Seriously, I have no idea why liberals are campaigning against proven treatments?
    Do they want people to Die? Are the Married to Vaccine companies? What's so appealing or magical about these vaccines that they are the only things people are allowed to use or EVEN TALK ABOUT?
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    More info about the efficacy of Ivermectin for treatment of Covid. Questioning why a proven drug is being suppressed.


    https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...vermectin.html

    September 3, 2021
    Why all the fuss about Ivermectin?
    By Brian C. Joondeph

    First hydroxychloroquine, now ivermectin, is the hated deadly drug de jour, castigated by the medical establishment and regulatory authorities. Both drugs have been around for a long time as FDA-approved prescription medications. Yet now we are told they are as deadly as arsenic.

    Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.
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    Not sure if this will ever make to market but


    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/f...quine/11946611


    Finnish firm earns US patent for Covid drug containing ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine
    The Turku company says its nasal spray delivers low, safe doses of hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin and aprotinin.


    A coronavirus drug developed by Therapeutica Borealis, a pharmaceutical firm in Turku, has been granted a patent by the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). The nasal spray contains hydroxychloroquine, among other ingredients.

    Earlier in May, the company said it had received approval for a patent application, based on which it expected a final patent this month.

    “The final patent is an important milestone for us on our way to the market. Our next goal is to find an established pharmaceutical industry company with an international business scale,” says Professor Kalervo Väänänen, one of the three inventors and founders of Therapeutica Borealis, in a press release on Monday. Väänänen is a cell biologist and former rector of the University of Turku....


    ...“Tackling the pandemic probably requires, in addition to a vaccine, a preventive or early-acting drug. This drug also helps especially in a situation where vaccine coverage threatens to remain too low for herd immunity,” said Väänänen.
    WHO warned against ivermectin use except in clinical trials

    The firm said that the drug's active ingredients – aprotinin, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin – are well-known and widely used drugs, but in this product are used in a new, targeted manner on the upper respiratory mucous membrane.

    All the drug molecules covered by the patent are approved for the treatment of other diseases, but if used systemically, for instance as pills or infusions swallowed by patients, the amounts of drugs would be high and potentially harmful.

    For topical use, as in a nasal spray, the concentrations of the active ingredients throughout the body remain very low but are sufficient locally to prevent the passage and replication of the virus, making the drug safer and more effective, says Therapeutica Borealis.

    Aprotinin is a protease inhibitor while ivermectin is an antiparasitic and hydroxychloroquine has been used against malaria – and has been touted as a Covid-19 treatment by Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro and former US President Donald Trump among others....
    (BTW: taking as ivermectin as a pill over long periods has been studied, it's not a problem scientifically...
    politically and for big phrama it is a problem)
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Not sure if this will ever make to market but


    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/f...quine/11946611


    Finnish firm earns US patent for Covid drug containing ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine
    The Turku company says its nasal spray delivers low, safe doses of hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin and aprotinin.




    (BTW: taking as ivermectin as a pill over long periods has been studied, it's not a problem scientifically...
    politically and for big phrama it is a problem)
    You'll have to "score" the Finnish drug.

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