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    Default House Votes to Expand Insurance for Kids

    The Associated Press By CHARLES BABINGTON Associated Press Writer
    WASHINGTON Sep 26, 2007 (AP)


    The House voted Tuesday to expand health insurance for children, but the Democratic-led victory may prove short-lived because the margin was too small to override President Bush's promised veto.

    Embarking on a health care debate likely to animate the 2008 elections, the House voted 265-159 to expand the State Children's Health Insurance Program, or SCHIP, by $35 billion over five years. Bush says he will veto the bill due to its cost, its reliance on a tobacco tax increase and its potential for replacing private insurance with government grants.


    SCHIP is a state-federal program that provides coverage for 6.6 million children from families that live above the poverty level but have trouble affording private health insurance. The proposed expansion, backed by most governors and many health-advocacy groups, would add 4 million children to the rolls.

    The bill drew support from 45 House Republicans, many of them moderates who do not want to be depicted as indifferent to low-income children's health needs when they seek re-election next year. But 151 Republicans sided with Bush, a move that Democrats see as a political blunder.

    It hardly matters that the expansion would be expensive or a step toward socialized health care, Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., said during the House debate. When lawmakers go home, he said, "the question is, Were you with the kids or were you not?"
    To overturn a presidential veto, both chambers of Congress must produce two-thirds majorities. The 265 yes votes in the House are two dozen fewer than Democrats would need to override Bush's veto, and House leaders expect few members to switch positions.

    The Senate appears poised to pass the SCHIP expansion by a large margin later this week, but a Senate bid to override a veto would be pointless if the House override effort falls short.

    Despite the expected veto, many congressional Democrats welcomed the SCHIP debate as a way to open a second political front in addition to Iraq on which they feel Bush and his allies are out of step with voters. Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., said the president willingly pours billions of dollars into the war but resists a significant expansion of a health program for modest-income children.

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    Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC)

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    The headline ought to read, "House votes to socialize more health care and take away Americans' freedoms.'

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    Just what kids would you choose to exclude, jeff?


    Quote Originally Posted by 5stringJeff View Post
    The headline ought to read, "House votes to socialize more health care and take away Americans' freedoms.'
    The present system eliminates millions of True Blue Americans. Are you for that as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    Just what kids would you choose to exclude, jeff?




    The present system eliminates millions of True Blue Americans. Are you for that as well?
    I dont know, how about the ones over 18?

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    In calling for Congress to pass a “clean, temporary extension” of the current State Children’s Health Insurance Program, Mr. Bush argued that the Democratic bill would raise taxes and allow children whose families earn up to $83,000 a year to enroll. The Democrats propose paying for the measure by raising the federal excise tax on cigarettes.

    But the chief Republican sponsor of the bill in the Senate, Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa, said Mr. Bush “is getting bad information.” He said Mr. Bush’s reference to the $83,000 limit was drawn from a proposal put forth by New York State, which the administration recently denied.

    The senator said he appealed to the president directly this morning, telling Mr. Bush that a long-term extension of the current law would leave children uncovered, and that the $5 billion increase in the program the president has proposed is not enough to cover more children.

    “Drawing lines in the sand at this stage isn’t constructive,” Mr. Grassley said, adding, “I wish he’d engage Congress in a bill that he could sign instead of threatening a veto, and I hope he’ll still do that.”
    In 2004 President Bush supported the CHIPS program and made some very supportive comments to the American people about this initiative, but now he is against it when the Democrats are trying to extend it....

    So he was for it, when he could use it to his political advantage and against it when he could not use it to his political advantage it appears....

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    It hardly matters that the expansion would be expensive or a step toward socialized health care, Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., said during the House debate. When lawmakers go home, he said, "the question is, Were you with the kids or were you not?"
    you're either for 'em or you're against 'em.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe View Post
    In 2004 President Bush supported the CHIPS program and made some very supportive comments to the American people about this initiative, but now he is against it when the Democrats are trying to extend it....

    So he was for it, when he could use it to his political advantage and against it when he could not use it to his political advantage it appears....
    Im sorry but extending it to people under the age of 25 who are not children is a bad idea. After all, common sense says that a program to help children should actually apply, you know, only to children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    Im sorry but extending it to people under the age of 25 who are not children is a bad idea. After all, common sense says that a program to help children should actually apply, you know, only to children.
    Private health insurance, the kind Republicans love so much, usually extends to college age children. It covers them until they're out of college. That could be right around age 25 with graduate school. SCHIP shouldn't be any different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    Just what kids would you choose to exclude, jeff?




    The present system eliminates millions of True Blue Americans. Are you for that as well?
    I don't want the government to provide anyone with health insurance. It should b purchased by those who want it,, with premiums deducted from individual income taxes just like charitable deductions and mortgage interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Private health insurance, the kind Republicans love so much, usually extends to college age children. It covers them until they're out of college. That could be right around age 25 with graduate school. SCHIP shouldn't be any different.
    They arent children if they are adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5stringJeff View Post
    I don't want the government to provide anyone with health insurance. It should b purchased by those who want it,, with premiums deducted from individual income taxes just like charitable deductions and mortgage interest.
    No; you're wrong. It should be a right of citizenship. That's the what the People want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    No; you're wrong. It should be a right of citizenship. That's the what the People want.
    No, you're wrong. The Constitution doesn't grant Congress the power to appropriate money for government-run health care. If that's what the people want, they should amend the Constitution first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    They arent children if they are adults.
    Nope; you're wrong. Children are sons and daughters of any age.



    child /tʃaɪld/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[chahyld] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
    –noun, plural chil·dren.
    1. a person between birth and full growth; a boy or girl: books for children.
    2. a son or daughter: All my children are married.
    3. a baby or infant.
    4. a human fetus.
    5. a childish person: He's such a child about money.
    6. a descendant: a child of an ancient breed.
    7. any person or thing regarded as the product or result of particular agencies, influences, etc.: Abstract art is a child of the 20th century.
    8. a person regarded as conditioned or marked by a given circumstance, situation, etc.: a child of poverty; a child of famine.
    9. British Dialect Archaic. a female infant.
    10. Archaic. childe.
    —Idiom
    11. with child, pregnant: She's with child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5stringJeff View Post
    No, you're wrong. The Constitution doesn't grant Congress the power to appropriate money for government-run health care. If that's what the people want, they should amend the Constitution first.
    Nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    No; you're wrong. It should be a right of citizenship. That's the what the People want.
    You cant tell people that they have a right to other people's labor. That's what "free health care" is. People have to labor to produce it. All you are advocating is modern day slavery. That is what its called when you force people to labor for others.

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