".....Ask for COVID vaccine proof, face a $5,000 fine in Florida"

[LongTermGuy]

"Florida will start issuing $5,000 fines to businesses, schools and government agencies that require people to show proof of a COVID-19 vaccination.
Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a bill earlier this year that banned vaccine passports."




https://www.local10.com/news/florida...content=wplg10

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

"Florida will start issuing $5,000 fines to businesses, schools and government agencies that require people to show proof of a COVID-19 vaccination.
Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a bill earlier this year that banned vaccine passports."




https://www.local10.com/news/florida...content=wplg10

Finally some much needed action against this Nazi push by the treasonous dem/lib/leftist led Feds....===

They and their damn ffkking-- "" papers please"" with the german accent converted to dummy-scum dem english...--Tyr


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[fj1200]

"Florida will start issuing $5,000 fines to businesses, ... that require people to show proof of a COVID-19 vaccination.
Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a bill earlier this year that banned vaccine passports."

I'm sure the businesses part at the very least won't stand up. Property rights and all.

[LongTermGuy]

I'm sure the businesses part at the very least won't stand up. Property rights and all.

Im sure we will see..

[revelarts]

I'm sure the businesses part at the very least won't stand up. Property rights and all.

Property rights?
Ok So Are customers or employees "property?"
you got to do better than that.
What law or right give any business the power to demand someone take medications FJ?

[Juicer66]

It's all about mass sentiment building , maturing and then erupting .

When the tilt moment arrives , discussions points disappear .

Without a successful revolution the USA becomes a third world power block , ridiculed for generations .

[Gunny]

Property rights?
Ok So Are customers or employees "property?"
you got to do better than that.
What law or right give any business the power to demand someone take medications FJ?

What law says owners/employers can't protect their work environment and employees as they see fit?

The problem I see is those pushing so damned hard against this are going to force the government to choose, and we already know which way they go. So all you fighting for your "Right" to do whatever the Hell you want to society so long as it suits you are going to be THE reason it gets turned into law.

And yes, that IS what it amounts to: placing your individual "Rights" over the collective Rights of the people to be protected by the government.

I would just as soon it not get pushed that far that it becomes law.

[revelarts]

What law says owners/employers can't protect their work environment and employees as they see fit?
The problem I see is those pushing so damned hard against this are going to force the government to choose, and we already know which way they go. So all you fighting for your "Right" to do whatever the Hell you want to society so long as it suits you are going to be THE reason it gets turned into law.
And yes, that IS what it amounts to: placing your individual "Rights" over the collective Rights of the people to be protected by the government.
I would just as soon it not get pushed that far that it becomes law.

"...And yes, that IS what it amounts to: placing your individual "Rights" over the collective Rights of the people to be protected by the government...."
Isn't that exactly the same rational those use that want to take people's guns?
So, Are gun rights the only ones we should speak up about?
Or should we just allow whatever the government and corporations decide because the Government/Big Biz are gonna win anyway since some people are afraid?

[SassyLady]

Hey .. if a business wants to ask for covid Vax card they should also ask to see all the other vaccines we've taken. Why just this one?

And, will that lead to the vaccinated demanding to see staff Vax cards? What ever happened to HIPPA?

[Gunny]

"...And yes, that IS what it amounts to: placing your individual "Rights" over the collective Rights of the people to be protected by the government...."
Isn't that exactly the same rational those use that want to take people's guns?
So, Are gun rights the only ones we should speak up about?
Or should we just allow whatever the government and corporations decide because the Government/Big Biz are gonna win anyway since some people are afraid?

Never mind. This is just going to start a fight.

[Black Diamond]

"...And yes, that IS what it amounts to: placing your individual "Rights" over the collective Rights of the people to be protected by the government...."
Isn't that exactly the same rational those use that want to take people's guns?
So, Are gun rights the only ones we should speak up about?
Or should we just allow whatever the government and corporations decide because the Government/Big Biz are gonna win anyway since some people are afraid?

Yeah I hope I am not too late to the party. But should employers be allowed to demand access to my health records? I feel that a Vax card would fall under that.

[fj1200]

Property rights?
Ok So Are customers or employees "property?"
you got to do better than that.
What law or right give any business the power to demand someone take medications FJ?

This thread as I'm reading it is an apparent attempt to stop businesses et al from demanding proof of the covid vaccine. Government shouldn't have the ability to tell a business what to do on their private property. If you're going to walk into a business you should be prepared to meet their requirement. And no, no person is property; it's what they do on a business owner's property.

Extending that, businesses should also have the right to require employees to take certain measures. Vaccine, mask, etc.

[icansayit]

https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/summary/
Plot Overview
Summary Plot Overview
Winston Smith is a low-ranking member of the ruling Party in London, in the nation of Oceania. Everywhere Winston goes, even his own home, the Party watches him through telescreens; everywhere he looks he sees the face of the Party’s seemingly omniscient leader, a figure known only as Big Brother. The Party controls everything in Oceania, even the people’s history and language. Currently, the Party is forcing the implementation of an invented language called Newspeak, which attempts to prevent political rebellion by eliminating all words related to it. Even thinking rebellious thoughts is illegal. Such thoughtcrime is, in fact, the worst of all crimes.

It doesn't take long to see what is presently happening IN OUR NATION TODAY. Look at the BOLDED sentence above. SOUND FAMILIAR???

[revelarts]

This thread as I'm reading it is an apparent attempt to stop businesses et al from demanding proof of the covid vaccine.

Yes exactly, people's rights to their personal medical information and their own health care, trump imaginary corporate rights.
In a good republic that is.

Government shouldn't have the ability to tell a business what to do on their private property.

A business shouldn't have the ability to tell a person what to put in their bodies.

If you're going to walk into a business you should be prepared to meet their requirement. And no, no person is property; it's what they do on a business owner's property.

Transact business or work a job. is what people want to do on a business owner's property.
And making a requirement of a Vaccine before doing biz is wrong headed scientifically (most people don't need um and vaccines are not the only alt), morally (invasion of privacy and human right), socially (creates a discriminated sub-class) , and business wise (it reduces the number of potential customers).
As well as sets up a HORRIFIC precedent.
which I suspect You and many other don't care about becasue Covid has filled people's minds with fear so they can't see past it.
If a Biz can deny service until they see proof of Vaccine Cover what else can they demand for "their safety"?
LTG mentioned several other items Proof of citizenship, other vaccine records, criminal records, political party/ideas.
With today's climate of fear and BSery a biz could LOOK at someone and think they are "dangerous" for various reasons (their WHITE! Their BLACK! they look Illegal!) and demand some supposed form of proof they are not.

And eye rolling and won't make this go away.
I warned that the "war on terror" tools would be turned on American citizens and , baddabing badda boom here we are Homeland security is on the trail of Domestic terrorist who voted for Trump, and questions elections, who are going to blow up and take over America!
the Chinese already run a Social credit system that favors or blocks Citizens from buying selling and various private and public serives based on compliance with certain norms. oligrac... I mean Business... would love to have that here.

Extending that, businesses should also have the right to require employees to take certain measures. Vaccine, mask, etc.

really?
OK, Let's put it this way.
What medications can't businesses require employees to take... for safety... or heck... their insurance. can't have people walking in or working that might be a danger to the bottom line. Since gov't cant tell biz what to do, right?

And As Sassy mentioned doesn't HIPPA block Employers from even KNOWING what medications employees take?
"Should" HIPAA be Scraped because it's a business owners property and they have RIGHT to know and FORCE/Require people take medications that are good for the business?
....
Also How about this.
If a biz does have a "right" to require a customer or employee to have a vaccine.
Does the employer take full responsibility for any injury from those vaccines?
Or does the RIGHT to pay for injury somehow magically fall on the gov't?
Or the vaccine maker, even though the biz was the one that REQUIRED it's use?

do responsibilities come with "property rights" or just rights?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yes exactly, people's rights to their personal medical information and their own health care, trump imaginary corporate rights.
In a good republic that is.


A business shouldn't have the ability to tell a person what to put in their bodies.


Transact business or work a job. is what people want to do on a business owner's property.
And making a requirement of a Vaccine before doing biz is wrong headed scientifically (most people don't need um and vaccines are not the only alt), morally (invasion of privacy and human right), socially (creates a discriminated sub-class) , and business wise (it reduces the number of potential customers).
As well as sets up a HORRIFIC precedent.
which I suspect You and many other don't care about becasue Covid has filled people's minds with fear so they can't see past it.
If a Biz can deny service until they see proof of Vaccine Cover what else can they demand for "their safety"?
LTG mentioned several other items Proof of citizenship, other vaccine records, criminal records, political party/ideas.
With today's climate of fear and BSery a biz could LOOK at someone and think they are "dangerous" for various reasons (their WHITE! Their BLACK! they look Illegal!) and demand some supposed form of proof they are not.

And eye rolling and won't make this go away.
I warned that the "war on terror" tools would be turned on American citizens and , baddabing badda boom here we are Homeland security is on the trail of Domestic terrorist who voted for Trump, and questions elections, who are going to blow up and take over America!
the Chinese already run a Social credit system that favors or blocks Citizens from buying selling and various private and public serives based on compliance with certain norms. oligrac... I mean Business... would love to have that here.


really?
OK, Let's put it this way.
What medications can't businesses require employees to take... for safety... or heck... their insurance. can't have people walking in or working that might be a danger to the bottom line. Since gov't cant tell biz what to do, right?

And As Sassy mentioned doesn't HIPPA block Employers from even KNOWING what medications employees take?
"Should" HIPAA be Scraped because it's a business owners property and they have RIGHT to know and FORCE/Require people take medications that are good for the business?
....
Also How about this.
If a biz does have a "right" to require a customer or employee to have a vaccine.
Does the employer take full responsibility for any injury from those vaccines?
Or does the RIGHT to pay for injury somehow magically fall on the gov't?
Or the vaccine maker, even though the biz was the one that REQUIRED it's use?

do responsibilities come with "property rights" or just rights?

Careful rev- or else you may cause fj to blow a fuse..
To me it is going to be very interesting to see if fj just ignores your questions that demand more than just a short, curt and false flag type of reply.
As I've seen fj do over the years so often.
Yes sir, this will require fj to do a bit more than the very shortest replies that fj can muster.....

I mean fj is fully invested in whatever can and will cleverly attack "we dreaded and monstrous conservatives"-or "we that are blinded by patriotism" or "we that practice a faith" that is not -- ideologically leftist based....
I just hope that you do not get his favorite little avoidance reply-- "" "".....---Tyr