".....Ask for COVID vaccine proof, face a $5,000 fine in Florida"

[fj1200]

Property rights?
Ok So Are customers or employees "property?"
you got to do better than that.
What law or right give any business the power to demand someone take medications FJ?

This thread as I'm reading it is an apparent attempt to stop businesses et al from demanding proof of the covid vaccine. Government shouldn't have the ability to tell a business what to do on their private property. If you're going to walk into a business you should be prepared to meet their requirement. And no, no person is property; it's what they do on a business owner's property.

Extending that, businesses should also have the right to require employees to take certain measures. Vaccine, mask, etc.

[fj1200]

Hey .. if a business wants to ask for covid Vax card they should also ask to see all the other vaccines we've taken. Why just this one?

And, will that lead to the vaccinated demanding to see staff Vax cards? What ever happened to HIPPA?

It's been in the news.

[Black Diamond]

My wife was required to get a flu shot working in the emergency room as a nurse. There *may* be precedence here. I agree employees are not property of the employer. They are, at this point anyway, free to leave at any time.

[Black Diamond]

It's been in the news.

I don't remember anything like this with H1N1. Other than my wife was required to get the shot for it working in health care.

[fj1200]

^^A difference between a medical professional and a run of the mill business.

[fj1200]

I don't remember anything like this with H1N1. Other than my wife was required to get the shot for it working in health care.

I don't recall H1N1 doing anything like this.

[Black Diamond]

^^A difference between a medical professional and a run of the mill business.

I think that would be pointed out very quickly.

[Black Diamond]

I don't recall H1N1 doing anything like this.

What precedent is this setting?

[fj1200]

What precedent is this setting?

The "article" was so poorly written it's hard to tell. But it seems the government wants the ability to tell private business and local-er governments/schools what to do.

[icansayit]

https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/summary/
Plot Overview
Summary Plot Overview
Winston Smith is a low-ranking member of the ruling Party in London, in the nation of Oceania. Everywhere Winston goes, even his own home, the Party watches him through telescreens; everywhere he looks he sees the face of the Party’s seemingly omniscient leader, a figure known only as Big Brother. The Party controls everything in Oceania, even the people’s history and language. Currently, the Party is forcing the implementation of an invented language called Newspeak, which attempts to prevent political rebellion by eliminating all words related to it. Even thinking rebellious thoughts is illegal. Such thoughtcrime is, in fact, the worst of all crimes.

It doesn't take long to see what is presently happening IN OUR NATION TODAY. Look at the BOLDED sentence above. SOUND FAMILIAR???

[revelarts]

This thread as I'm reading it is an apparent attempt to stop businesses et al from demanding proof of the covid vaccine.

Yes exactly, people's rights to their personal medical information and their own health care, trump imaginary corporate rights.
In a good republic that is.

Government shouldn't have the ability to tell a business what to do on their private property.

A business shouldn't have the ability to tell a person what to put in their bodies.

If you're going to walk into a business you should be prepared to meet their requirement. And no, no person is property; it's what they do on a business owner's property.

Transact business or work a job. is what people want to do on a business owner's property.
And making a requirement of a Vaccine before doing biz is wrong headed scientifically (most people don't need um and vaccines are not the only alt), morally (invasion of privacy and human right), socially (creates a discriminated sub-class) , and business wise (it reduces the number of potential customers).
As well as sets up a HORRIFIC precedent.
which I suspect You and many other don't care about becasue Covid has filled people's minds with fear so they can't see past it.
If a Biz can deny service until they see proof of Vaccine Cover what else can they demand for "their safety"?
LTG mentioned several other items Proof of citizenship, other vaccine records, criminal records, political party/ideas.
With today's climate of fear and BSery a biz could LOOK at someone and think they are "dangerous" for various reasons (their WHITE! Their BLACK! they look Illegal!) and demand some supposed form of proof they are not.

And eye rolling and won't make this go away.
I warned that the "war on terror" tools would be turned on American citizens and , baddabing badda boom here we are Homeland security is on the trail of Domestic terrorist who voted for Trump, and questions elections, who are going to blow up and take over America!
the Chinese already run a Social credit system that favors or blocks Citizens from buying selling and various private and public serives based on compliance with certain norms. oligrac... I mean Business... would love to have that here.

Extending that, businesses should also have the right to require employees to take certain measures. Vaccine, mask, etc.

really?
OK, Let's put it this way.
What medications can't businesses require employees to take... for safety... or heck... their insurance. can't have people walking in or working that might be a danger to the bottom line. Since gov't cant tell biz what to do, right?

And As Sassy mentioned doesn't HIPPA block Employers from even KNOWING what medications employees take?
"Should" HIPAA be Scraped because it's a business owners property and they have RIGHT to know and FORCE/Require people take medications that are good for the business?
....
Also How about this.
If a biz does have a "right" to require a customer or employee to have a vaccine.
Does the employer take full responsibility for any injury from those vaccines?
Or does the RIGHT to pay for injury somehow magically fall on the gov't?
Or the vaccine maker, even though the biz was the one that REQUIRED it's use?

do responsibilities come with "property rights" or just rights?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yes exactly, people's rights to their personal medical information and their own health care, trump imaginary corporate rights.
In a good republic that is.


A business shouldn't have the ability to tell a person what to put in their bodies.


Transact business or work a job. is what people want to do on a business owner's property.
And making a requirement of a Vaccine before doing biz is wrong headed scientifically (most people don't need um and vaccines are not the only alt), morally (invasion of privacy and human right), socially (creates a discriminated sub-class) , and business wise (it reduces the number of potential customers).
As well as sets up a HORRIFIC precedent.
which I suspect You and many other don't care about becasue Covid has filled people's minds with fear so they can't see past it.
If a Biz can deny service until they see proof of Vaccine Cover what else can they demand for "their safety"?
LTG mentioned several other items Proof of citizenship, other vaccine records, criminal records, political party/ideas.
With today's climate of fear and BSery a biz could LOOK at someone and think they are "dangerous" for various reasons (their WHITE! Their BLACK! they look Illegal!) and demand some supposed form of proof they are not.

And eye rolling and won't make this go away.
I warned that the "war on terror" tools would be turned on American citizens and , baddabing badda boom here we are Homeland security is on the trail of Domestic terrorist who voted for Trump, and questions elections, who are going to blow up and take over America!
the Chinese already run a Social credit system that favors or blocks Citizens from buying selling and various private and public serives based on compliance with certain norms. oligrac... I mean Business... would love to have that here.


really?
OK, Let's put it this way.
What medications can't businesses require employees to take... for safety... or heck... their insurance. can't have people walking in or working that might be a danger to the bottom line. Since gov't cant tell biz what to do, right?

And As Sassy mentioned doesn't HIPPA block Employers from even KNOWING what medications employees take?
"Should" HIPAA be Scraped because it's a business owners property and they have RIGHT to know and FORCE/Require people take medications that are good for the business?
....
Also How about this.
If a biz does have a "right" to require a customer or employee to have a vaccine.
Does the employer take full responsibility for any injury from those vaccines?
Or does the RIGHT to pay for injury somehow magically fall on the gov't?
Or the vaccine maker, even though the biz was the one that REQUIRED it's use?

do responsibilities come with "property rights" or just rights?

Careful rev- or else you may cause fj to blow a fuse..
To me it is going to be very interesting to see if fj just ignores your questions that demand more than just a short, curt and false flag type of reply.
As I've seen fj do over the years so often.
Yes sir, this will require fj to do a bit more than the very shortest replies that fj can muster.....

I mean fj is fully invested in whatever can and will cleverly attack "we dreaded and monstrous conservatives"-or "we that are blinded by patriotism" or "we that practice a faith" that is not -- ideologically leftist based....
I just hope that you do not get his favorite little avoidance reply-- "" "".....---Tyr

[fj1200]

Pardon my short answers, I shouldn't have read this at 6:30 in the morning. The Homeland Security and the Chinese references threw me off.

Yes exactly, people's rights to their personal medical information and their own health care, trump imaginary corporate rights.
In a good republic that is.

I think we're getting ahead of ourselves on a poorly written story. You have the option of not going in to the store.

A business shouldn't have the ability to tell a person what to put in their bodies.

Correct. But they don't have to let you in the door.

Transact business or work a job. is what people want to do on a business owner's property.
And making a requirement of a Vaccine before doing biz is wrong headed scientifically (most people don't need um and vaccines are not the only alt), morally (invasion of privacy and human right), socially (creates a discriminated sub-class) , and business wise (it reduces the number of potential customers).
As well as sets up a HORRIFIC precedent.
which I suspect You and many other don't care about becasue Covid has filled people's minds with fear so they can't see past it.
If a Biz can deny service until they see proof of Vaccine Cover what else can they demand for "their safety"?
LTG mentioned several other items Proof of citizenship, other vaccine records, criminal records, political party/ideas.
With today's climate of fear and BSery a biz could LOOK at someone and think they are "dangerous" for various reasons (their WHITE! Their BLACK! they look Illegal!) and demand some supposed form of proof they are not.

And eye rolling and won't make this go away.
I warned that the "war on terror" tools would be turned on American citizens and , baddabing badda boom here we are Homeland security is on the trail of Domestic terrorist who voted for Trump, and questions elections, who are going to blow up and take over America!
the Chinese already run a Social credit system that favors or blocks Citizens from buying selling and various private and public serives based on compliance with certain norms. oligrac... I mean Business... would love to have that here.

We can argue about vaccines all day. And we have.

really?
OK, Let's put it this way.
What medications can't businesses require employees to take... for safety... or heck... their insurance. can't have people walking in or working that might be a danger to the bottom line. Since gov't cant tell biz what to do, right?

And As Sassy mentioned doesn't HIPPA block Employers from even KNOWING what medications employees take?
"Should" HIPAA be Scraped because it's a business owners property and they have RIGHT to know and FORCE/Require people take medications that are good for the business?
....
Also How about this.
If a biz does have a "right" to require a customer or employee to have a vaccine.
Does the employer take full responsibility for any injury from those vaccines?
Or does the RIGHT to pay for injury somehow magically fall on the gov't?
Or the vaccine maker, even though the biz was the one that REQUIRED it's use?

do responsibilities come with "property rights" or just rights?

I think when all of this covid is behind us I don't think we're going to be talking about any real precedent happening here. But the point I was making in this thread is that it is also government overreach for them to decide to fine a business owner $5,000 for how they have chose to run their business.

[fj1200]

Careful rev- or else you may cause fj to blow a fuse..
To me it is going to be very interesting to see if fj just ignores your questions that demand more than just a short, curt and false flag type of reply.
As I've seen fj do over the years so often.
Yes sir, this will require fj to do a bit more than the very shortest replies that fj can muster.....

I mean fj is fully invested in whatever can and will cleverly attack "we dreaded and monstrous conservatives"-or "we that are blinded by patriotism" or "we that practice a faith" that is not -- ideologically leftist based....
I just hope that you do not get his favorite little avoidance reply-- "" "".....---Tyr

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

[Gunny]

How? (hands out shaking my head shrugging)

Fair question. Answer: Due to a lack of paying attention, I was outside yesterday going on a run, then mowing/trimming up the lawn. After the fact I happened to run across the weather. 97 feels like 106 heat advisory. Didn't bother me at the time, but it did exhaust me. Not exactly a teenager anymore

I made the decision when I realized I was exhausted and in a shitty, intolerant mood that it would be in the best interest of the whole that the individual just take his ass to bed. Forcing everyone to suffer because the individual is in a pissy mood is not how I roll. It's called consideration for those around you and how individual, self-centered decisions can affect everyone around you.

It was my choice