Biden vaccine mandate

[SassyLady]

You are not dealing with the facts as they exist.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...s-fourth-wave/

The U.S. is experiencing another spike in COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations driven by the emergence of the Delta variant. A large majority of new hospitalizations and deaths from COVID-19 are occurring among unvaccinated people. A new CDC reportTrusted Source shows that since July 26, there have been only 6,587 reports of breakthrough infections that resulted in hospitalization or death among 163 million fully vaccinated people — a percentage of 0.01 percent or less.

There are no trusted sources from CDC. That's your first mistake. 2nd mistake is trusting anything from Washington Post.

If unvaccinated people are dying from covid that is a choice they made by not being vaccinated.

What about the people who are dying who have been vaccinated? Why are agencies lying about that?

[revelarts]

You are not dealing with the facts as they exist.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...s-fourth-wave/

The U.S. is experiencing another spike in COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations driven by the emergence of the Delta variant. A large majority of new hospitalizations and deaths from COVID-19 are occurring among unvaccinated people. A new CDC reportTrusted Source shows that since July 26, there have been only 6,587 reports of breakthrough infections that resulted in hospitalization or death among 163 million fully vaccinated people — a percentage of 0.01 percent or less.

I'm confident that that the number of "6,587" is false.
Look, I'm personally aware of 3 "breakthrough" cases that i found about simply from engaging in light conversations this past week.
1 was hospitalized, but thankfully has recovered.
I'm not sure if any of them were "reported".

But if i can count 3 out of my random small circle of contacts locally there's NO WAY it's just "6,587" out of 163 million.

Sorry, in this case I just don't buy the numbers.

prognosis
CDC Scaled Back Hunt for Breakthrough Cases Just as the Delta Variant Grew​​​​​​
Bloomberg identified more than 100,000 vaccine breakthroughs
By Drew Armstrong
Rebecca Torrence
, andFiona Rutherford
July 30, 2021, 2:56 PM EDT

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...a-variant-grew

[fj1200]

But if i can count 3 out of my random small circle of contacts locally there's NO WAY it's just "6,587" out of 163 million.

If those in your circle weren't hospitalized or dead then no, they wouldn't be in that number.

[jimnyc]

A bunch of flip floppers aboput mandating the vaccine. Fauci said no, Biden said no, Harris said no, Pelosi said no.... and now they are all for it. Pathetic.

Unconstitutional IMO.

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Pelosi in April 2021: 'We Cannot Require Someone to be Vaccinated. That's Just Not What We Can Do'

On Thursday, President Joe Biden announced that he is mandating COVID vaccines for the entire federal workforce and federal contractors and requiring large employers to ensure their employees are either vaccinated or tested weekly – but, in April, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) declared that “We cannot require someone to be vaccinated.”

“Why not consider something like requiring that everyone be fully vaccinated?” a reporter asked Pelosi at an April 29, 2021 press conference, to which Pelosi repeatedly replied that vaccinations cannot be mandated:

“So, here’s the thing: we cannot require someone to be vaccinated. That's just not what we can do.”

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“So, if we could, but we can't require vaccinations for the Members - much less for the American people. Some people want to say, ‘Don't come into my store unless you're vaccinated, this or that.’ It causes commotion.”

Rest - https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-b...-just-not-what

[jimnyc]

And finally, some lawsuits being tossed around. Time to make it's way to the SC and the conservatives in charge.

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‘We Will Fight Biden to the Gates of Hell to Protect Liberty’ – GOP Governors Prepare to Sue Biden Admin Over Unconstitutional Vax Mandate

GOP Governors are already telling their attorneys general to prepare for battle against Joe Biden’s unconstitutional vax mandate.

Joe Biden on Thursday declared war on the unvaccinated and threatened GOP governors when he announced a new federal vaccine mandate.

Federal workers will be forced to take the Covid jab under Biden’s new order.

Additionally, businesses with 100+ employees will be forced to either test workers or prove they are vaccinated.

GOP Governors across the country are already preparing litigation over Biden’s new mandate.

Oklahoma Attorney General John O’Connor said his office is “preparing litigation.”

“My office will vigorously oppose any attempt by the federal gov to mandate vaccines,” O’Connor said. “We are preparing litigation to stand up for our rights and defend the rule of law against the overreach of the federal government.

Rest - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...l-vax-mandate/

[Gunny]

A bunch of flip floppers aboput mandating the vaccine. Fauci said no, Biden said no, Harris said no, Pelosi said no.... and now they are all for it. Pathetic.

Unconstitutional IMO.

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Pelosi in April 2021: 'We Cannot Require Someone to be Vaccinated. That's Just Not What We Can Do'

On Thursday, President Joe Biden announced that he is mandating COVID vaccines for the entire federal workforce and federal contractors and requiring large employers to ensure their employees are either vaccinated or tested weekly – but, in April, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) declared that “We cannot require someone to be vaccinated.”

“Why not consider something like requiring that everyone be fully vaccinated?” a reporter asked Pelosi at an April 29, 2021 press conference, to which Pelosi repeatedly replied that vaccinations cannot be mandated:

“So, here’s the thing: we cannot require someone to be vaccinated. That's just not what we can do.”

….

“So, if we could, but we can't require vaccinations for the Members - much less for the American people. Some people want to say, ‘Don't come into my store unless you're vaccinated, this or that.’ It causes commotion.”

Rest - https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-b...-just-not-what

Agreed. It is unconstitutional. Problem is, they'll decree it, and try to enforce it between the time they do and the Supreme Court shoots it down. That's how the dems have gotten all their unconstitutional crap around the law.

It would be nice if Biden/Dems could stand up to our real enemies in the World instead of our own citizens. It would REALLY be nice if illegals were handguns

[jimnyc]

Here's Biden:

Biden in December 2020: 'I Don't Think' COVID Vaccinations 'Should Be Mandatory'

(CNS News) -- Democratic President Joe Biden is expected to sign an executive order today requiring all federal workers to receive the COVID vaccine, without the option of regular COVID testing to opt out of the mandate.

However, back in December 2020, as president-elect, Biden said that COVID vaccinations should not be mandated by the government, and masks should not be mandated.

While speaking in Wilmington, Del., on Dec. 4, 2020, Biden was asked whether COVID vaccinations should be mandatory. He said, "No, I don't think it should be mandatory. I wouldn't demand it to be mandatory."

He added, "Just like I don't think masks have to be made mandatory nationwide."

"I'll do everything in my power as president of the United States to encourage people to do the right thing and when they do it, demonstrate that it matters," said Biden.

Rest - https://cnsnews.com/article/washingt...ions-should-be

[revelarts]

If those in your circle weren't hospitalized or dead then no, they wouldn't be in that number.

1 was hospitalized maybe one other..
still to much of a "coincidence".

[Black Diamond]

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[Gunny]

The Dems have to figure out a way to keep the pretense of keeping the slave labor at work to fund themselves. Giving them a shot and telling them they're safe to go back to work ought to work for all those people that believe in their cloth face coverings

[Black Diamond]

The Dems have to figure out a way to keep the pretense of keeping the slave labor at work to fund themselves. Giving them a shot and telling them they're safe to go back to work ought to work for all those people that believe in their cloth face coverings

Very well said. And frightening.

[Black Diamond]

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[Gunny]

OAN Newsroom
UPDATED 10:55 AM PT – Friday, September 10, 2021

GOP states are reacting to Joe Biden’s new nationwide vaccine mandate. Following Biden’s statement on Thursday, GOP states have been discussing why they’re opposed.
Following Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s (R) announcement to fight Biden’s order, GOP Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel (Texas) declared the Republican National Committee would be suing the Biden administration.
In their release, McDaniel stated Joe Biden lied when he promised he wouldn’t impose vaccine mandates once he was elected. Additionally, the RNC said for small businesses and workers who don’t have the money to stand up for themselves, they would take matters into their own hands by suing the administration to protect Americans’ rights.


Prior to the announcement, GOP governors began expressing they would also be taking action. Missouri Gov. Mike Parson said the federal government’s actions are not welcome in his state, as working families could see serious consequences.
In addition, Wyoming Gov. Mark Gordon warned his attorney general to prepare to take action in opposing the administration’s “unconstitutional overreach of executive power.” Further, South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster stated the American dream is no more and that the Biden presidency has made it a nightmare. He added “we will fight them to the gates of Hell” in order to protect the liberties of South Carolinians.

In the meantime, the GOP is waiting for the order to go into effect so they can take their next step, which they say is to pursue legal action.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/newreply...9512&noquote=1

The Dems want to cry "insurrection"? Looks like they're creating one to me.

[fj1200]

1 was hospitalized maybe one other..
still to much of a "coincidence".

I think quibbling about the numbers ignores the reality of the situation. Are there breakthroughs? Of course. Are most of those afflicted unvaccinated? Also of course. I'm more convinced that wholesale improvements of the covid situation will be done by vaccines and not any other treatment.

[MtnBiker]

The U.S. is experiencing another spike in COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations driven by the emergence of the Delta variant. A large majority of new hospitalizations and deaths from COVID-19 are occurring among unvaccinated people. A new CDC reportTrusted Source shows that since July 26, there have been only 6,587 reports of breakthrough infections that resulted in hospitalization or death among 163 million fully vaccinated people — a percentage of 0.01 percent or less.

Ok, let’s assume this is accurate. The vaccines have been available for free for months now, so most people who want to be vaccinated are likely already vaccinated. Now, of the 193 million people who are vaccinated have experienced breakthrough cases of 6,587 or .001 percent, then why are the vaccinated people so worried about? In other words to a person who is vaccinated has only a .001% chance of having a breakthrough case. It would be impossible to avoid or guarantee a zero risk to a person for any illness or injury. Other illnesses like the flu can and do result in hospitalization or death. Walking or driving down the road have inherent risk. So perhaps the vaccinated people that are faced with a .001 risk need to calm down.