See the Data on Breakthrough Covid Hospitalizations and Deaths by State

[jimnyc]

It's always better to see as much data as possible to get a better idea on the full results. Instead of picking an area here, or there, this takes 40 states into account.

Overall, both hospitalizations and deaths of folks that were fully vaccinated, is extremely low.

But I have to ask first - Juicer, are these all lies?

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See the Data on Breakthrough Covid Hospitalizations and Deaths by State

Serious coronavirus infections among vaccinated people have been relatively rare since the start of the vaccination campaign, a New York Times analysis of data from 40 states and Washington, D.C., shows. Fully vaccinated people have made up as few as 0.1 percent of and as many as 5 percent of those hospitalized with the virus in those states, and as few as 0.2 percent and as many as 6 percent of those who have died.

There is still a lot we do not know about so-called breakthrough infections — when fully inoculated people contract the virus. And there is some evidence that these cases are becoming more common as the more transmissible Delta variant surges. While vaccines have done a remarkable job at protecting a vast majority of people from serious illness, the data in the Times analysis generally spanned the period from the start of the vaccination campaign until mid-June or July, before the Delta variant became predominant in the United States.

Breakthrough Covid-19 Hospitalizations and Deaths by State

Among fully vaccinated people in each state since vaccination began.





Rest - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-vaccines.html

[fj1200]

But I have to ask first - Juicer, are these all lies?

Once you have his compelling answer you will be moved to combine this thread and the You will be dead soon thread. Felines armed with 20 covid jabs per kitten will surely have you dead within a fortnight.

[Surf Fishing Guru]

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[Abbey Marie]

So, between 1/4 and 1/3 of COVID breakthrough hospitalizations ended in death in Delaware. That sounds bad until you look at them as a percentage of all COVID hospitalizations and deaths.

[Surf Fishing Guru]

It's always better to see as much data as possible to get a better idea on the full results.

True, let's examine what you have placed before us as authoritative . . .

Overall, both hospitalizations and deaths of folks that were fully vaccinated, is extremely low.

Did you really write that on September 12th as representative of the current state of affairs on September 12th, citing a month old article that relies on 3 month old data?

Fully vaccinated people have made up as few as 0.1 percent of and as many as 5 percent of those hospitalized with the virus in those states,

Past tense . . . I'm involved in another thread on another board about Massachusetts (so I've been particularly interested in Massachusetts) and most recent state data does not support the above statement.

The most recent recent reporting (Sept. 10) says vaccinated people comprise 29% of those people hospitalized for COVID.

29% > 1.1% shown in your NY Times chart.

There is still a lot we do not know about so-called breakthrough infections — when fully inoculated people contract the virus. And there is some evidence that these cases are becoming more common as the more transmissible Delta variant surges.

Correct,as it turns out much more common. For Massachusetts, the number of breakthrough infections as a percentage of weekly new infections, is 40%:

So, no matter what President Puddinghead is reading off a teleprompter, our current COVID condition can not be described as "a pandemic of the unvaccinated".

[jimnyc]

True, let's examine what you have placed before us as authoritative . . .



Did you really write that on September 12th as representative of the current state of affairs on September 12th, citing a month old article that relies on 3 month old data?



Past tense . . . I'm involved in another thread on another board about Massachusetts (so I've been particularly interested in Massachusetts) and most recent state data does not support the above statement.

The most recent recent reporting (Sept. 10) says vaccinated people comprise 29% of those people hospitalized for COVID.

29% > 1.1% shown in your NY Times chart.

Correct,as it turns out much more common. For Massachusetts, the number of breakthrough infections as a percentage of weekly new infections, is 40%:

So, no matter what President Puddinghead is reading off a teleprompter, our current COVID condition can not be described as "a pandemic of the unvaccinated".

Odd that you ignored all of my recent posts/threads with stats from parts around the world and all over the US. Prove the data wrong. You as well cite ONE area. How about citing the entire world?

[Surf Fishing Guru]

Odd that you ignored all of my recent posts/threads with stats from parts around the world and all over the US. Prove the data wrong. You as well cite ONE area. How about citing the entire world?

If you were interested in posting a cross section of information from around the world you would take note of Israel with nearly a 90% vaccination rate and runaway infection rates. Israel is the only place doing real scientific investigation about COVID and doing studies that actually inform. The CDC, for all the $$$ dumped into it chooses examining social science instead of medical science.

If you were interested in posting a cross section of information you would post about how the vaccines are failing because the mRNA vaccines are so specific (a single spike protein) they are triggering the development of new variants through antigenic or immune escape. Not to mention the longtime fears trying to develop vaccines for coronaviruses of antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) and how that absolute hell is what is being indicated with the sudden explosion of breakthrough cases around the world.

I explained why I posted info from Massachusetts, it is a good subject for this topic since it is among the top 5 states for vaccine rate and current data destroys what you presented (NY Times article) as the current situation.

Your smarmy, cocky challenge in the OP just begged to be destroyed, "It's always better to see as much data as possible to get a better idea on the full results", ORLY? Why not find the most recent DATA, not just DEMedia propaganda fluffing the pandemic DEMpanic.

You ask, "are these all lies"?

Well, when stale data is presented as the current condition, YES.

The recent spike in cases is being used to justify all manner of mandates and allows sheep to engage in "othering" against people who choose to reject the jab, to a degree not seen for 90 years.

The rise in cases is being characterized as a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" in furtherance of the authoritarianism and ostracism.

Problem is, 29% of cases in a highly vaccinated state are in vaccinated people, which makes, "pandemic of the unvaccinated" a lie, the othering evil, and the authoritarianism, tyrannical.

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[Abbey Marie]

Let’s see. Jim’s nationwide slightly older data, versus your cherry-picked examples.
Not to mention you seem angry and have what looks to be an emotionally-driven anti-vaccine agenda.
I’m so tired of all this.

[jimnyc]

Let’s see. Jim’s nationwide slightly older data, versus your cherry-picked examples.
Not to mention you seem angry and have what looks to be an emotionally-driven anti-vaccine agenda.
I’m so tired of all this.

I've posted data from both sides and have said many times that I favor no side in this entire thing. Folks all have a right to do what they feel is best for themselves and their families. Some read an article from one side and get angered by it. 'It's not recent' - but the data I mentioned reading - I did in fact read. These numbers worldwide are what they are, and the younger folks that are unvaccinated have increased in hospitalization. Let someone get angry at data or what I post, couldn't care less. One can post data from solely the UK in a certain area, or of Israel of which hasn't a much bigger population than Manhattan. But the data they speak of in these areas IS real, but so is the data from elsewhere.

Here's another worldwide article comparing the 2... But it's from the CDC so some will deny.


Delta variant vaccinated vs. unvaccinated: This new CDC chart shows how well COVID-19 vaccines work

If you are still unclear on how well vaccinations work against COVID-19 since delta became the predominant variant, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has put out a new series of data and charts showing just how well the vaccines work against preventing infection, hospitalization, and deaths.

To compile the charts, the CDC looked at data from 13 U.S. jurisdictions between the dates of April 4 and July 17, 2021. Researchers tabulated the number of infections, hospitalizations, and deaths among the not fully vaccinated and the vaccinated—and the results are compelling indeed. The CDC’s data shows that not fully vaccinated people are over 10 times more likely to be hospitalized from COVID-19 and over 10 times more likely to die from it. Not fully vaccinated people are also five times more likely to catch COVID-19 than vaccinated people.
In the timeframe and jurisdictions the data covered, 569,142 not fully vaccinated people caught COVID-19 versus only 46,312 who were fully vaccinated. Of those, 34,972 not fully vaccinated people required hospitalization, while only 2,976 fully vaccinated people did. And regrettably, 6,132 not fully vaccinated people ended up dying of COVID-19, while only 616 fully vaccinated people died from the disease.

The takeaway from the CDC’s data seems clear: Fully vaccinated individuals have a much greater chance of not being impacted by the disease, whether that impact is via infection, hospitalization, or death.

Rest - https://www.fastcompany.com/90675524...-vaccines-work

[Surf Fishing Guru]

Let’s see. Jim’s nationwide slightly older data, versus your cherry-picked examples.

Yes, correct. For discussing current conditions I reject reporting that is examining say May to July . . . It is of minimal relevance to the situation right now with the surge of the Delta variant and its mutations. I chose Massachusetts because it is a state with a high percentage of vaccinated citizens and they publicly report every day.

They publish daily data and running 7 day average every weekday with a one day lag; reporting on hospitalizations yesterday shows data to Sept 14 (you need to click on "hospitalizations" on the page in the link above to show the info below -- I also selected May 1st on the date slider):








Do you see why I reject articles published last week, examining data from May to July, making statements (presented as the current situation by jimnyc) about the "extremely low" percentage of vaccinated people who are hospitalized? Look at the trend line for May to July, before Delta hit us hard.

Now, on Sept 14, 28% of hospitalized COVID patients are vaccinated (200 / 706 = .283)

Is constantly repeating that the unvaccinated are getting sick really that informative? Isn't that a "file that under no shit" statement?

What I see as troubling is the rapid increase (in the last few weeks) in vaccinated people being diagnosed and getting sick, what is the process behind that? And it isn't like it is a surprise, the Provincetown outbreak in July, when 74% of new infections in a week were in the vaccinated, should have been a red-flag.

What benefit is browbeating the nation with cliches that are not true, like "it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated" and the "othering" and blame and edicts that make no sense?

Discussing infection rates and vaccine percentages and effectiveness is best done with current data. Many other states are lacking in data and late if not completely derelict in reporting the data that shows what we need to know NOW. The CDC is even more sluggish and its analysis is more of an autopsy than diagnosis.

Not to mention you seem angry and have what looks to be an emotionally-driven anti-vaccine agenda.

I guess I am angry because natural immunity has been all but ignored by US "experts" while the jab has been pushed for all. I'm not anti-vax, I'm anti-agenda driven policy, masquerading as focused on fighting the disease.

I’m so tired of all this.

Well, it's only going to get worse, much worse as the mNRA vaccines fail and vaccinated become the superspeaders. The narrow, single spike protein mNRA vaccines are what is causing the mutations in the variants through antigenic or immune escape. No matter how many boosters are given, the vaccines will not offer any "immunity" or stop infection and the CDC is desperately trying to delay the public recognition of that fact.

That the vaccines could be making the disease even worse is another concern, one that Fauci warned about when these mNRA vaccines were first being contemplated -- because of the danger in trying to develop vaccines for coronaviruses of antibody dependent enhancement (ADE).



To not inform people of this danger during testing and trials and now, universal (even mandatory) rollout, is a breach of medical ethics.

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[Gunny]

If you were interested in posting a cross section of information from around the world you would take note of Israel with nearly a 90% vaccination rate and runaway infection rates. Israel is the only place doing real scientific investigation about COVID and doing studies that actually inform. The CDC, for all the $$$ dumped into it chooses examining social science instead of medical science.

If you were interested in posting a cross section of information you would post about how the vaccines are failing because the mRNA vaccines are so specific (a single spike protein) they are triggering the development of new variants through antigenic or immune escape. Not to mention the longtime fears trying to develop vaccines for coronaviruses of antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) and how that absolute hell is what is being indicated with the sudden explosion of breakthrough cases around the world.

I explained why I posted info from Massachusetts, it is a good subject for this topic since it is among the top 5 states for vaccine rate and current data destroys what you presented (NY Times article) as the current situation.

Your smarmy, cocky challenge in the OP just begged to be destroyed, "It's always better to see as much data as possible to get a better idea on the full results", ORLY? Why not find the most recent DATA, not just DEMedia propaganda fluffing the pandemic DEMpanic.

You ask, "are these all lies"?

Well, when stale data is presented as the current condition, YES.

The recent spike in cases is being used to justify all manner of mandates and allows sheep to engage in "othering" against people who choose to reject the jab, to a degree not seen for 90 years.

The rise in cases is being characterized as a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" in furtherance of the authoritarianism and ostracism.

Problem is, 29% of cases in a highly vaccinated state are in vaccinated people, which makes, "pandemic of the unvaccinated" a lie, the othering evil, and the authoritarianism, tyrannical.

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Interesting and informative post.

You kinda ruined it with the personal attack thingie though.

[jimnyc]

Interesting and informative post.

You kinda ruined it with the personal attack thingie though.

I'm interested in all of the vaccine info from both sides. I think such info is informative as well. The more the merrier. The more data I can read the more informed I'll be going into the future, as I'm pretty sure this will be around for awhile along with vaccines and boosters.

Funny thing is, post an article covering a small area and folks will accuse you of cherry picking. I post an article from a few sources and they are labeled lies. Seems no matter the subject on the virus and vaccines, someone isn't happy with them.

There are varying degrees of results around the world. But overall speaking it's obvious that the vaccine works and helps more folks than it may place into harms way. Eliminate the elderly from all of the results and it's even more so drastically different.

I KNOW there are negative results being reported - I posted them all myself! But seems some jump on positive results as not only lie - but angry about it, or one calling anyone who does so to be gullible.

And I stand behind what I posted and stated - younger folks without vaccines have risen in hospitalizations, that vaccines overall around the nation are giving positive results in comparison to the negative (of which there are varying reasons behind as stated). And all recent.

[icansayit]

Since Covid began. Less Children have died from the Virus than the number of Black children killed in Chicago...by Other Blacks. Maybe Jake Needs To Visit Chicago For A Month....ONE DAY.