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    Default What do you guys make of this?

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    02-05-2007, 06:35 AM

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    Dear Member of USMB,

    There has been a recent change in policy regarding personal messages (PMs) that has not been publicly announced. Under previous ownership, PMs were private, and not readable by anyone except the sender and recipient. However, new ownership has installed a modification that allows administrators to read PMs. This feature is not a built-in option of the vBulletin system, nor is it condoned by vBulletin (see post #12 here), which is why this option was not used previously.

    Please be aware that your PMs may be read at any time by the board owner. Several members' PMs have been read, and infractions have been issued regarding the contents of these PMs.

    I stand a good chance of being demoted and/or banned from USMB for sharing this information. However, as those who have been around USMB for a while may recognize, I have made every attempt to treat all members fairly in the course of my moderating duties. I felt that this policy should be public knowledge so that no one would inadvertently break the rules via PM, only to find after the fact that their message was not private. Attempts to have this policy announced by the board owner have gone unanswered.

    For further questions about this policy, please feel free to contact the board owner, Greg Bernhardt.

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    I have just recieved this pm from a mod who has just been banned for sending it (I assume).I have removed the mods name for privacy reasons as I do hold privacy in high regard, unlike the new owner of this board.This post will more than likely be deleted shortly and I will probably be banned, in the unlikely event that I am not banned you wouldn't tell the difference because I am soon to leave this board and never come back.

    To Greg Bernhardt and all you other peeping toms, I say fuck you and fuck your board.BYE BYE.

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    You have been banned for the following reason:
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    Date the ban will be lifted: 02-15-2007, 11:00 AM


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    We're a step ahead of ya Roomy.

    Just rest asured, NOTHING, and I repeat, NOTHING, like that will ever happen here.

    I'm taking the liberty of speaking on behalf of all the admin/mod here at this board.

    PM Jimmy if you think I'm pulling your chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    We're a step ahead of ya Roomy.

    Just rest asured, NOTHING, and I repeat, NOTHING, like that will ever happen here.

    I'm taking the liberty of speaking on behalf of all the admin/mod here at this board.

    PM Jimmy if you think I'm pulling your chain.
    He was referring to MFM's banning as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jillian View Post
    He was referring to MFM's banning as well.
    MFM earned his banning in spades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roomy View Post
    Recipients: Jmarie, MJDuncan1982, Redhots, roomy, sagegirl

    02-05-2007, 06:35 AM

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    Dear Member of USMB,

    There has been a recent change in policy regarding personal messages (PMs) that has not been publicly announced. Under previous ownership, PMs were private, and not readable by anyone except the sender and recipient. However, new ownership has installed a modification that allows administrators to read PMs. This feature is not a built-in option of the vBulletin system, nor is it condoned by vBulletin (see post #12 here), which is why this option was not used previously.

    Please be aware that your PMs may be read at any time by the board owner. Several members' PMs have been read, and infractions have been issued regarding the contents of these PMs.

    I stand a good chance of being demoted and/or banned from USMB for sharing this information. However, as those who have been around USMB for a while may recognize, I have made every attempt to treat all members fairly in the course of my moderating duties. I felt that this policy should be public knowledge so that no one would inadvertently break the rules via PM, only to find after the fact that their message was not private. Attempts to have this policy announced by the board owner have gone unanswered.

    For further questions about this policy, please feel free to contact the board owner, Greg Bernhardt.

    Regards,



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    I have just recieved this pm from a mod who has just been banned for sending it (I assume).I have removed the mods name for privacy reasons as I do hold privacy in high regard, unlike the new owner of this board.This post will more than likely be deleted shortly and I will probably be banned, in the unlikely event that I am not banned you wouldn't tell the difference because I am soon to leave this board and never come back.

    To Greg Bernhardt and all you other peeping toms, I say fuck you and fuck your board.BYE BYE.

    Just got my version of this little "memo" too. Nice place huh?

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    What do you guys make of this?
    Here's what I make of it. The moderator who just got banned from USMB for mass PMing everyone has a huge amount of character. I commend him for it. He practices what he preaches and his actions are consistent with what he posts. I'm not surprised that the other USMB admins and moderators haven't spoken up despite their personal rants on censorship and privacy. It says a lot in my book. I've always thought highly of this mod and this only reinforces my opinion of him. Kudos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt mcgirt View Post
    Here's what I make of it. The moderator who just got banned from USMB for mass PMing everyone has a huge amount of character. I commend him for it. He practices what he preaches and his actions are consistent with what he posts. I'm not surprised that the other USMB admins and moderators haven't spoken up despite their personal rants on censorship and privacy. It says a lot in my book. I've always thought highly of this mod and this only reinforces my opinion of him. Kudos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt mcgirt View Post
    Here's what I make of it. The moderator who just got banned from USMB for mass PMing everyone has a huge amount of character. I commend him for it. He practices what he preaches and his actions are consistent with what he posts. I'm not surprised that the other USMB admins and moderators haven't spoken up despite their personal rants on censorship and privacy. It says a lot in my book. I've always thought highly of this mod and this only reinforces my opinion of him. Kudos.

    When I read this thread the first time, the moderator in question immediately came to mind. I agree with everything you've written.

    Now they're denying that PM's are read over at the other board. Typical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt mcgirt View Post
    Here's what I make of it. The moderator who just got banned from USMB for mass PMing everyone has a huge amount of character. I commend him for it. He practices what he preaches and his actions are consistent with what he posts. I'm not surprised that the other USMB admins and moderators haven't spoken up despite their personal rants on censorship and privacy. It says a lot in my book. I've always thought highly of this mod and this only reinforces my opinion of him. Kudos.
    He totally walks the walk. I have huge admiration for him.

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    I still am able to go to said website. Havent been there in a long time..so I have flew under the radar. I asked Kathianne about it and seems as though they are...not trying to deny it...but also trying to act like its no big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jillian View Post
    He totally walks the walk. I have huge admiration for him.
    Same here. Although I only know Jeff from online, it's quite obvious that he has a huge amount of character and integrity. I am extremely grateful to have him a part of our team.

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    Here's fodder for the discusson on whether or not USMB reads PMs:

    I logged on a few days ago - first time in about a month.

    I sent a PM VERY MUCH like this (I can't quote it obviously):

    "Hey Bonnie!! LONG time no-chat! I really hope things are going well for you! I'm not on this board much anymore - hanging out on Jim's new board more and more - www.debatepolicy.com - Drop a note and catch up with me either here, or there! All the best!

    Regards,

    Darin"


    A few minutes later I sent:

    "Heya Hobbit! How's junk and stuff? How's this new board layout working for you? Drop a note when you get a chance! I hope all is well w/ you and yours!

    Darin"

    BAM! I was banned.

    Here's the FIRST excuse Greg Gave:

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg
    dmp and (xxxxx) have been trying to undermine the operation of USMB contacting past and new members about debatepolicy. They have zero interest in USMB and I won't tolerate their childish behavior.
    Later Jim sent Greg an Email asking wtf was up:

    Greg replied:
    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc
    He claimed to me this morn, (Via email) that the user you sent the link to forwarded it to him! Hell, Bonnie ain't been online there in forever!
    Somehow Greg 'knew' I had sent a PM to Bonnie with the link to this board. Fishy, eh?

    Jeff asked Greg, on my belalf:

    Darin (who is a coworker and friend of mine) told me that he got banned after sending a PM to Bonnie (whom he knows in real life). Now Bonnie hasn't been logged in since December 27, so she coulnd't have read her PM yet. So how did he earn his ban?
    Greg's reply - backpedaling:

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg
    I have no idea about dmp and Bonnie. But last night when (xxx) was banned both he and dmp came on usmb. dmp proceed to PM and email several users making it very suspicious (since dmp hasn't been back to site for a month) and I was ready to contact dmp about it until Jim confirmed my suspicions were correct. (emphasis mine -dmp)
    So Darin gets banned for "guilty by association?" Why not contact Darin before banning him?
    Quote Originally Posted by Greg
    Well I made the decision to control the situation first. I took the risk because I knew he wasn't about to start posting at usmb again anyway.
    That's the bottom line. Greg says he was simply watching THIS board after he saw joint-members sending PMs. After a PM was sent, He'd "know" somebody linked that user to this board.

    When Greg first purchased the board he MENTIONED - of course I can no longer point to a direct quote - installing the feature which allows Admins to Read ANY PM sent. He said he'd install it to protect the board from libel, etc.
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    OK, since the cat's out of the bag, here's the deal:

    When I made that announcement last night, I acted as a moderator of USMB, in the interest of the members of USMB. I am not out to start a "board war." I felt that the posters on USMB ought to know what the owner is doing. That said, if Greg wants to read PMs, then Greg gets to live with the consequences of that policy. And as I predicted, I have indeed been banned from USMB for exposing the policy. Oh well.

    Thank you, everyone, for your kind words in this thread.
    Last edited by 5stringJeff; 02-05-2007 at 11:41 AM.

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    He has the courage of his convictions.It's just a shame that there are no others like him over there, they are more interested in protecting their own positions than that of the membership, I think they have killed their own board, no one in their right mind is going to post on that board after this, surely?

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