Military Whistleblower - Pilots be grounded immediately

[fj1200]

I'm sorry but that is leftist pablum.

My apologies. I should have called this populist pablum.

[revelarts]

Show me. With evidence. Not someone's "truth."

You said it yourself it's anecdotal EVIDENCE.
presented by several people we have no good reason to think are mistaken or are lying.

It's seems clear YOU are the one that want's to maintain what you consider "truth" despite of evidence presented.

[fj1200]

You said it yourself it's anecdotal EVIDENCE.
presented by several people we have no good reason to think are mistaken or are lying.

It's seems clear YOU are the one that want's to maintain what you consider "truth" despite of evidence presented.

I'm sorry but there's "truth" which is "the quality or state of being true." And then there's the postmodernist "truth" which is apparently very subjective and very prevalent because everyone gets to have their own. I quoted the Erick Erickson piece which if you want to point out where he's wrong I'll gladly read it. But honestly, "truth" is being misdefined these days just like "racism" is being misdefined these days. I can't count how many times lately I've been accused of denying "truth" recently not to mention some BS about my "approved sources."

I have no problem with someone saying that they took X and now are no longer afflicted with Y but if that then becomes "truth," but in reality is not true, then I dispute the conclusion being made on the basis of it. Whether they're right or whether they're wrong gets bourne out by research and repeatable results.

And I'm not really sure why that is brought up in this thread in the first place. This thread is about the risk of pilots in flight. An example was presented as "truth" but in reality doesn't seem to have really occurred. Sassy's truth can be her friends were cured of cancer after taking fenbenzadole (sp?) but her truth is not some pilots died while piloting an airliner. That either happened or it didn't; And I've not seen any validation yet.

If you want to have a cancer thread about people being cured and new treatments being proposed then I will celebrate the miracles and demand the need for relaxed rules on experimental treatment with you. But here we're discussing vaccinated pilots. If you want to have a thread about whether government should require vaccinations I'll say that they shouldn't (though not sure about health care professionals) right alongside you. I'm pretty sure I haven't been on the side of demanding everyone where a mask. I'm also pretty sure I haven't been on the side of demanding lockdowns. I'm probably letting the globalists down but you know, can't please everyone.

[SassyLady]

I'm sorry but there's "truth" which is "the quality or state of being true." And then there's the postmodernist "truth" which is apparently very subjective and very prevalent because everyone gets to have their own. I quoted the Erick Erickson piece which if you want to point out where he's wrong I'll gladly read it. But honestly, "truth" is being misdefined these days just like "racism" is being misdefined these days. I can't count how many times lately I've been accused of denying "truth" recently not to mention some BS about my "approved sources."

I have no problem with someone saying that they took X and now are no longer afflicted with Y but if that then becomes "truth," but in reality is not true, then I dispute the conclusion being made on the basis of it. Whether they're right or whether they're wrong gets bourne out by research and repeatable results.

And I'm not really sure why that is brought up in this thread in the first place. This thread is about the risk of pilots in flight. An example was presented as "truth" but in reality doesn't seem to have really occurred. Sassy's truth can be her friends were cured of cancer after taking fenbenzadole (sp?) but her truth is not some pilots died while piloting an airliner. That either happened or it didn't; And I've not seen any validation yet.

If you want to have a cancer thread about people being cured and new treatments being proposed then I will celebrate the miracles and demand the need for relaxed rules on experimental treatment with you. But here we're discussing vaccinated pilots. If you want to have a thread about whether government should require vaccinations I'll say that they shouldn't (though not sure about health care professionals) right alongside you. I'm pretty sure I haven't been on the side of demanding everyone where a mask. I'm also pretty sure I haven't been on the side of demanding lockdowns. I'm probably letting the globalists down but you know, can't please everyone.

Wow ... I do believe this is the first time you've given so much info about what you believe without talking in circles. Thank you fj.

Pilots have died while flying.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/de...nation-report/

[fj1200]

Wow ... I do believe this is the first time you've given so much info about what you believe without talking in circles. Thank you fj.

Pilots have died while flying.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/de...nation-report/

You're welcome. It's not, but you're welcome.

Delta says it didn't happen. The FAA says it didn't happen. American Airlines says their pilots didn't die while flying either. Why are these sources better than the airlines? Why are these sources better than the FAA? Has anyone submitted a FOIA request to the FAA yet?

[SassyLady]

You're welcome. It's not, but you're welcome.

Delta says it didn't happen. The FAA says it didn't happen. American Airlines says their pilots didn't die while flying either. Why are these sources better than the airlines? Why are these sources better than the FAA? Has anyone submitted a FOIA request to the FAA yet?

Why do you believe the FAA and AA and not the whistleblowers who witnessed the event?

Without revealing the identities of the whistleblowers, Ruby affirmed she had “vetted” the sources and confirmed their claims. She said her three sources are a Delta Airlines pilot, a Delta Airlines flight attendant who witnessed the event, and a relative of a Delta Airlines employee.
Continuing in her explanation of the events reported to her by the whistleblowing attendant, the deceased pilot was “an LAX based Captain” and the “plane was landed safely” but she is uncertain what explanation, if any, the passengers were given as to why their flight was diverted.
According to Ruby, the flight attendant was told by the co-pilot that the now-deceased captain had “completed his second shot” just “several days prior” to the tragic event.

[fj1200]

Why do you believe the FAA and AA and not the whistleblowers who witnessed the event?

Without revealing the identities of the whistleblowers,

Do I believe unidentified whistleblowers with no details as to the flight number, captain's name, date of the flight, copies of affidavits, etc. Or do I believe the reporting structures of one of the most highly regulated industries in the country?

My mind is boggled why you put so much faith in the unknown when there is so much that is known. You would NEVER accept that sort of reporting from the main stream media.

[SassyLady]

Do I believe unidentified whistleblowers with no details as to the flight number, captain's name, date of the flight, copies of affidavits, etc. Or do I believe the reporting structures of one of the most highly regulated industries in the country?

My mind is boggled why you put so much faith in the unknown when there is so much that is known. You would NEVER accept that sort of reporting from the main stream media.

I really don't accept any reporting from MSM anymore. And, I question when so much effort goes into suppressing info instead of allowing questioning everything. Make all info available and let the people decide what to believe or not. The MSM telling me what to believe is just propaganda.

I mean, after all, the most regulated industry denied UFOs existed when the pilots would report sightings. Now the Pentagon has UFO task force. At some point you have to believe these agencies are just blowing smoke up you know where.

[fj1200]

I really don't accept any reporting from MSM anymore. And, I question when so much effort goes into suppressing info instead of allowing questioning everything. Make all info available and let the people decide what to believe or not. The MSM telling me what to believe is just propaganda.

I mean, after all, the most regulated industry denied UFOs existed when the pilots would report sightings. Now the Pentagon has UFO task force. At some point you have to believe these agencies are just blowing smoke up you know where.

That is sad. Based on the sort of thing that you've been posting and accepting as true lately I find that completely ridiculous. I would hope that you never use the word "truth" again because you have no basis for determining what is true and what is not true because you've shut yourself off from the vast majority of information sources that we have in this country. There is also no need for you to engage in debate here anymore as there will be no common set of facts upon which to form the basis for agreement or disagreement. Perhaps Jim can create a fingers-in-ears subforum where other posters can be forewarned that alternate sources of information and viewpoint contrary to the OP will not be accepted.

[SassyLady]

That is sad. Based on the sort of thing that you've been posting and accepting as true lately I find that completely ridiculous. I would hope that you never use the word "truth" again because you have no basis for determining what is true and what is not true because you've shut yourself off from the vast majority of information sources that we have in this country. There is also no need for you to engage in debate here anymore as there will be no common set of facts upon which to form the basis for agreement or disagreement. Perhaps Jim can create a fingers-in-ears subforum where other posters can be forewarned that alternate sources of information and viewpoint contrary to the OP will not be accepted.

Talk about fingers in ears ... you are adamantly against any source that doesn't conform with your "truth".

I didn't say I don't read MSM ... just that I don't accept their premise without question. The fact that you do means you must be part of the mass formation psychosis that MSM and social media is using. I hope you're able to break free from that soon fj1200. When major sources of facts are being censored it will have a tendency to narrow opinions down to a limited few.

And, I would never suggest there is no place here for you and your opinions.

Some things will always be a lie even if everyone believes it to be true and some things will always be the truth even if everyone believes it's a lie. The number of available sources doesn't make it true or false.

[fj1200]

Talk about fingers in ears ... you are adamantly against any source that doesn't conform with your "truth".

I didn't say I don't read MSM ... just that I don't accept their premise without question. The fact that you do means you must be part of the mass formation psychosis that MSM and social media is using. I hope you're able to break free from that soon fj1200. When major sources of facts are being censored it will have a tendency to narrow opinions down to a limited few.

And, I would never suggest there is no place here for you and your opinions.

Some things will always be a lie even if everyone believes it to be true and some things will always be the truth even if everyone believes it's a lie. The number of available sources doesn't make it true or false.

You said, "I really don't accept any reporting from MSM anymore." That's not a matter of just not accepting a premise without question; it goes beyond that from my reading. I've never said I'm adamantly opposed to any source nor have I said I don't accept information from anyone anymore; you could point out where I have. I've read many things that have been posted, in this thread specifically, and decided that the airlines and the FAA stating that something didn't happen holds more weight than taking someone's word to the veracity of a story which is utterly lacking in detail. You asked why I don't take the word of an eyewitness over the airline/FAA? As far as I've seen that eyewitness has not been identified nor any basic facts of the event in question. The question to me is why you would believe your source in this scenario? You're accepting of information from sources that by any measure are providing less supportable information than the MSM from whom you won't "accept any reporting."

I ddn't say this was no place for your opinions, only that this was no place for you to come to debate. There's a difference. Additionally, I don't accept anyone's premise without question because apparently I'm a natural born contrarian as I think many have accused me of here. But I do agree with one thing you said; true sources are true; the trick is figuring out what is true.

But back to this thread; the only real question is whether pilots are dying while flying. So far there has been no confirmation that they are.

[SassyLady]

But back to this thread; the only real question is whether pilots are dying while flying. So far there has been no confirmation that they are.

Says your source. My source says they did.

Agree to disagree.

[fj1200]

Says your source. My source says they did.

Agree to disagree.

I guess. But your position is not rational.

[SassyLady]

I guess. But your position is not rational.

Yeah, I'm not easily programmable.

[fj1200]

Yeah, I'm not easily programmable.

You mean deprogrammed. You've got the MFP bad.