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    ^^^ Sigh. We can pray for you who act like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeStarkey View Post
    juiceless is such a light weight!



    Would be great to exhibit you at our monthly MENSA meeting .

    Can you recite a poem or tell a joke ? In English?


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    malepatternjuicerless babbles on.

    No one on the Board cannot demonstrate that the vaccines have been anything but wonderful responses to mitigate Covid19 and the variants.

    Most who attack the vaccines are conspiracy theory mutants who long ago lost the ability to think clearly and logically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    neither can the people who died from the vaccines.
    People have always died from vaccines. More have died or been maimed by the diseases than the vaccine.

    Price of doing business.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    People have always died from vaccines. More have died or been maimed by the diseases than the vaccine.
    Price of doing business.
    Shouldn't people have a Choice if they want to pay that price. and KNOW the details of the possible cost.

    And here's the thing, if there are safer alternatives to a sketchy new vaccine, there's really no need to pay that price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Shouldn't people have a Choice if they want to pay that price. and KNOW the details of the possible cost.

    And here's the thing, if there are safer alternatives to a sketchy new vaccine, there's really no need to pay that price.
    If there's a sketchy alternative to a sketchy vaccine?

    I haven't told you nor anyone else to do anything. What I told you is how I think about the topic.

    You take as much chance for things to go South with your self-prognosis/prescription. Do what you want. If I got to tell people what to do, I'd tell them to quit distracting the National attention from what the Government is doing by self-validating.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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    HHS Whistleblower Goes Public With Secret Recordings

    Project Veritas:

    HHS nurse says and records others at a hospital she worked in talking about the high number of adverse reactions and the lack of reporting.
    How a nurse friend of her's died after taking the vax.
    And that even a previously healthy 15 year old kid presented with heart problems after taking the vaccine.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/aZOT6UWRI5fa/


    Johnson & Johnson: 'Kids Shouldn’t Get A F*cking [COVID] Vaccine;' There are "Unknown Repercussions"

    Project Veritas:
    J&J Scientist and Rep don't advise getting vax

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/Qtgf5LkumH0Q/
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    Intravenous Injection of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) mRNA Vaccine Can Induce Acute Myopericarditis in Mouse Model
    https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance...iab707/6353927
    Peer reviewed study
    by Infectious Disease Society of America - HIV medicine association - Oxford university

    Conclusions

    This study provided in vivo evidence that inadvertent intravenous injection of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines may induce myopericarditis. Brief withdrawal of syringe plunger to exclude blood aspiration may be one possible way to reduce such risk...
    ...
    RESULTS: Intravenous SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccine Administration Induced Grossly Visible Pathology in Heart...




    Bottom line, when people give the shot in the arm there's a chance that the vaccine goes into a blood vein instead of the muscle tissue.
    The vaccine makers say it should be given into the muscle.
    The study SHOWS that if given into a vein that it causes the heart problems we are seeing ("rarely") world wide.
    There is a way to administer the shots to check and see if the administer has accidentally hit a vein and to then do it properly but they are NOT doing it.

    In fact the CDC and the WHO and green Book (UK med authorities) DO NOT recommend that those who administer the shot CHECK to make sure they are in a muscle. Saying that there's LESS PAIN/SORENESS if you stick it in, hope for best, and inject away.


    In the PDF there are pictures of dissected mice.
    mice without the vax heart looks fine.
    mice with the vax into the vein hearts literally covered with white crap.
    mice with vax into muscle the heart looks ok.


    But hey, the vaccines are safe! Just trust the CDC and other officials!
    everyone MUST take them! OR ELSE!
    It's Crazy talk to question them.
    Plus IT"S FREE!







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    That anyone thinks that not getting Covid vax is better than getting it, their issue is not one of intellect but one of emotion, and they should get it checked out.

    Vaccines are one of the greatest success stories in public health. Through use of vaccines, we have eradicated smallpox and nearly eliminated wild polio virus. The number of people who experience the devastating effects of preventable infectious diseases like measles, diphtheria, and whooping cough is at an all-time low. To ensure the continued success of vaccines in the United States, it’s crucial to make sure that vaccines are safe.
    “To ensure the continued success of vaccines in the United States, it’s crucial to make sure that vaccines are safe.”



    Before vaccines are approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), scientists test them extensively to ensure they are effective and safe. Vaccines are the best defense we have against infectious diseases, but no vaccine is actually 100% safe or effective for everyone because each person’s body reacts to vaccines differently. [1, 2, 3]
    As infectious diseases become less common, we hear less about the serious consequences of preventable illnesses like diphtheria and tetanus and more about the risks associated with vaccines. It’s good to be informed about health choices, but the reality is that Americans have never been healthier than we are today and vaccines have never been safer than they are today. The benefits of vaccines far outweigh the risks. As science continues to advance, we strive to develop safer vaccines and improve delivery to protect ourselves against disease more effectively. This overview focuses on vaccine research, how vaccines are licensed, and how we make sure vaccines are safe. [1, 2, 3].


    The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act

    During the mid-1970s, there was an increased focus on personal health and more people became concerned about vaccine safety. Several lawsuits were filed against vaccine manufacturers and healthcare providers by people who believed they had been injured by the diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus (DPT) vaccine. [4] Damages were awarded despite the lack of scientific evidence to support vaccine injury claims. [4] As a result of these decisions, liability and prices soared, and several vaccine manufacturers halted production. A vaccine shortage resulted and public health officials became concerned about the return of epidemic disease. To reduce liability and respond to public health concerns, Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) in 1986. This act was influential in many ways. [4, 5].


    • The National Vaccine Program Office (NVPO) was established to coordinate immunization-related activities between all Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) agencies, including the FDA, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), National Institutes of Health (NIH), and the Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA).
    • The NCVIA requires healthcare providers who administer vaccines to provide a vaccine information statement (VIS) to the person getting the vaccine or his or her guardian. A VIS must be given with every vaccination, including each dose in a multi-dose series. Each VIS contains a brief description of the disease as well as the risks and benefits of the vaccine. CDC develops VISs and distributes them to state and local health departments as well as individual providers.
    • The NCVIA also requires healthcare providers to report certain adverse events (health effects occurring after immunization that may or may not be related to the vaccine) following vaccination to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).
    • Under the NCVIA, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) was created to compensate those injured by vaccines on a “no fault” basis.
    • The NCVIA established a committee from the Institute of Medicine (IOM) to review the literature on vaccine reactions. This group concluded that there are limitations in our knowledge of the risks associated with vaccines. The group looked at 76 health problems to see if they were caused by vaccines. Of those, 50 (66%) had no or inadequate research to form a conclusion. [6, 7] Specifically, the IOM identified the following problems:
      1. Limited understanding of biological processes that underlie adverse events.
      2. Incomplete and inconsistent information from individual reports.
      3. Poorly constructed research studies (not enough people enrolled for the period of time).
      4. Inadequate systems to track vaccine side effects.
      5. Few experimental studies were published in the medical literature.

    Significant progress has been made over the past few years to monitor side effects and conduct research relevant to vaccine safety.


    The Vaccine Life Cycle: Safety at Every Phase

    Safety is a Priority During Vaccine Development and Approval

    Before vaccines are licensed by the FDA, they are tested extensively in the laboratory and with human subjects to ensure their safety. First, researchers use computers to predict how the vaccine will interact with the human immune system. Then researchers test the vaccine on animals including mice, guinea pigs, rabbits, and monkeys.
    Vaccine development and approval follows the same general pathway as for drugs and other biologics. A sponsor who wishes to begin clinical trials with a vaccine must submit an Investigational New Drug application (IND) to FDA. The IND describes the vaccine, its method of manufacture, and quality control tests for release. Also included are information about the vaccine’s safety and ability to elicit a protective immune response (immunogenicity) in animal testing, as well as a proposed plan for testing the drug on humans. [9]
    FDA reviews the IND to ensure a vaccine’s use in clinical studies does not place human subjects at unreasonable risk of harm, and adequate informed consent and human subject protections are in place. Participation in these studies is completely voluntary. Many individuals choose to contribute their time and energy for the advancement of science. Before they participate in research, all participants must demonstrate that they understand the purpose of the study and its potential risks. Volunteers agree to receive the vaccine and undergo any medical testing necessary to assess its safety and efficacy. [7].
    Vaccine Life Cycle Fact Sheet
    Learn more about how vaccine safety works in the United States.



    Vaccine licensing is a lengthy process that can take 10 years or longer. The FDA requires that vaccines undergo three phases of clinical trials with human subjects before they can be licensed for use in the general public:

    • Phase 1 trials are small, involving only 20 to 100 volunteers, and last only a few months. The purpose of phase one trials is to evaluate basic safety and identify very common reactions.
    • Phase 2 trials are larger and involve several hundred participants. These studies last anywhere from several months to two years and collect additional information on safety and efficacy. Data gained from phase two trials can be used to determine the composition of the vaccine, how many doses are necessary, and a profile of common reactions.
    • Phase 3 trials are the next step, unless the vaccine is ineffective or causes health problems, and are expanded to involve several hundred to several thousand volunteers. Typically, these trials last several years. Because the vaccinated group can be compared to those who have not received the vaccine, researchers are able to identify true reactions. [1, 3, 7, 8, 9]

    If the clinical trials demonstrate that the vaccine is safe and effective, the manufacturer submits a Biologics License Application (BLA) to FDA requesting two licenses: one for the vaccine (product license), and one for the production plant (establishment license). During the application process, the FDA reviews the clinical trial data and proposed product labeling. In addition, the FDA inspects the plant and goes over manufacturing protocols to ensure vaccines are produced in a safe and consistent manner. Only after the FDA is satisfied that the vaccine is safe is it licensed for use in the general population. [8]
    Once FDA licenses a vaccine, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) develops recommendations on how to use vaccines to control disease in the United States. ACIP is a group of medical and public health experts. Members of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) are among some of the groups that also bring related immunization expertise to the committee.
    The Committee’s recommendations are forwarded to CDC’s Director for approval. Once the ACIP recommendations have been reviewed and approved by the CDC Director and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, they are published in CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR). The MMWR publication represents the final and official CDC recommendations for immunization of the U.S. population. [10]
    Safety Continues with CDC and FDA Monitoring after Approval

    Phase 4 safety monitoring and research begins after a vaccine is licensed and recommended for public use. ACIP continues to monitor vaccine safety and effectiveness data even after the vaccine’s routine use and may change or update recommendations based on that data. Also, FDA requires all manufacturers to submit samples from each vaccine lot prior to its release. Manufacturers must provide the FDA with their test results for vaccine safety, potency, and purity. Each lot must be tested because vaccines are sensitive to environmental factors like temperature, and can be contaminated during production. The FDA rarely has recalled vaccine lots, for concerns such as mislabeling, contamination during production, and potential manufacturing problems at a production plant. [8, 10]
    While clinical trials provide important information on vaccine safety, the data are somewhat limited because of the relatively small number (hundreds to thousands) of study participants. Rare side effects and delayed reactions might not be evident until the vaccine is administered to millions of people. Therefore, the federal government established the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), a surveillance system to monitor adverse events following vaccination. In addition, large-linked databases containing information on millions of individuals, such as the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), have been created to study rare vaccine adverse events. [1, 3]


    How CDC Monitors Vaccine Safety

    CDC and FDA monitor the safety of vaccines after they are approved. If a problem is found with a vaccine, CDC and FDA will inform health officials, health care providers, and the public.
    CDC uses 3 systems to monitor vaccine safety:






    The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP)
    In very rare cases, a vaccine can cause a serious problem, such as a severe allergic reaction.
    In these instances, the VICPexternal icon may provide financial compensation to individuals who file a petition and are found to have been injured by a VICP-covered vaccine. Even in cases in which such a finding is not made, petitioners may receive compensation through a settlement.




    Improvements in Vaccine Safety

    In the last decades, numerous changes in vaccine production and administration have reduced the number of side effects and resulted in safer vaccines.

    • A more purified acellular pertussis (aP) vaccine has been licensed for use and has replaced the whole cell pertussis vaccine used in DTP (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis vaccine). Several studies have evaluated the safety and efficacy of DTaP as compared to DTP and concluded DTaP is effective in preventing disease, and mild and serious side effects occurred less frequently when the DTaP vaccine was given. [3]
    • Changes in the schedule of polio vaccines also have resulted in fewer reports of serious adverse events. In 1997, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices recommended a change in the vaccination schedule to include sequential administration of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) and oral polio vaccine (OPV). [11] This sequential schedule was expected to produce a high level of individual protection against the disease caused by wild polio virus, while reducing by 50 to 70% vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) that occurs in 8–10 people a year who receive OPV. [11] Today, only IPV is on the recommended childhood immunization schedule.



    The Future of Vaccine Safety

    The importance of vaccine safety will continue to grow throughout the 21st century. The development and licensure of new vaccines will add to the already robust immunization schedule. Scientists could also perfect new ways of administering immunizations, including edible vaccines and needleless injections. However they are formulated or delivered, vaccines will remain the most effective tool we possess for preventing disease and improving public health in the future.


    References

    1. Chen RT, Hibbs B. Vaccine safety: Current and future challengesexternal icon. Pediatric Annals 1998;27(7):445–455.
    2. Ellenberg SS, Chen RT. The complicated task of monitoring vaccine safetyexternal icon. Public Health Reports 1997;112(1):10–20.
    3. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (1997) “Epidemiology and prevention of vaccine-preventable diseases, vaccine safety” (chapter 15). Washington DC: Government Printing Office.
    4. Freed GL, Katz SL, Clark SJ. Safety of vaccinations: Miss America, the media, and public healthexternal icon. Journal of the American Medical Association 1996;276(23):1869–1872.
    5. Brink EW, Hinman AR. The vaccine injury compensation act: The new law and you. Contemporary Pediatrics 1989;6(3):28–32, 35–36, 39, 42.
    6. Howson CP, Howe CJ, Finchere HV, eds. Institute of Medicine. Adverse effects of pertussis and rubella vaccinesexternal icon: A report of the Committee to Review the Adverse Consequences or Pertussis and Rubella Vaccines. Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1991.
    7. Stratton KR, Howe CJ, Johnsion RB, eds. Adverse events associated with childhood vaccines; Evidence bearing on causalityexternal icon. Washington, DC; National Academy Press, 1994.
    8. Understanding Vaccines; Bethesda, MD; National Institutes of Health, 2008.
    9. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)external icon.
    10. Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)
    11. Advisory Committee on Immunization Practice (ACIP). Poliomyelitis prevention in the United States: Introduction of a sequential vaccination schedule of inactivated poliovirus vaccine followed by oral poliovirus vaccine. MMWR 1997;46(RR-3);1–25.

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/en...ory/index.html


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    Great public service message.
    Brought to you by Big Pharma international. ... i mean Jake ... your friendly big gov't true believer.

    Jake, that PSA didn't address Any of the specific problems people mentioned in this thread have reported.

    But in reply let me say

    • the covid vaccine was (is still) in phase 3 trials when they rolled it out on the population. There still hasn't been all the normal animal and other trials.

    •Usually Pregnant woman and children are never brought in this early in drugs trials or use. 1 year? Insane.

    •Most reviews for vaccines take 7-10 years to check safety BEFORE they hit the public.

    • the MRNA drug is a COMPLETELY different type of drug, Unused on humans before. It tells the body to produce "cells" that the body then attacks. Other (real) vaccines inject a weak version of the virus so the body can attack the FOREIGN bug. This "vaccine" tells the body itself -the genes- to CREATE a problem.

    •All other new vaccines which have had FEWER adverse affects and deaths than the covid vaccine have been withdrawn from use. The Swine Flu Vaccine is exhibit A. FDA Approved as well BTW.

    •And based on the testimonies of those adversely affected by the vaccines NONE of the VAX makers or the CDC are following up on their side effects, be it nueological, heart related, hearing related, mensural or reproductive issues. And some doctors state they have yet to see autopsy reports, that ... may or may not have been done from people killed or possibly killed by vaccines. Like YOU, the vax makers and the CDC, are IGNORING THEM. AND claiming any and all collateral damage is acceptable.
    BTW In vaccine trials the burden of proof is on the vax maker to show that the VAX DID NOT kill the patient. You don't Assume that it had nothing to do with deaths that occur soon after administering.
    In other countries that's is (was) the law.

    •Then there's the fact that MOST people recover from covid and end up with BETTER immunity than those that take the vax.
    And The people most in danger from covid are Over 65, overweight, and with preexisting conditions.
    If they want the vaccine then they should get it. the benefit may outweigh the risk FOR THEM. (but I doubt it.)

    the EMOTION (FEAR!) is coming from the Pro Vaccine side who somehow can't comprehend that they we might survive, even if everyone doesn't get the 1 year old drug which has even not lived up to it's Hype in ANYWAY. 99.999% effective!

    It was suppose to completely protect from covid. It DOES NOT. (get the vaccine and no more mask, and back to normal... )
    You can still get the disease!
    When's the last time anyone got a Measles BOOSTER SHOT?
    They don't even give out the FLU shot but once at year. But they're saying the Covid vaccine isn't effect beyond 6 months!
    And it doesn't even work at all against the "NEW" Delta Variant. Booster? FOR WHAT? It's the wrong bait for the fish man.

    the Delta Variant is what they tell us is killing people now. And the vaccine IS NOT effective against it. (natural immunity is though right) the other Variant has run it's course. so why get the vaccine or a "booster"?

    Sorry I'm NOT Buying the vaccine snow job Jake.
    FACT is, All "vaccines" are NOT created equal.
    Fact is, people are getting Hurt and the "Vaccine" is Not very effective or EVEN NECESSARY for MOST People.
    Fact the dangers DOWN the LINE 2 3 5 10 years are COMPLETELY unknown.
    how does one figure that risk? non emotionally? Intellectually? and honestly say it's worth it?
    Base on the past track record of new drugs (fact) and the way they are hiding the current problems I'd say it's a bad bet.
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    Outcomes. Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Outcomes. Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated.
    /thread
    Outcomes... for those under 65 in good health Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated 97+% recovered
    Outcomes ... Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated ... longterm = unknown
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    It seems useless to break the conspiracy theory by the anti-vaxxers.

    So their people die in greater numbers. Sad

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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeStarkey View Post
    It seems useless to break the conspiracy theory by the anti-vaxxers.

    So their people die in greater numbers. Sad
    Seem impossible for pro vaxxers to SEE much less acknowledge side effects, deaths or possible long term negative outcomes.
    they assume any who mention them and alternative treatments to vaccines are generally anti vax.
    Sad and dishonest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    People have always died from vaccines. More have died or been maimed by the diseases than the vaccine.Quote]



    At least 150 000 US deaths so far from the vaccines from best and conservative data . But who cares when you have a population of ca 350 million . A drop in the ocean .

    We can get that figure up to a decent level with Boosters . It's a good race between the US and Europe so far .

    What's the betting ?

    Price of doing business.

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