People harmed by vaccine ...testimonies

[JakeStarkey]

Seem impossible for pro vaxxers to SEE much less acknowledge side effects, deaths or possible long term negative outcomes.
they assume any who mention them and alternative treatments to vaccines are generally anti vax.
Sad and dishonest.

Sad and dishonest to post that CDC etc do not post adverse reactions data.

It is done and in great number.

The point the anti-vaxxers can't handle is that the positive effects of vaccination far outweigh the negative effects.

And no sign exists that will change.

[JakeStarkey]

Best science and the best studies show that the anti-vax crowd should be arrested for refusing to accept credible science and, instead, causing many anti-vax adverse reactions. Herman Cain was just one of so many thousands.

[fj1200]

Outcomes... for those under 65 in good health Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated 97+% recovered
Outcomes ... Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated ... longterm = unknown

I should have added... hospitalized.

[NightTrain]

Shouldn't people have a Choice if they want to pay that price. and KNOW the details of the possible cost.

And here's the thing, if there are safer alternatives to a sketchy new vaccine, there's really no need to pay that price.

Yes. Absolutely.


I decided to get vaccinated for a few reasons after a lot of thought.

1) My wife was unable to get vaxxed because she was recovering from an aneurysm surgery and her many doctors involved all universally were very opposed to the idea, because it's not medically considered completely safe and there was no way to know how she would respond to the vax with the cocktail of drugs she was already on and having issues with. At least 6 doctors said it was out of the question when we asked; not one thought it would be a good idea. At that time it was thought there was a minor amount of prevention to becoming infected, so if there was a chance I was protecting her health then it was worth it to me. We now know that it doesn't, but that was then.

2) I'm 50. I've had a heart attack and my heart is about 66% of what it was prior. I had a stroke 10 days after my heart attack. I smoke. I'm definitely in the high risk group and the benefits outweigh the risk of an adverse reaction.

3) Over half of my work involves travel to remote villages around Alaska. Almost every single one has a strict vaccinated-only restriction on who may travel to their villages. This doesn't make much sense, since it's now known that being vaccinated doesn't do anything to reduce infection rates... but it's their policy and I have to abide by their decision if I want to work there.

For these reasons I chose to get vaccinated.

However! If I had been ORDERED by this bumbling fool of a president to get vaxxed, along with the infamous line "my patience is wearing thin!", I would have almost certainly refused the vaccine. I will be damned if I'll be ordered to do something by this idiot because he has no authority over me, and he's demonstrated that his judgement on any issue is 180° from the truth.

I completely understand the immediate resistance by millions of Americans after his attempt to order civilians to take this vaccine. Biden's approach to bully Americans backfired like everything else he's done since he was seated 9 months ago. His goal to get more vaccinated backfired in his face and he immediately & singlehandedly hardened the negative opinions of the unvaccinated by orders of magnitude.

Another thing about this - it's not a vaccine. It's a premptive treatment of symptoms should you become infected. A true vaccine would prevent you from catching this virus and most importantly, prevent you from spreading it to others. Yeah, I know that they changed the definition but that doesn't matter.

[JakeStarkey]

The truth is that the anti-vax scam pushed by the anti-vax cult results in lot of deaths on their side.

[NightTrain]

The truth is that the anti-vax scam pushed by the anti-vax cult results in lot of deaths on their side.

That's their choice. Who are you to take such a basic right away from them?

[Juicer66]

The truth is that the anti-vax scam pushed by the anti-vax cult results in lot of deaths on their side.

Truth ? You mean your opinion

Anti Vaxx scam ? Translate into English .I just fear killer experimental and safety unproven Covid Gene Therapy treatments

Anti Vaxx cult -- Where ? Leader ? Manifesto ?

Deaths ? Let's ignore the likely 150 000 + Americans suggested by WHO figures .

What a tosser you are , Jane .

[JakeStarkey]

Truth ? You mean your opinion

Anti Vaxx scam ? Translate into English .I just fear killer experimental and safety unproven Covid Gene Therapy treatments

Anti Vaxx cult -- Where ? Leader ? Manifesto ?

Deaths ? Let's ignore the likely 150 000 + Americans suggested by WHO figures .

What a tosser you are , Jane .

malepatternJuicerless can't accept the facts.

You are older. I hope you have been vaccinated.

If not you are stupid

[revelarts]

Sad and dishonest to post that CDC etc do not post adverse reactions data.
It is done and in great number.
The point the anti-vaxxers can't handle is that the positive effects of vaccination far outweigh the negative effects.
And no sign exists that will change.

Jake, Can you quote me where i said the "CDC etc do not post adverse reactions data."

I think this might be part of the problem, you ASSUME you read and understand what "antiVaxers" say but you're really reading INTO it what you THINK others are saying, and are making negative assumptions. Rather than looking at the information objectively. While conversely you assume the best of the "official" narratives.

[revelarts]

September 10, 2021, WXYZ-TV Channel 7 posted a request on Facebook,]^1,2 asking people who had lost an unvaccinated loved one to COVID-19 to contact them for a story.
As of September 29, 2021, the post had more than 244,000 comments, and the vast majority are about someone who was injured or died from the COVID shot, or who got severe COVID-19 despite being fully vaccinated. You can browse through the hundreds of thousands of comments here]. Below are some examples of the comments posted on the site:[/INDENT]“My good friend’s grandpa just passed away due to receiving his booster vaccine.”

“How about doing a story about my uncle who was in fine shape until he got vaccinated. Or my boss’s uncle who was healthy and in his 50s, then died suddenly a week after getting vaccinated.”

“My sister-in-law’s father died of a stroke 48H after Moderna vax. He was active and healthy.”

“What about my husband’s boss who had two strokes after her second dose?! Not interested in that story?”

“The shot murdered my friend three weeks after he got it.”

“I have a close friend that now has myocarditis after the shots. High Mortality within 5 years. Perfectly healthy prior to the shots.”

“I know 2 women who had strokes right after their shot.”

]“We lost an uncle to heart inflammation 2 days after he received the vaccine.”

“Lost a very dear man after his second dose of the vaccine and he said he regretted getting it and he advised me not to get it. How about reporting on those? He died of a brain aneurysm, and was a very healthy man.”

]“My beautiful mother passed away recently, 23 days after having the first AstraZeneca shot (that I didn’t know she was getting). ‘Immunization’ was the ‘cause of death’ on her death certificate.”

“I now know more people injured by the vaccine than people who even had covid.”

“No but I know of two people who died from Covid after being fully vaccinated.”

“My uncle passed away 3 months after his second shot. He was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer, had surgery, was released to rehab and then died of a blood clot. Thanks Pfizer.”

“I know two women who had miscarriages within 2 days of taking it.”

[revelarts]

"...While authorities insist the COVID shots are “safe and effective,” mounting data tell a different story. Not only are the injections losing effectiveness within months, as demonstrated by Israeli data discussed in the video above, VAERS has also received more than 726,960 adverse events reports following the COVID shot, including 15,386 deaths and 66,642 hospitalizations, as of September 17, 2021.¹⁷
These numbers are so staggering, there’s really nothing that can compare. In nine months, these shots have caused more VAERS reports of injury and death in the United States than all available vaccines over the past 30 years. A similar situation can be seen in the U.K., where 30,305 people have died within 21 days of their COVID shot. And that was just within the first six months of the vaccine rollout.¹⁸
In August 2021, Japan’s health ministry suspended the use of 1.63 million doses of Moderna’s injection after finding foreign substances that looked like metal particles in some vials. Then, in mid-September, suspected contaminants were discovered in a particular lot of Pfizer’s injection as well.¹⁹ Still, we’re told to just roll up our sleeves and ask no questions.... "

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/10/...orror-stories/

[fj1200]

", these shots have caused more VAERS reports of injury and death in the United States than all available vaccines over the past 30 years.

That's an incorrect statement. VAERS is not a database of causative events. Bad, Lew. Bad. Or whoever.

[revelarts]

That's an incorrect statement. VAERS is not a database of causative events. Bad, Lew. Bad. Or whoever.

it is a correct statement
it says "these shots have caused more VAERS reports of injury and death in the United States than all available vaccines over the past 30 years." That's all it says.
And based on REPORTS it's LIKELY that it's is the cause.
And there's NO doubt that there are FAR less reports than VAERS's data base contains.

[fj1200]

it is a correct statement
it says "these shots have caused more VAERS reports of injury and death in the United States than all available vaccines over the past 30 years." That's all it says.
And based on REPORTS it's LIKELY that it's is the cause.
And there's NO doubt that there are FAR less reports than VAERS's data base contains.

There's nothing "likely" about it. Only that two events happened close together. My guess is that this is the only recent vaccine to have this level of interest and tracking of being dispensed. Not to mention its EUA status and mass rollout.

[JakeStarkey]

Yes. Absolutely.


I decided to get vaccinated for a few reasons after a lot of thought.

1) My wife was unable to get vaxxed because she was recovering from an aneurysm surgery and her many doctors involved all universally were very opposed to the idea, because it's not medically considered completely safe and there was no way to know how she would respond to the vax with the cocktail of drugs she was already on and having issues with. At least 6 doctors said it was out of the question when we asked; not one thought it would be a good idea. At that time it was thought there was a minor amount of prevention to becoming infected, so if there was a chance I was protecting her health then it was worth it to me. We now know that it doesn't, but that was then.

2) I'm 50. I've had a heart attack and my heart is about 66% of what it was prior. I had a stroke 10 days after my heart attack. I smoke. I'm definitely in the high risk group and the benefits outweigh the risk of an adverse reaction.

3) Over half of my work involves travel to remote villages around Alaska. Almost every single one has a strict vaccinated-only restriction on who may travel to their villages. This doesn't make much sense, since it's now known that being vaccinated doesn't do anything to reduce infection rates... but it's their policy and I have to abide by their decision if I want to work there.

For these reasons I chose to get vaccinated.

However! If I had been ORDERED by this bumbling fool of a president to get vaxxed, along with the infamous line "my patience is wearing thin!", I would have almost certainly refused the vaccine. I will be damned if I'll be ordered to do something by this idiot because he has no authority over me, and he's demonstrated that his judgement on any issue is 180° from the truth.

I completely understand the immediate resistance by millions of Americans after his attempt to order civilians to take this vaccine. Biden's approach to bully Americans backfired like everything else he's done since he was seated 9 months ago. His goal to get more vaccinated backfired in his face and he immediately & singlehandedly hardened the negative opinions of the unvaccinated by orders of magnitude.

Another thing about this - it's not a vaccine. It's a premptive treatment of symptoms should you become infected. A true vaccine would prevent you from catching this virus and most importantly, prevent you from spreading it to others. Yeah, I know that they changed the definition but that doesn't matter.

Good on you, NightTrain.

The question of mandatory vaccines was ended with SCOTUS rulings in 1905.

However, I don't think one can be ordered to get it.

I do believe that government and business can fire employees who won't because they do not have a right to be a risk to community health.

Vaccination does reduce the risk of being infected but does not eliminate it.

I do hope you and your wife remain healthy.

ps: I enjoyed running around the Alaskan interior when I was stationed there. A grandson right now has just finished a project in Kotzebue and is headed to Barrow? His friends I think have a cabin near Nolavik. I remember that relations were always dicey up there.