The Nuremberg Code (1947) part 1 Medical Ethics

[revelarts]

Seems that pre WW2 German doctor's associations joined the NAZI party more than ANY OTHER profession (about 50% most of the leading doctors). They Joined voluntarily and enthusiastically. For the HEALTH of the German people, and influenced by the cutting edge "science" of the day, eugenics, racial theories and ideas about "health" etc.. (TRUST THE SCIENCE!)
After WW2 the Nuremberg trails put a few doctors on trial but the bulk of the doctors and nurses that went along were given a pass. It wasn't until 2012 that the German Medical Association made formal apology for it's involvement and influence in the NAZI crimes and movement.

The Nuremberg Code (1947)

"The judgment by the war crimes tribunal at Nuremberg laid down 10 standards to which physicians must conform when carrying out experiments on human subjects in a new code that is now accepted worldwide.
This judgment established a new standard of ethical medical behavior for the post World War II human rights era. Amongst other requirements, this document enunciates the requirement of voluntary informed consent of the human subject. The principle of voluntary informed consent protects the right of the individual to control his own body.
This code also recognizes that the risk must be weighed against the expected benefit, and that unnecessary pain and suffering must be avoided.
This code recognizes that doctors should avoid actions that injure human patients.
The principles established by this code for medical practice now have been extened into general codes of medical ethics."

Section 1

"The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision.This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.

The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.

But like our laws against torture and spying on citizens the U.S. have been tossed into the crapper. (because of so-called "emergency" - "crisis" - "war") Anything goes! Constitution, laws, codes, treaties, ethics, morals, religion or love of freedom are not what guides us, just supposed pragmatic reactions, driven by raw panic at the 1st whiffs of death or danger. (propaganda about death or danger)
At that point the state has the power to do WHATEVER it and the people think is "necessary".

Fear makes it OK.

Seems that the Constitution, Christianity, morals, ethics, even freedom only ever partly apply.
And then only during the good times not in "the real world" where we have to fear death raining down on us from Terrorist, Communist, Immigrants, Crime, Viruses, Climate, or Fill-in-Blank threat du jour the media and politicians promote.

They play the people's fears like a piano, making too many of us BEG for more of their oversite and control... of other people of course... dangerous people that don't follow the rules that "keep us safe".


A few of us will speak up about this CURRENT offense of against our individual Freedoms . COERCED Medical Experimentation, COERCED Medication. and hope the masses will stop being afraid long enough to think before their gov't "SOLUTIONS" harm to many more people.
And toss another major freedom into the crapper in the name of safety.

[Gunny]

How desperate to make a case is one when one is quoting the biggest farce, dog-n-pony show by victors in the 20th century?

Your argument is moot since the vaccines are FDA approved and not considered experimental.

[revelarts]

How desperate to make a case is one when one is quoting the biggest farce, dog-n-pony show by victors in the 20th century?

Your argument is moot since the vaccines are FDA approved and not considered experimental.

I'm not sure how anyone can assume that people ONLY have the right to reject "experimental" treatments but the gov't has the right to force the public to take "Approved" medications and "treatments" without consent.
that doesn't sounds crazy to you?

What other meds do you want the gov't to compel you to take, to heart meds, liver meds, cancer meds, weight loss meds? Even with mental patients there has to be a Court order, after an examination and trial to administer meds. And those laws are on shaky ground

Also the trials of these drugs is still ongoing, they won't end until 2022 2023 . and after that they'll still be under review.

[Gunny]

I'm not sure how anyone can assume that people ONLY have the right to reject "experimental" treatments but the gov't has the right to force the public to take "Approved" medications and "treatments" without consent.
that doesn't sounds crazy to you?

What other meds do you want the gov't to compel you to take, to heart meds, liver meds, cancer meds, weight loss meds? Even with mental patients there has to be a Court order, after an examination and trial to administer meds. And those laws are on shaky ground

Also the trials of these drugs is still ongoing, they won't end until 2022 2023 . and after that they'll still be under review.

Doesn't matter what it "sounds like" to me. It matters how words are used in court. When was the last time you heard of the Federal government losing anything of significance in court?

It doesn't. It's all about the words.

[Juicer66]

How desperate to make a case is one when one is quoting the biggest farce, dog-n-pony show by victors in the 20th century?

Your argument is moot since the vaccines are FDA approved and not considered experimental.

More Conspiracy nonsense .

They are reported as Experimental by the FDA , CDC , and the producers .

Where do you get your nonsense from ? fj ?

[Gunny]

More Conspiracy nonsense .

They are reported as Experimental by the FDA , CDC , and the producers .

Where do you get your nonsense from ? fj ?

Incorrect. The fact that it is FDA approved moves it from the experimental list for Government purposes. No conspiracy required as in your contrived nonsense. It's a fact.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Seems that pre WW2 German doctor's associations joined the NAZI party more than ANY OTHER profession (about 50% most of the leading doctors). They Joined voluntarily and enthusiastically. For the HEALTH of the German people, and influenced by the cutting edge "science" of the day, eugenics, racial theories and ideas about "health" etc.. (TRUST THE SCIENCE!)
After WW2 the Nuremberg trails put a few doctors on trial but the bulk of the doctors and nurses that went along were given a pass. It wasn't until 2012 that the German Medical Association made formal apology for it's involvement and influence in the NAZI crimes and movement.

The Nuremberg Code (1947)

"The judgment by the war crimes tribunal at Nuremberg laid down 10 standards to which physicians must conform when carrying out experiments on human subjects in a new code that is now accepted worldwide.
This judgment established a new standard of ethical medical behavior for the post World War II human rights era. Amongst other requirements, this document enunciates the requirement of voluntary informed consent of the human subject. The principle of voluntary informed consent protects the right of the individual to control his own body.
This code also recognizes that the risk must be weighed against the expected benefit, and that unnecessary pain and suffering must be avoided.
This code recognizes that doctors should avoid actions that injure human patients.
The principles established by this code for medical practice now have been extened into general codes of medical ethics."

Section 1

"The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision.This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.

The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.

But like our laws against torture and spying on citizens the U.S. have been tossed into the crapper. (because of so-called "emergency" - "crisis" - "war") Anything goes! Constitution, laws, codes, treaties, ethics, morals, religion or love of freedom are not what guides us, just supposed pragmatic reactions, driven by raw panic at the 1st whiffs of death or danger. (propaganda about death or danger)
At that point the state has the power to do WHATEVER it and the people think is "necessary".

Fear makes it OK.

Seems that the Constitution, Christianity, morals, ethics, even freedom only ever partly apply.
And then only during the good times not in "the real world" where we have to fear death raining down on us from Terrorist, Communist, Immigrants, Crime, Viruses, Climate, or Fill-in-Blank threat du jour the media and politicians promote.

They play the people's fears like a piano, making too many of us BEG for more of their oversite and control... of other people of course... dangerous people that don't follow the rules that "keep us safe".


A few of us will speak up about this CURRENT offense of against our individual Freedoms . COERCED Medical Experimentation, COERCED Medication. and hope the masses will stop being afraid long enough to think before their gov't "SOLUTIONS" harm to many more people.
And toss another major freedom into the crapper in the name of safety.

So some may say the vaccine is no longer experimental since government--FDA declared it to not be experimental.
Must be noted that same government is moving mountains to stab every human alive and that same dem controlled government controls the FDA!
That kinda like letting a judge rule on his own crimes, is it not?
Judge charged with shoplifting. Same judge rules on the case-- do we expect anything but the not guilty judgement?
So government sees it has too many refusing the stabb- suddenly and without the previous standard requirements to certify a new vaccine the FDA rules it not experimental!!!!
Ok, I got oceanfront property in Kansas for sale real cheap.... And I do not rip people off-- just ask me...
How would that go over????
I was taught by a very, very intelligent father not to buy bullshit and call it perfume...
When previously standards and time protocols are not met but yet FDA makes such a bullshit ruling -you can bet your last dime it was political..
It is ffking experimental and those taking it now are the subjects in the ongoing ---EXPERIMENT, IMHO.
Lets just review this in about a year or two -to perhaps see if it was such a fine experiment.- Tyr

[fj1200]

Where do you get your good sense from ? fj ?

I took the crazy out of your post. You're welcome.

[Black Diamond]

[Juicer66]

Incorrect. The fact that it is FDA approved moves it from the experimental list for Government purposes. No conspiracy required as in your contrived nonsense. It's a fact.

Too often you are a wannabe Conspiracy Theorist twisting yourself into muddled nonsense .

They are Experimental with no full safety clearance and you are the only Numpty I have yet run across that denies that simple fact . You versus the rest of the World .

You are probably confused with Pfizer's new updated version Comirnaty . Undeclared constituents , also true of original Pfizer killer shot , which they promised to declare

within 14 days of Comirnaty's approval but have not .

[NT'sGirl]

I am currently having discussions with my employer about all of this..
I do data collection for dhhs via a private contractor, we spend almost a month every year discussing the Nuremberg code, the Tuskegee trials and hippa.

They have mandated vaxing to be able to continue field work, but when I asked isn't your demand going against EVERYTHING you drill into us? Isn't demanding verification of my medical records a Hippa violation?
It's been a couple of weeks so far it's been radio silence from them.

[Gunny]

Too often you are a wannabe Conspiracy Theorist twisting yourself into muddled nonsense .

They are Experimental with no full safety clearance and you are the only Numpty I have yet run across that denies that simple fact . You versus the rest of the World .

You are probably confused with Pfizer's new updated version Comirnaty . Undeclared constituents , also true of original Pfizer killer shot , which they promised to declare

within 14 days of Comirnaty's approval but have not .

Does your insecurity prompt you to talk out your ass constantly in real life as much as you use it attempting to overcompensate for your stupidity on this board?

For the slow FDA Approved = legal by US Government standards and legal for distribution. Simple as that, Oh Queen of the Empty Skulls.

Reality = those of us that are vaccinated are guinea pigs for the government and the pharmaceutical companies it uses. By your timeline standard, the same as I was for the polio, rubella, and anthrax vaccines. No balls, no glory.

I'm STILL standing. And you're STILL stupid. While empty heads like yours have been crying the "sky is falling" and hiding under your binky for the past year, I've been living my life.

You need to try sticking to your intelligence level and find a stuffed Muppet to argue with. Available at most toy stores.

[Gunny]

I am currently having discussions with my employer about all of this..
I do data collection for dhhs via a private contractor, we spend almost a month every year discussing the Nuremberg code, the Tuskegee trials and hippa.

They have mandated vaxing to be able to continue field work, but when I asked isn't your demand going against EVERYTHING you drill into us? Isn't demanding verification of my medical records a Hippa violation?
It's been a couple of weeks so far it's been radio silence from them.

Ethics/morality and science are pretty much antonyms. Werner von Braun developed rockets/missles for the Third Reich and should have been indicted and faced trial at Nuremberg as much as anyone. Except the US Government found him more useful in OUR rocket/missile program and he fact built our space rockets up to the Saturn V.

A LOT of current medical science was achieved by what we now consider immoral and inhuman, Human life is incidental to, and expendable in the goal of achieving the desired result.

What started this whole discussion? COVID-19. COVID-19 is the result of reckless scientific experimentation to weaponize a virus. They should be happy. They succeeded. Look at the cost. They don't care.

As a result, even more medical scientists get to experiment on us some more trying to find a fix. Not seeing a lot of altruism going on here. Just petty little people wanting notoriety, power and money.

[revelarts]

I am currently having discussions with my employer about all of this..
I do data collection for dhhs via a private contractor, we spend almost a month every year discussing the Nuremberg code, the Tuskegee trials and hippa.

They have mandated vaxing to be able to continue field work, but when I asked isn't your demand going against EVERYTHING you drill into us? Isn't demanding verification of my medical records a Hippa violation?
It's been a couple of weeks so far it's been radio silence from them.

Fear, social and $ pressures are powerful things. Wrap it all in calls of civic duty, safety & science to make it ok and it goes down pretty easy. But people wonder how Nazi Germany happened. Just look around.

Any replies to you questions yet?