Trump's call for Republicans not to vote in 2022 and 2024 is a Mistake

[icansayit]

I'm sorry you're offended. Would you also like me to not refer to biden as a doddering fool as well? Or if you have any specific items you'd like me to discuss related to the topic at hand I'd be happy to do so without using the "b" word or the "f" word.



I generally limit the depth of his understanding as taking a position of BO and doing the exactly opposite. Which is generally good but limited.



Exanding on my previous comment. That is something that will never be proven even if true and if one is constantly fighting the last war you'll lose sight of the future.

I offered, and voiced my opinion. Matter of fact. I still stand by everything I said. If you wish to diminish that... fine with me. And I meant everything I said as well. Not changing a thing just to appease or make friends. This is a FORUM, and I say what I want.

[MtnBiker]

BARACK OBAMA, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: All across the country, Democrats are trying to make it easier to vote, not make it harder to vote. And push back on Republicans who are trying to systemically prevent ordinary citizens from making their voices heard. Just this past week, some of you probably saw every Democrat in the Senate supported a bill that would protect the right to vote and ban partisan gerrymandering and reduce the influence of dark money in our politics.

Every Democrat voted for it. Every Republican voted against it. Which, by the way, this is a little bit of an aside, but you have to ask yourself, why is it Republicans don't want you to vote? What is it that they're so afraid of? You know, I would assume, Terry, if they think they've got better ideas why don't they just go make the case? Tell us your ideas. Tell us why you think they're going to be better.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ter_ideas.html

“Saw every Democrat in the Senate support a bill to protect the right to vote”

“why is it Republicans don’t want you to vote?”

See how the argument is framed? If you don’t agree their version of casting a vote then you are taking rights away and don’t want you to vote. Wrong!

Every legal resident over 18 without a felony has the right to vote. No one is advocating for the right of voting to be taking away. Voting is a privilege and a responsibility. I believe the act of voting should have some burden. If it takes an investment of time and effort to vote then hopefully a voter also takes the time on how they vote.

[fj1200]

See how the argument is framed? If you don’t agree their version of casting a vote then you are taking rights away and don’t want you to vote. Wrong!

So? They're allowed to say dumb things and be wrong. All it has to do is fit in a tweet these days.

[Kathianne]

Yeah, I've seen things like, 'anyone stupid enough to vote for dems, should be shot.' Umm, I don't think that was meant literally.

[Gunny]

Donald Trump cost the American people, the Republican party and himself the State the of Georgia. His behavior at that time was a defining moment for me and when benefit if doubt and support began to wane. Right in the middle of a runoff for 2 Senate seats the right and the country desperately needed, as is playing out to the proposed tune of $5t, he had to make it about HIM. Not the People. Not the State. Not the Senate. Him.

I don't doubt every derelict and wino the Dems could muster voted. I don't care who does or doesn't like it, a lot of those votes were probably beyond shady, but enough to pass for Government work. But it wasn't shady voting that galvanized the Dems. Nor the GA republicans that said f- this after watching Trump's behavior. He just couldn't wait to carry on AFTER the run off. He was more important. Anyone that cares to look can go back to the time during the runoff when I stated the same thing. He needed to stay way from Georgia and quit attention whoring until after the run off.

WE are going to pay for it. No matter how far down they trim this budget, we're still going to go a couple T at least further in debt, mostly on green fairy tale BS none of us want.

Trump's behavior has made him a Dem wet dream for 2024. I doubt he has any more support on the right than his faithful loyalists. He's not going to pull any centrist/moderate/independent votes. It's not because of any of us. HE exposed himself.

So has the GOP. They'd rather lose a golden opportunity than actually stand up and stop the bleeding NOW. The best we can hope for now is that a turnip can indeed beat whoever the dems throw out there in 24.

[SassyLady]

I believe there is a movement to bring ballot integrity to our election system but once again main stream media will not give it any attention. Mark Finchem.

ANNOUNCING THE BALLOT INTEGRITY PROJECT

Ballot integrity, a critical part of the election process, relies on fraud countermeasures to keep the fakes out of the system. Election integrity – more broadly – relies on full-spectrum transparency. We can have full-spectrum transparency by making every ballot image a public record, available to everyone, all the time. Putting sunshine on something is a great disinfectant, and there is no reason not to do this.

The U.S. Treasury relies on currency-grade fraud countermeasures. Meaning they have UV light-reactive bills, from the dollar bill, to the five, to the ten, even to the hundred. You’ll notice stripes, fluorescence, all manner of countermeasures. And after all, aren’t our ballots just as valuable as our money?

https://votefinchem.com/announcing-t...grity-project/

He's working with a company to come up with a watermark ballot.

[Mika-El]

My, aren't you the snarky Canadian today. Pro-Tip : Canadians are supposed to be unfailingly polite. I'm docking you a socialist credit point for today.

Further, shouldn't you be more concerned with Canada's headlong rush to communism? And the gestapo tactics used by your RCMP to jail religious leaders for their failure to think along approved government lines?

In the meantime, read up on Arizona's audit and especially take a gander at how much Biden won the State versus how much illegal votes were counted despite laws.

And then take a close look at how democrats fought them in court every step of the way in the audit, even going so far as to delete data the day before handing over the servers - the very same servers that a Judge had to order them to hand over.

If you think Arizona was legit last November, you've got more than a couple of bolts loose. And this was just one State, with an incomplete audit in ONE county.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...t=arizona+vote

Lol first off the only thing social about me are my diseases. Lol.

Good Gawd man, gestapo, head long rush to communism?


Get back to me when you have evidence. I mean come on. Evidence Nighty. Get me some evidence.

[Mika-El]

Recall once you told me context is key. In the context of my comment, I was addressing who is whose worst problem. The Democratic Party IS the enemy of the US Constitution. That makes them MY enemy. The GOP is so busy trying to appease political correctness, not make waves (or be noticed) they throw each other under the bus routinely. The Dem's just need to accuse and the GOP will offer up a sacrificial lamb.

You haven't been along for the ride. Left to my own devices and all things being equal, I'm a live and let live moderate. I love common sense. We used to have some. When they start attacking the very things that set us apart and make us "freer" (relative), THAT is a threat and I'm not sure what else to call it. There are a lot of people, on our left, who don't belong here and don't deserve the rights and freedom a lot of people have bled and died for. Putin and Ping Pong can have them

Comparatively, Biden is as bad as anyone you mention.

With due respect Gunny a "moderate" or "reasonable" person like you and I would not call ALL leftists the enemy any more than we would call all Rightists the enemy. It polarizes and invites hatred.

Now on that point and I of course take what Nighty said tongue n cheek (fair is fair except no we have no commie revolution coming we are too boring for that) and I hope he knows like you I respect people but I challenge extremists on either side all kidding aside. I know you know that.

I tell you what though, let's get serious for one second, I truly believe Trump is dangerous. I think his accusations of rigged elections with zero proof, his inciting people to show disrespect for the fundamental democratic processes he was sworn to uphold are a danger to your country and its consitution no different than Pinochet was in Chile, Peron in Agentina, Franco in Span, the fascists of Portugal and Greece post WW2, Mussolini, Hitler, and now Erdogan in Turkey.

I do not support a man who openly belittled war vets he claims to respect. He belittled Colin Powell and John McCain when they died. He has done repeatedly cowardly, abusive things that dragged down the dignity of the US President's Office and I can say without hesitation in reverse to you Trump defenders, how can you guys be so blinded by partisan politics and your "like" of this man you can not acknowledge his disrespect and out and out contempt for democracy?

How do you defend a man who identified closely and openly cheered on Putin, Erdogan and that psycho troll in North Korea. How do you support a man who lied about Covid 19 and told people to inject poison in their veins and spent 4.5 years on a Twitter daily issuing childish insults?

What legacy does he have? What is his legacy? Please list his policy accomplishments. You have nothing. You have 4.5 years of a deadlocked House of Representatives and Senate, and a list of insults on twitter. That is his legacy. As for the lies he stated, they are all public record. Anyone can get the list. The man was a pathological liar. He repeated lie after lie after lie.

You Trump supporters fell into line like little Nazi or Communist party zombies. How far would he have dragged you? Are you any different than people wh o blindly followed Stalin, Hussein in Iraq, Nasser of Egypt or the Ayatollahs of Iran? You are cultists worshiping this man not the state he was supposed to represent. How far do you think Trump would have gone iif he had more time? God God's sake man he wanted to use your military in the streets to arrest Americans and ignore the democratic voting process. You had to have numerous former military generals sign a petition warning him not to try turn your military into a political force.

What next? If he runs again, he has demonstrated he does not respect the election process. This necessarily means he will not accept any vote results but the ones that put him in. How does he run? Come on man. This bullshit that the vote was fixed, prove it. He has no proof of any rigged election and yet Trump followers continue to blurt it out no different than others chant out death to America. What is the difference? How are people who storm your capitol buildings and scream out to hang VP Pence not "enemies"?

How does Trump run for any office now he has made it clear he will claim rigged election only if he loses? How and why would you or anyone reasonable fall in line with that? Tell me has Trump ever proposed a solution or an alternative to that which he claims is wrong? Well? Can you list one solution or alternative process Chant has ever offered? How do you claim something is broken as he does but when asked, just what is broken can't say and worse still can't explain how you will fix it?

Yes you Trump followers need a strong challenge.You abandon the ability to engage in debate. You fell in line like Zombies to Trump whines. You whine. You never propose solutions or alternatives. All we hear is why someone or something is bad. Never a policy.

How and why do you support a President who can not debate with coherent, clear, precise, completed thoughts? How do you support a man who continuously ;lies? How dso you support a man who turns every response into a personal insult back towards the person he disagrees with?

What have you settled for? Surely you are not an illiterate? Surely you know calling people names is no way to debate? Good Gawd man you have a Trump supporter respond on this thread defending Trump saying to a person who disagrees with them that they should not engage in personal attacks while this person defends Trump who did nothing but that and this person can not see the irony and contradiction?

What has happened to you Trump supporters?

If you want to call anyone an enemy, look at Trump supporters and people like you who get so caught up in the rhetoric calling people you disagree with the "enemy"..what does that mean you call people the enemy because they disagree with you and ask for proof of allegations you can't provide?

Who is the enemy at that point Gunny? The people you call the enemy are Americans just like you... no they are not just a label called leftist who you now lump in one stereotype to dehumanize as "enemy" they are your fellow citizens. They have names, lives, jobs, dreams. no different than you. They come in every shade of opinion including conservative Republican Americans.

Come on man do you really think everyone who voted for Biden can be simply labelled Leftist because they do not support Trump? You really believe that? Is Mitt Romney a leftist? Was John McCain a leftist? Is Jeb Bush a leftist? Colin Powell a leftist? Come on man.

How many of these "enemies" engaged in anything remotely as dangerous and divisive as to what Trump has said and done? How many of these enemies grab crotches, defend Putin and two bit dictators, avoid taxes and ridicule war vets let alone refused to serve using their wealth to evade the draft. How many of these so called enemy refused to pay taxes, use bankruptcy repeatedly to avoid paying wages, and out and out lied to their fellow Americans as many times as Trump has done this last 4.5 years? Hmmmm?

Good Gawd man, in a country of Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, JFK, RFK, MLK, this is what you cheer on? This is what you think is what a politician let alone the leader of the free world so to speak should be? This is it?

Yah you bet I will have such people not Trump supporters. Hell round them all up and arrest them then when Trump gets elected/ Good luck.

[Gunny]

With due respect Gunny a "moderate" or "reasonable" person like you and I would not call ALL leftists the enemy any more than we would call all Rightists the enemy. It polarizes and invites hatred.

Now on that point and I of course take what Nighty said tongue n cheek and I hope he knows like you I respect people but I challenge extremists on either side all kidding aside. I know you know that.

I tell you what let's get serious for one second, I truly believe Trump is dangerous. I think his accusations of rigged elections, his inciting peopleto show disrespect for the fundamental democratic processes he was sworn to uphold are a danger to your country know different than Pinochet was in Chile, Person in Agentina, Franco in Span, the facists of Portugal and Greece ost WW2, Mussolini, Hitler, and now Erdogan in Turkey. I believe he does not honour anything America stands for. He belittled war vets he claims to respect. He belittled Colin Powell and John McCain when they died. He has done repeatedly cowardly, abusive things that dragged down the dignity of the US President's Office. He soiled the seal of the US with his behaviour and I can say without hesitation in reverse to you Trump defenders, how can you guys be so blinded by partisan politics you can not acknowledge his disrespect and out and out contempt of democracy? You support a man who identified closely and openly cheered on Putin Erdogan and that psycho troll in North Korea. You support a man who lied about Covid 19, told people to inject poison in their veins, and spent 4.5 years on a Twitter daily issuing childish insults. What legacy does he have? What is his legacy. Please list his policy accomplisments. You have nothing. You have 4.5 years of a deadlocked House of Representatives and Senate, and a list of insults on twitter. That is his legacy. As for the lies he stated, they are all public record. Anyone can get the list. The man was a pathological liar. He repeated lie after lie after lie.

You Trump supporters fell into line like little Nazi party zombies. How far would he have dragged you? Seriously. How far do you think Trump would have gone. He wanted to use your military in the streets to arrest Americans. You had to have numerous former military generals sign a petition warning him not to try turn your military into a political force.

What next? If he runs again, he has demonstrated he does not respect the election process. This necessarily means he will not accept any vote results but the ones that put him in. How does he run? Come on man. He has no proof of any rigged election and he has made it clear he will claim rigged election only if he loses. How and why would you or anyone reasonable fall in line with that?

You Trump followers need a strong challenge. If you want to call anyone an enemy, look at Trump and people like you who get so caught up in the rhetoric of his way or no way call people you disagree with the enemy...what does that mean you call people the enemy because they disagree with you and ask for proof of allegations you can't provide? Who is the enemy at that point Gunny? The enemy is Americans that is who. Not just leftist Americans, conservative Republican Americans. Come on man do you think everyone who voted for Biden can be simply labelled Leftist because they do not support Trump? You really believe that. Is Mitt Romney a leftist? Was John McCain a leftist? Is Jeb Bush a leftist? Colin Powell a leftist? Come on man.

The premise of your argument is flawed insofar as it may pertain to me. You repeatedly preface commentary with "You Trump supporters". I can only assume you haven't read much of my commentary on him.

As it pertains to me, Trump was close to the bottom of the list of primary candidates in 2015. I voted for him for President as the GOP nominee because he was not the Democratic Party nominee. I believe I pointed out previously I also held my nose and voted for McCain and Romney, neither being representatives of conservative thinking or voice.

I supported Trump as President because generally, he did some good things/things I agreed with. When I didn't, I stated such and caught a bunch of flak over it, as did anyone else on this board that stated anything negative about Trump. It also is REAL hard to jump on the bandwagon of Trump detractors when they lied, made false allegations, complete with 2 year long witch hunt and attempts at impeachment. All of that was unnecessary BS and pretty much put a lot of people in "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" category. The left put me in the position of defending Trump far more than I would have myself.

This is a perfect example. Read my post previous to this one that didn't include uniformed, malicious and otherwise partisan accusations, I am hardly complimentary toward the man. He DOES have his good points that could be advantageous to this country. At this point and time, they are overwhelmed by his petty, childish behavior, in MY opinion. I consider him a threat to the GOP as a whole; which, IMO is more important than the threat he is to the Democratic party.

So you can call me al lot of things, but lumping me in with the Trump or nobody crowd isn't going to cut it, and does not reflect my opinion. If he runs again, depending on who is running against him in the primary will probably decide my vote. In the end, if he is the Republican nominee in 2024, I will hold my nose, again, and go vote against the democratic party.

The Democratic party is not just socialist, but socialist bordering on fascist and I will do my part to keep them out of power from the local librarian to the White House.

Back to context: Your opinion sounds a LOT like Euro-Canadian informed rather than living here at ground zero informed. I DO get that. A suggestion on my part is perhaps asking first instead of telling? Just an idea

Edit: Straight up, when the cities in the Northwest and Midwest were being taken over by leftist agitators, I was beside myself that the President did not use Federal force to put things back n order. Trump had every right to and did not. I consider that a check mark in the "fail" column. Yet, a handful of morons rush the Capitol in a spur of the moment, really stupid idea and that's an "insurrection"? The Democrats have hunted down everyone to include pen pals of the idiots and put them on trial. Where's THAT justice in Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, et al? They took over Federal government buildings there, and the Dem Governors daring the President to use force.

Trump backed down to Erdogan. Another fail in my book. Far cry from your accusation. I wouldn't call the way he treated N Korea cozying up to anyone. Putin is Russia is dangerous. He got tough with China, Iran and N Korea and used the pocket book to do it.

Any time real armed conflict with a real enemy showed, he balked. So I'm not seeing your allegations as some kind of threat as having any ground under them.

Accuse him of what he is guilty of. I do. But I'm not going to jump on some bandwagon accusing him of all kinds of crap he didn't do. Not my style.

How did he lie about COVID?

[SassyLady]

Statement from Trump

The statement that I made a few weeks ago saying that Republicans will not vote if the Election Fraud of 2020 is not fixed, was in no way meant to imply that I would tell them not to vote, but rather that they may not have the incentive to vote if the election process is not fully remedied, and quickly. It was the Crime of the Century. We are working on solving that problem every day—it will be done! People do not want to spend their time and money to have a SCAM like that happen again. Regardless of anything or anyone, we must get out the Republican and SANE VOTE!

[NightTrain]

Lol first off the only thing social about me are my diseases. Lol.

Good Gawd man, gestapo, head long rush to communism?


Get back to me when you have evidence. I mean come on. Evidence Nighty. Get me some evidence.

I see that you know how to use that keyboard and that you have an internet connection. You've been missing all the stories coming out of Canada where your politicians are siccing the RCMP and other cops on Pastors/Priests in their churches? Ordering them not to speak against what your socialists running your government approve?

If you'd like, I can give you a tutorial on how to search the internet. I'm cool like that.

This will get you started, though - this Pastor grew up behind the Iron Curtain and knows of what he speaks :

https://www.foxnews.com/world/canada...church-service



He won that round, but your vaunted RCMP got him later. So brave!




There's lots more examples of your shenanigans there in Canada since the outbreak of the Kung Flu - never let a crisis go to waste, as the socialists say.

We've got a few democrat/socialists running amok here in America, but they pale in comparison to your iron-fisted tyrants. How does that boot taste, Comrade?

[Mika-El]

The premise of your argument is flawed insofar as it may pertain to me. You repeatedly preface commentary with "You Trump supporters". I can only assume you haven't read much of my commentary on him.

As it pertains to me, Trump was close to the bottom of the list of primary candidates in 2015. I voted for him for President as the GOP nominee because he was not the Democratic Party nominee. I believe I pointed out previously I also held my nose and voted for McCain and Romney, neither being representatives of conservative thinking or voice.

I supported Trump as President because generally, he did some good things/things I agreed with. When I didn't, I stated such and caught a bunch of flak over it, as did anyone else on this board that stated anything negative about Trump. It also is REAL hard to jump on the bandwagon of Trump detractors when they lied, made false allegations, complete with 2 year long witch hunt and attempts at impeachment. All of that was unnecessary BS and pretty much put a lot of people in "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" category. The left put me in the position of defending Trump far more than I would have myself.

This is a perfect example. Read my post previous to this one that didn't include uniformed, malicious and otherwise partisan accusations, I am hardly complimentary toward the man. He DOES have his good points that could be advantageous to this country. At this point and time, they are overwhelmed by his petty, childish behavior, in MY opinion. I consider him a threat to the GOP as a whole; which, IMO is more important than the threat he is to the Democratic party.

So you can call me al lot of things, but lumping me in with the Trump or nobody crowd isn't going to cut it, and does not reflect my opinion. If he runs again, depending on who is running against him in the primary will probably decide my vote. In the end, if he is the Republican nominee in 2024, I will hold my nose, again, and go vote against the democratic party.

The Democratic party is not just socialist, but socialist bordering on fascist and I will do my part to keep them out of power from the local librarian to the White House.

Back to context: Your opinion sounds a LOT like Euro-Canadian informed rather than living here at ground zero informed. I DO get that. A suggestion on my part is perhaps asking first instead of telling? Just an idea

Edit: Straight up, when the cities in the Northwest and Midwest were being taken over by leftist agitators, I was beside myself that the President did not use Federal force to put things back n order. Trump had every right to and did not. I consider that a check mark in the "fail" column. Yet, a handful of morons rush the Capitol in a spur of the moment, really stupid idea and that's an "insurrection"? The Democrats have hunted down everyone to include pen pals of the idiots and put them on trial. Where's THAT justice in Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, et al? They took over Federal government buildings there, and the Dem Governors daring the President to use force.

Trump backed down to Erdogan. Another fail in my book. Far cry from your accusation. I wouldn't call the way he treated N Korea cozying up to anyone. Putin is Russia is dangerous. He got tough with China, Iran and N Korea and used the pocket book to do it.

Any time real armed conflict with a real enemy showed, he balked. So I'm not seeing your allegations as some kind of threat as having any ground under them.

Accuse him of what he is guilty of. I do. But I'm not going to jump on some bandwagon accusing him of all kinds of crap he didn't do. Not my style.

How did he lie about COVID?

1. You admit to supporting Trump just not everything he stands for. I acknowledge that...but you know politics...its kind of like pregnancy, when you try qualify it and say you are a little but pregnant but not a lot pregnant well I get it but you remain pregnant.

2. Euro-Canadians, or to be even more general, non Americans most certainly have distinct opinions on American politics and no are opinions are no less valid than someone without having cancer being able to discuss it. The argument you must have cancer to understand it with due respect is inaccurate. Using that logic, no one should have an opinion on anything they have never first hand experienced. That would mean, you, Trump, and most of his supporters who did have many opinions on things you do not directly live with or have experienced should not have opinions on them? How far you want to go with that kind of argument? Are you saying I should remain silent to Trump because I am not American? Does that mean I can not say anything about Erdogan, Putin, on and on? Hell man, you are welcome to discuss anything about Canada and Trudeau. Lol knock yourself out. The only thing I will say is we have better beer and coffee BUT concede your hockey players have now caught up in quality and ability.

3. In regards to internal violence and/or demonstrations in the US I try avoid any moral judgements. All I have said in those regards is people who break the law and engage in violence or property vandalism on either side are equally as wrong. I use the same standard with Canadians who have done the same and we have had our share of idiots int he streets yes.

Other then that I will challenge you or anyone of course who defends Trump. I try explain why. Unlike you my perspective yes as an outside wants an American President who regardless of whether he is a Republican or Democrat has the ability to be a world leader not just a domestic leader so yes we have that perspective that is different. We see much of your domestic disagreements as your business. We do though have a far different opinion as to medicare, gun control, and our history with blacks has some similarities but we have more blacks from countries where blacks were from countries where blacks were Judges, teachers, police, etc. so their experiences and the way they identify their blackness is not necessarily the way blacks who grew up in areas where blacks were not in such jobs, would be different. In fact those who engage in black matters politics in Canada are often born in Canada blacks heavily influenced by American black culture not West Indian or African culture. The racism blacks in Quebec experience is another complex matter. With French speaking blacks from French speaking African or Caribbean nations its probably based on skin colour but if its English speaking blacks it may just as much be based on the fact they do not speak English.

Canada has numerous ethnic and minority groups. The fact is we are now a minority country of sorts. We have over 120 languages and 85 different ethnic groups in Greater Toronto, the largest diversity in the world. Do not get me wrong, it doesn't mean we do not have racism, but we do not see it as limited to white on black but almost anyone on anyone else depending on the criteria.

We also do not like hand guns. Our history is anti gun. Our police only started carrying them in the mid 60's. We started on law and order and wanting to pay taxes to the King not rebel from him. When we placed aboriginals on reserves we did not use guns. We smiled and offered them tea and promises of all kinds we would then break slowly.Very little violence. We had a Louis Riel Rebellion but that was pretty miuch it. Otherwise we forced aboriginal children into schools where we shaved their hair, forced them to speak English, converted them to Christianity and either sodomized them or beat them all in the name of turning them "Canadian". We we have our history its just we couch it and have avoided parts of it when it made us appear less than civilized. That all said, our history is different of course. Our military traditions are much more low key. We try emulate the British. We like discipline but not in a bragging bold kind of way. We do not relish swagger like say the US military history or ven Australia's. We prefer low key nationalist displays.

No we do not agree with or approve of loudness, pushiness, assumptions everyone is just like us. We are not a melting pot like the US. We still cultivate people putting their ethnic description first, then a hyphen before Canadian. So much so it is preventing a unified Canadian identity. If anything that makes us the opposite of the US. There is no Canadian identity yet. Every time someone comes up with one its called too white, too British, too French, too European, too American, too diverse, on and on.

The major split in ideology in Canada is not white black, but French English.

So yah you pick up those differences. Also a lot of Americans think we are socialist because we do not mind gun control or medicare. They would be wrong. The fact we have no problem with both those things or for that matter regulation of our banking industry does not make us socialist. We do however believe a free enterprise society needs checks and balances and at times regulations to protect competition from monopolies and unfair economic transactions. So that makes us a mixed economy. We have more regulation in some areas by government, but less in other areas than Americans. We pay higher taxes for sure.

Our history is not defined by guns or militias...just people from France and England who came over to start all over again, then be followed by other poor Europeans coming to a native aboriginal land. We actually incorporated many aboriginal laws and customs unlike the US.

Our aboriginals entered into legal treaties with the King of England that when Canada was founded, it inherited and those treaties, many broken are protected and recognized in our laws and the current "socialist" government as you would call it is fighting to resist paying millions still owed aboriginals for broken treaty rights.

We did like Obama not because of his domestic policies necessarily but because of his oratory skills and manner. We most certainly openly loved JFK so much so we sided with him over his conflict with John Diefenbaker our Prime Minister at that time in the early 60's over nuclear missile deployment. LBJ hated our next Prime Minister Lester B. Pearson, Nixon hated Pierre Trudeau, Reagan and Mulroney were Irish bosom buddies. Chretiens and Clinton got along and the rest of your Presidents we just dealt with. Eisenhower of course being Commander of WW2 forces and FDR and Truman over WW2 we saw as important world leaders at times of crisis. Other leaders not mentioned we have been luke warm about but I can tell you Trump was widely disrespected by our right and left equally for the exact same reasons he was in the US by the Governors of the 35 states who depended heavily on cross border trade with Canada. He had no understanding of US Canada trade. Luckily the actual people behind the scenes who re-wrote the free trade treaty did. However his deliberate breaking of the treaty in regards to Aluminum exports not only broke the treaty's provisions, but alienated Europe not just Canada.

Trump's disruption of NATO and mutual trade with Canada, Mexico and Europe, worked right into the hands of Putin.

Canada has strong opinions against Putin, North Korea and Erdogan in Turkey, Trump did not share. We both agreed during his time on Iran. Trudeau made a fool of himself sucking up to China which most Canadians disagreed with and still do.

[Abbey Marie]

[COLOR=#2D3436][FONT=system-ui]Statement from Trump

I’m glad to hear this.

[fj1200]

Statement from Trump

I’m glad to hear this.

I have a feeling that many trump supporters won't act based on the new statement but rather the original interpretation. I hope I'm wrong.

[Mika-El]

[COLOR=#2D3436][FONT=system-ui]Statement from Trump

Ahahahah.

Um uh um uh when I said don't vote i um uh meant don't vote unless the vote re-elects me.

Oh well then.


Are Trump cultees really this brain dead? Really?


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimam...h=1fcda81058c5

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/arti...-timeline.html

https://apnews.com/article/election-...d61689c24b05a5

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues...th-voter-fraud

https://campaignlegal.org/update/com...-election-lies