Conspiracy theories now medical journal headline

[fj1200]

Pfizer has acquired 42 companies, including 8 in the last 5 years. A total of 12 acquisitions came from private equity firms. It has also divested 16 assets.

Pfizer’s largest acquisition to date was in 2000, when it acquired Warner-Lambert Company for $90.2B. It’s largest disclosed sale occurred in 2006, when it sold Pfizer Consumer Healthcare to Johnson & Johnson for $16.6B. Pfizer has acquired in 11 different US states, and 8 countries. The Company’s most targeted sectors include life science (90%) and consumer products (6%).

https://mergr.com/pfizer-acquisitions

[SassyLady]

https://mergr.com/pfizer-acquisitions

So, you're posting this because you don't see a connection? Or because you don't want to believe there's a connection? Pfizer does nothing out of the goodness of their heart. It's always about money. They can see huge heart issues on the horizon and if they have the meds to deal with it they will make a killing.

[Kathianne]

I have no stake in any stock here. I understand where SL and Rev are focused. I understand fj being a foil.

While I purposely avoid covid related threads, I just have a simple question. Is the only worth this acquisition brings to the table are these perhaps useful two drugs that maybe game changers if vaccine future side effects occur? Are there any other useful products or future products?

[SassyLady]

I have no stake in any stock here. I understand where SL and Rev are focused. I understand fj being a foil.

While I purposely avoid covid related threads, I just have a simple question. Is the only worth this acquisition brings to the table are these perhaps useful two drugs that maybe game changers if vaccine future side effects occur? Are there any other useful products or future products?

Yes.

[Kathianne]

Yes.

Yes they are the only assets or there may be more money other than covid related?

Just an aside, after talking with my dr., I've decided not to get booster at this time. I'm not for one group over another, I think everyone needs to make their own choices. I don't choose out of fear, nor just to make a "bigger point,." I don't think all or most or even many business decisions are made to harm others or for profit over all else. Nor do I think any or a significant amount are made for altruistic motivation.

[fj1200]

So, you're posting this because you don't see a connection? Or because you don't want to believe there's a connection? Pfizer does nothing out of the goodness of their heart. It's always about money. They can see huge heart issues on the horizon and if they have the meds to deal with it they will make a killing.

I post it because you find a story from... wherever.... and post it as though automatic proof of your point of view when in fact it's normal SOP for mega companies. It is not uncommon for pharmaceuticals to buy companies whose sole point of being is to be a pipeline of new products.

Money? Is that a problem for you? Money is the currency of innovation. Arena was started to investigate new drugs, investors put up money to fund drug research, Pfizer is buying end stage drugs to bring to market, It's. What. They. Do.

Yes.

Based on what?

I have no stake in any stock here. I understand where SL and Rev are focused. I understand fj being a foil.

While I purposely avoid covid related threads, I just have a simple question. Is the only worth this acquisition brings to the table are these perhaps useful two drugs that maybe game changers if vaccine future side effects occur? Are there any other useful products or future products?

They've got a pipeline of 20ish drugs in various stages and APD418 is one of them. I wouldn't be surprised if pharmaceuticals have in the past bought rights to single drugs rather than just buying the whole company. I guess everyone saw the value in Pfizer making the acquisition based on the whole.

https://www.arenapharm.com/pipeline/

[SassyLady]

Yes they are the only assets or there may be more money other than covid related?

Just an aside, after talking with my dr., I've decided not to get booster at this time. I'm not for one group over another, I think everyone needs to make their own choices. I don't choose out of fear, nor just to make a "bigger point,." I don't think all or most or even many business decisions are made to harm others or for profit over all else. Nor do I think any or a significant amount are made for altruistic motivation.

Yes to both your previous questions. Covid related and other uses.

I have never thought big pharma was altruistic.

I, too, believe one needs to make their own choices. Hopefully, one makes a decision based on an abundance of info.

[SassyLady]

I post it because you find a story from... wherever.... and post it as though automatic proof of your point of view when in fact it's normal SOP for mega companies. It is not uncommon for pharmaceuticals to buy companies whose sole point of being is to be a pipeline of new products.

Which is why I posted more than one source.

Money? Is that a problem for you? Money is the currency of innovation. Arena was started to investigate new drugs, investors put up money to fund drug research, Pfizer is buying end stage drugs to bring to market, It's. What. They. Do.

And, they have paid out $2.3 Billion in damages. Because It's. What. They. Do.

https://www.enjuris.com/blog/resourc...ents-lawsuits/

Based on what?

Pfizer statement re the purchase.

They've got a pipeline of 20ish drugs in various stages and APD418 is one of them. I wouldn't be surprised if pharmaceuticals have in the past bought rights to single drugs rather than just buying the whole company. I guess everyone saw the value in Pfizer making the acquisition based on the whole.

https://www.arenapharm.com/pipeline/

Especially Arena.

[revelarts]

While few can tell exactly what all their motives in purchasing the company are, I'd say it follows a pattern,
They see a market, (created by their products (intentionally or unintentionally))
And they make a move to capture it.
BTW FJ ... THEY KNOW what their products do FJ, they don't have to wait 75 years for data.

Fj, you ask if there's anything wrong with money.
the answer of course is, no.

But the question here is,
is there anything wrong with the way Big Pharma is making their's?

A drug dealer on the corner is just making money. capitalism is good. selling to 6th to 12th graders is a skill, and they are a market. supply and demand.
capitalism is good. don't be angry at the players.
right?

Here's the thing FJ, it's not really about "capitalism" being bad, it's the products, deceptive marketing and crony capitalism.
Big Pharma has a very long track record of corruption. But Starting with the obvious is the fact that the FDA and CDC are revolving doors for Big Pharma executives. Which happens to allow their "former" and "future" companies to get their products approved, and allows them to stifle competition and limit generics, and even stifle TALK about natural remedies.
After that (i've posted elsewhere) there's public knowledge that the testing of new drugs/products is controlled/rigged by Big Pharma. It's not independent or independently verified often. To the point that even the "independent" medical journals where test results are published have been captured $$$.
Add to that of course all the $$$ given to congress for their regulatory "assistance". Just to shepherd along all the "pro business" regs that the Big Pharma lobby "suggest"/writes.

That's not to say that all new drugs are crap, or that all the people that make them are all evil.
But when billions are a stake more than a few people will ignore a few of the rules, cutting corners etc..
and if things work out, great! win win. If not, what you have is what we've seen too often, Big Pharma paying billions in damages and fines for various products... year after year for decades.
Many of those products they knew were crap. But they sold them ANYWAY.
The opioid crisis is exhibit 'A'. Was that all a mistake? many courts have said no. On several levels.

So FJ, Sassy and I are looking at Big Pharma, and Pfizer specifically, in the light of Big Pharma's record of crimes.
And the past 2 years of obfuscation about the vaccines side effects. Obfuscation by Big Pharma (75 years to release data, etc), the FDA & CDC and the "brought to you by Pfizer" MSM and Social Media.

While you may want to give Big Pharma the benny of the doubt and assume benign motives, biz practices and products,
when it comes to me and my family's health, I don't find Big Pharma trustworthy enough to do that.
Not even close.

[Kathianne]

While few can tell exactly what all their motives in purchasing the company are, I'd say it follows a pattern,
They see a market, (created by their products (intentionally or unintentionally))
And they make a move to capture it.
BTW FJ ... THEY KNOW what their products do FJ, they don't have to wait 75 years for data.

Fj, you ask if there's anything wrong with money.
the answer of course is, no.

But the question here is,
is there anything wrong with the way Big Pharma is making their's?

A drug dealer on the corner is just making money. capitalism is good. selling to 6th to 12th graders is a skill, and they are a market. supply and demand.
capitalism is good. don't be angry at the players.
right?

Here's the thing FJ, it's not really about "capitalism" being bad, it's the products, deceptive marketing and crony capitalism.
Big Pharma has a very long track record of corruption. But Starting with the obvious is the fact that the FDA and CDC are revolving doors for Big Pharma executives. Which happens to allow their "former" and "future" companies to get their products approved, and allows them to stifle competition and limit generics, and even stifle TALK about natural remedies.
After that (i've posted elsewhere) there's public knowledge that the testing of new drugs/products is controlled/rigged by Big Pharma. It's not independent or independently verified often. To the point that even the "independent" medical journals where test results are published have been captured $$$.
Add to that of course all the $$$ given to congress for their regulatory "assistance". Just to shepherd along all the "pro business" regs that the Big Pharma lobby "suggest"/writes.

That's not to say that all new drugs are crap, or that all the people that make them are all evil.
But when billions are a stake more than a few people will ignore a few of the rules, cutting corners etc..
and if things work out, great! win win. If not, what you have is what we've seen too often, Big Pharma paying billions in damages and fines for various products... year after year for decades.
Many of those products they knew were crap. But they sold them ANYWAY.
The opioid crisis is exhibit 'A'. Was that all a mistake? many courts have said no. On several levels.

So FJ, Sassy and I are looking at Big Pharma, and Pfizer specifically, in the light of Big Pharma's record of crimes.
And the past 2 years of obfuscation about the vaccines side effects. Obfuscation by Big Pharma (75 years to release data, etc), the FDA & CDC and the "brought to you by Pfizer" MSM and Social Media.

While you may want to give Big Pharma the benny of the doubt and assume benign motives, biz practices and products,
when it comes to me and my family's health, I don't find Big Pharma trustworthy enough to do that.
Not even close.

The 75 years for release IS, imo outrageous. So are mandates. My concerns are more focused on collusion between government and these companies. I expect for profits to always to choose bottom line, it is more than concerning when the regulators/overseers are turning blind eyes or worse. I.e., Wuhan funding.

[fj1200]

Which is why I posted more than one source.

And, they have paid out $2.3 Billion in damages. Because It's. What. They. Do.

https://www.enjuris.com/blog/resourc...ents-lawsuits/

Pfizer statement re the purchase.

Especially Arena.

The first source barely constitutes a source. It does what so many "news" sites do these days; take a fact, twist it into something that fits their agenda, and then put it out there until something sticks and some runs with it. Your links are not exactly unbiased sources of fact.

You'll have to explain how Pfizer's statement backs your assertion.

[fj1200]

While few can tell exactly what all their motives in purchasing the company are, I'd say it follows a pattern,
They see a market, (created by their products (intentionally or unintentionally))
And they make a move to capture it.
BTW FJ ... THEY KNOW what their products do FJ, they don't have to wait 75 years for data.

Fj, you ask if there's anything wrong with money.
the answer of course is, no.

But the question here is,
is there anything wrong with the way Big Pharma is making their's?

A drug dealer on the corner is just making money. capitalism is good. selling to 6th to 12th graders is a skill, and they are a market. supply and demand.
capitalism is good. don't be angry at the players.
right?

Here's the thing FJ, it's not really about "capitalism" being bad, it's the products, deceptive marketing and crony capitalism.
Big Pharma has a very long track record of corruption. But Starting with the obvious is the fact that the FDA and CDC are revolving doors for Big Pharma executives. Which happens to allow their "former" and "future" companies to get their products approved, and allows them to stifle competition and limit generics, and even stifle TALK about natural remedies.
After that (i've posted elsewhere) there's public knowledge that the testing of new drugs/products is controlled/rigged by Big Pharma. It's not independent or independently verified often. To the point that even the "independent" medical journals where test results are published have been captured $$$.
Add to that of course all the $$$ given to congress for their regulatory "assistance". Just to shepherd along all the "pro business" regs that the Big Pharma lobby "suggest"/writes.

That's not to say that all new drugs are crap, or that all the people that make them are all evil.
But when billions are a stake more than a few people will ignore a few of the rules, cutting corners etc..
and if things work out, great! win win. If not, what you have is what we've seen too often, Big Pharma paying billions in damages and fines for various products... year after year for decades.
Many of those products they knew were crap. But they sold them ANYWAY.
The opioid crisis is exhibit 'A'. Was that all a mistake? many courts have said no. On several levels.

So FJ, Sassy and I are looking at Big Pharma, and Pfizer specifically, in the light of Big Pharma's record of crimes.
And the past 2 years of obfuscation about the vaccines side effects. Obfuscation by Big Pharma (75 years to release data, etc), the FDA & CDC and the "brought to you by Pfizer" MSM and Social Media.

While you may want to give Big Pharma the benny of the doubt and assume benign motives, biz practices and products,
when it comes to me and my family's health, I don't find Big Pharma trustworthy enough to do that.
Not even close.

There's no point in me arguing with your truth is there? I don't accept your premise.

[fj1200]

I'm told that Vanguard and Blackrock run the world!!! They don't.

I'm told that the Globalists are coming to enslave us all!!! Right after they raise all our living standards and bring greater liberties.

After a history of medical ethics violations, Pfizer is using the COVID-19 pandemic to carry out yet more crimes against humanity.)

It's hard for me to accept the above as based in reality either.

[SassyLady]

I'm told that Vanguard and Blackrock run the world!!! They don't.

I'm told that the Globalists are coming to enslave us all!!! Right after they raise all our living standards and bring greater liberties.



It's hard for me to accept the above as based in reality either.

And the world didn't believe Hitler was committing genocide until it was too late. Because the government owned the media.

I'm OK with you not believing anything I post. You really, truly don't have to read what I post. I think you secretly love it because it's an outlet for your contrarism personality.

Just like it gives me a kick to send you to places you wouldn't normally go.

[Kathianne]

And the world didn't believe Hitler was committing genocide until it was too late. Because the government owned the media.

I'm OK with you not believing anything I post. You really, truly don't have to read what I post. I think you secretly love it because it's an outlet for your contrarism personality.

Just like it gives me a kick to send you to places you wouldn't normally go.

This made me laugh. All of us need to recognize the humor contained in argument.