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    safe & effective
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    Fluoride in Water Poses “Unreasonable Risk” to Children, Federal Judge Rules


    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/w...urt-Ruling.pdf


    UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
    NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
    FOOD & WATER WATCH, INC., et al.,
    Plaintiffs,
    v.
    UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL
    PROTECTION AGENCY, et al.,..


    https://vigilantnews.com/post/victor...l-judge-rules/


    Brenda Baletti, Ph.D.

    A federal judge rejected the EPA’s argument that the exact level at which fluoride is hazardous is too unclear to determine if the chemical presents an unreasonable risk, and ruled the agency must take regulatory action.
    In a decision that could end the practice of water fluoridation in the U.S., a federal judge late Tuesday ruled that water fluoridation at current U.S. levels poses an “unreasonable risk” of reduced IQ in children.

    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) can no longer ignore that risk, and must take regulatory action, Judge Edward Chen of the U.S. District Court of the Northern District of California wrote in the long-awaited landmark decision.

    More than 200 million Americans drink water treated with fluoride at the “optimal” level of 0.7 milligrams per liter (mg/L). However, Chen ruled that a preponderance of scientific evidence shows this level of fluoride exposure may damage human health, particularly that of pregnant mothers and young children.

    The verdict delivers a major blow to the EPA, public health agencies like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and professional lobbying groups like the American Dental Association (ADA), which have staked their reputations on the claim that water fluoridation is one of the greatest public health achievements of the 20th century and an unqualified public good.

    Fluoride proponents refused to reexamine that stance despite mounting scientific evidence from top researchers and government agencies of fluoride’s neurotoxic risks, particularly for infants’ developing brains....
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    --- A new national study from France found that COVID-19 vaccines are linked to a more than 20% increased risk of heavy menstrual bleeding in the first three months following the primary vaccination series, Trial Site News reported.

    The study, published in the October edition of Vaccines, “provides further support for the existence of an increased risk of heavy menstrual bleeding disorders following COVID-19 vaccination with mRNA vaccines,” the authors wrote.
    Researchers from EPI-PHARE, part of the French National Agency for the Safety of Medicines and Health Products and the French National Health Insurance, conducted a “case-control study” using comprehensive data from the French National Health Data System.
    They were investigating how to better measure the risk of heavy menstrual bleeding following COVID-19 vaccination reported across the world soon after the vaccines were rolled out.
    Dr. James Thorp, an obstetrician and gynecologist who has extensively documented harm to women from the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines, told The Defender the study was “comprehensive and well done,” for the subset of women that it studied, which included only women who were hospitalized for heavy menstrual bleeding...--

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-vaccines-heavy-menstrual-bleeding-study/?utm_source=x&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=defen der&utm_id=20240927
    Last edited by revelarts; 09-27-2024 at 12:20 PM.
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    “There was a decision not to do anything that made the vaccine sound like it didn't work…
    The spike protein is immunotoxic… When I give you an mRNA vaccine... I don't know how much spike protein you make...
    I won't take the MRNA vaccines anymore.”


    Fmr. CDC Director Robert Redfield:
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    “There was a decision not to do anything that made the vaccine sound like it didn't work…
    The spike protein is immunotoxic… When I give you an mRNA vaccine... I don't know how much spike protein you make...
    I won't take the MRNA vaccines anymore.”


    Fmr. CDC Director Robert Redfield:
    The minute I heard the vax had mRNA I asked my doctor about it and based on that discussion I decided I wasn't going to alter my DNA for the flu.
    If the freedom of speech is taken away
    then dumb and silent we may be led,
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    George Washington (1732-1799) First President of the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    The minute I heard the vax had mRNA I asked my doctor about it and based on that discussion I decided I wasn't going to alter my DNA for the flu.
    Yep
    Early on when i heard a researcher say that the MRNA shots altered cell DNA & told our bodies to make Spike proteins, so our body's immune system could attack them... I didn't really hear much else. I had to relisten to get the rest of it.
    I'm no doctor, but that sounded crazy to me.

    Then the promoters later followed up with the comments saying
    "It stays in the arm..."
    Again I'm not a dr, but I thought how could that be true? they said
    "it's stays a in the muscle tissue"
    Ok...so a portion of your muscle is going to be producing Spike proteins... for how long?
    -Crickets-
    Then not long after the admissions started trickling out ...
    "... Well some nurses are sloppy, they hit blood vessles so it goes all over the body"
    "... Well it doesn't stay in the muscle, it does get into other parts of the body... "
    "... Well it does get into breast milk..."
    "... well it does cross the plecenta... and the brain blood barrier (if memory serves)...
    "... well it it does alter your DNA...
    "... well it will be passed on to your children and progeny forever...
    "... But it's safe & effective so get your booster..."


    Sorry, no.
    Last edited by revelarts; 10-02-2024 at 08:13 AM.
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    New Study
    "Conspiracy theories now medical journal headline"

    "Vaccine Shedding"
    the conspiracy theory & wikipedia calls it an Antivaxxer myth.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_shedding


    Menstrual Abnormalities Strongly Associated with Proximity to COVID-19 Vaccinated Individuals
    https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/113

    New Study Finds Concerning Evidence of COVID-19 'Vaccine' Shedding
    Menstrual Abnormalities Strongly Associated with Proximity to COVID-19 Vaccinated Individuals

    Nicolas Hulscher, MPH
    Dec 09, 2024
    by Nicolas Hulscher, MPH

    A new study titled, Menstrual Abnormalities Strongly Associated with Proximity to COVID-19 Vaccinated Individuals, was just published in the International Journal of Vaccine Theory, Practice, and Research:

    In Spring 2021, MyCycleStorySM launched a secure online survey to which 92.3% of 6049 respondents self-reported menstrual irregularities occurring after the rollout of the COVID-19 injectables. Each respondent served as her own control because prior to the rollout of COVID-19 vaccination, the vast majority had regular menstrual cycles. A subgroup of 3390 respondents were only indirectly exposed to COVID-19 vaccines or the SARS-CoV-2 virus. This subgroup reported 1) being unvaccinated for COVID-19; 2) having had no COVID-19 symptoms; and 3) no positive test for COVID-19, yet a substantial majority of these women, who were only indirectly exposed to COVID-19 injectables or COVID-19 infections still had many of the same menstrual abnormalities as the 2659 women who were directly exposed to a COVID-19 injection (798), or had COVID-19 symptoms (1347), or tested positive for COVID-19 (514). Generalized linear mixed modeling was used to examine the association (not assuming causation) between abnormal menses experienced after the COVID-19 vaccine rollout by respondents who were only indirectly exposed by some degree of proximity to persons. Chi-Square, Student’s t, Kruskal-Wallis or ANOVA tests were used to assess the statistical significance of the similarities of menstrual irregularities reported by the directly exposed and indirectly exposed groups...

    https://petermcculloughmd.substack.c...rning-evidence



    more study should be done.



    I think the only things so far that conspiracy theorist anti-vaxxers have been wrong on so far THANKFULLY are
    •Micro chips in the vaccines
    •the super high number of quick deaths from the shots

    Add more if I've missed any
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    ...online survey ... self-reported ... her own control...
    Sure you see the... nvm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Sure you see the... nvm.
    It's all science...there is no science.


    "The government is a child that has found their parents credit card, and spends knowing that they never have to reconcile the bill with their own money"-Shannon Churchill


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    It's all science...there is no science.
    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Sure you see the... nvm.
    CDC
    Summary of recent changes (last updated October 31, 2024):
    People ages 65 years and older, vaccinated under the routine schedule, are recommended to receive 2 doses of any 2024–2025 COVID-19 vaccine (i.e., Moderna, Novavax, or Pfizer-BioNTech) separated by 6 months (minimum interval 2 months) regardless of vaccination history, with one exception: Unvaccinated people who initiate vaccination with 2024–2025 Novavax COVID-19 Vaccine are recommended to receive 2 doses of Novavax followed by a third dose of any COVID-19 vaccine 6 months (minimum interval 2 months) later.
    People ages 6 months and older who are moderately or severely immunocompromised are recommended to receive:
    Unvaccinated: A multidose initial series with an age-appropriate COVID-19 vaccine and 1 dose 6 months (minimum interval 2 months) after completion of the initial series; may receive additional doses under shared clinical decision making
    Previously completed the multidose initial series: 2 age-appropriate doses of 2024–2025 COVID-19 vaccine 6 months (minimum interval 2 months) apart; may receive additional doses under shared clinical decision making...
    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ations-us.html


    Have you both gotten your boosters?
    Aren't you trusting THE official science?
    Or are you looking at various info available from various other sources and making your own decision?

    It's all science...there is no science.?
    I'm Sure you see the... nvm.


    I've posted links to dozens of studies, seems you guys assume all of them are wrong no matter WHAT.
    triple blinded, peer reviewed, a billion participants, or scientifically curated & published online surveys.
    I've quoted experts of various field but FJ says he knows better than them.
    Their clinical experience seeing patients over 30 years means little to nothing.

    Look believe what you want, but DO NOT pretend that you are not making your OWN judgements on which "science" to accept and which not to.
    And dont pretend you're using the same level of criticism when you agree with the the "science".

    Seems the science NOT to accept of course is, anything i post.
    It's got something wrong by default. you just have to find it. anything will do.

    because we know the covid shots are generally great, only & a few people have been harmed by them.
    (Something else MUST have cause the supposed excess death)
    They're generally as good as all the other vaccines and others govt approved medications.
    Anything else is crazy talk no matter what or how many doctors, scientist, researchers, morticians, or studies say otherwise.

    no worries
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    no worries
    You don't care what they say except when they say something that supports your POV even when they explicitly acknowledge the shortcomings of what they've presented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    You don't care what they say except when they say something that supports your POV even when they explicitly acknowledge the shortcomings of what they've presented.
    mmm, excuse me FJ, I'm fairly selective of what i post.
    I've seen at least 5-15 other studies and expert commentary to every 1 post here.
    And I've never said that ANY are iron clad and unquestionable.
    What i have said is that the evidence LEANS towards the conclusions in the studies & commentary.
    and i usually end with the comment "more study should be done".

    While you seem to dismiss the evidence presented out of hand on various (any) technicalities, the 1st being that I posted it.
    In one case even trying to claim that a study I posted wasn't a study, for like a page & a half.

    Look, no worries,
    Have you gotten your science/CDC recommended boosters?
    If not what science are using to back up that decision? what rando doctors & 'jack leg' studies are you listening too?
    Is your Science BETTER than the Science of the CDC Fj?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    mmm, excuse me FJ, I'm fairly selective of what i post.
    I've seen at least 5-15 other studies and expert commentary to every 1 post here.
    And I've never said that ANY are iron clad and unquestionable.
    What i have said is that the evidence LEANS towards the conclusions in the studies & commentary.
    and i usually end with the comment "more study should be done".

    While you seem to dismiss the evidence presented out of hand on various (any) technicalities, the 1st being that I posted it.
    In one case even trying to claim that a study I posted wasn't a study, for like a page & a half.

    Look, no worries,
    Have you gotten your science/CDC recommended boosters?
    If not what science are using to back up that decision? what rando doctors & 'jack leg' studies are you listening too?
    Is your Science BETTER than the Science of the CDC Fj?
    You didn't understand what I was saying then and apparently still don't. And don't think I don't notice the sarcasm.

    I could say that 100% of what you post would be concerning if they were true. But I don't see you acknowledge even 10% of the time that yeah, that doesn't quite meet standards. I posted studies that correlated X condition to covid in general and not vaccines but a stunning lack of acknowledgement happened. I was shocked! OK, not shocked.

    Do I get boosters? No, I don't get boosters. I also don't get the flu vaccine. Is covid 2024 the same as 2020? No it is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    You didn't understand what I was saying then and apparently still don't. And don't think I don't notice the sarcasm.



    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    .. I posted studies that correlated X condition to covid in general and not vaccines but a stunning lack of acknowledgement happened. I was shocked! OK, not shocked....
    Yes, Notice what i dont do.
    I don't come back with dismissive one-liners, nit-picking BS, or snarky commentary about you or the studies you post.

    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Do I get boosters? No, I don't get boosters. I also don't get the flu vaccine. Is covid 2024 the same as 2020? No it is not.
    Fj, Are you a doctor?
    I didn't think so.
    Do you have multiple, double blinded, placebo controlled, peer reviewed studies, with a large sample sizes (4000 plus), over a long period of time, from "reputable" sources, from in the U.S. & Europe, to backup any of the claims you just asserted?

    ...nvm
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post




    Yes, Notice what i dont do.
    I don't come back with dismissive one-liners, nit-picking BS, or snarky commentary about you or the studies you post.


    Fj, Are you a doctor?
    I didn't think so.
    Do you have multiple, double blinded, placebo controlled, peer reviewed studies, with a large sample sizes (4000 plus), over a long period of time, from "reputable" sources, from in the U.S. & Europe, to backup any of the claims you just asserted?

    ...nvm
    You don't do anything so what am I to expect? They're bad studies or they're not. If you think they're bad, why? If you think they're good, why? If they don't factor in all variables then what's missing? I don't really nit pick, I attempt to point out that they're missing something rather important and many times I'm only repeating what they already acknowledge (which is what you oft times describe as nit picking). The goal here is truth and fact.

    What claim did I assert? Seems I only asserted that covid'24 is not covid'19. Studies don't seem necessary; it's a pure number:



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