Originally Posted by
fj1200
I think I answered the way I answered is because no matter what I say I'd be presented with the same argument. I don't take OWG stuff seriously and some of your arguments and historical basis for OWG stuff is not, in my opinion, performing the basis for OWG, at least not competently. Some those institutions are doing a fine job of ensuring that they can't really be taken seriously; The UN and the blue helmets are pretty much feckless attempts at OWG. I support many efforts to grease the wheels of free trade; NAFTA, EU, TPP, etc. and some of the institutions that would be required for enforcement actions; but I don't consider those OWG.
Now I can probably agree that many things are done poorly or maybe shouldn't be done at all (looking at you a Euro that includes Greece) but making arguments that are clearly off board don't help the credibility in confronting what should be challenged.
In summary, no dodge. It was actually the best answer I could have provided given the open-ended nature of the question. Was it a bit flip? I'll cop to that. :embarrassed:
Ok, I think I see your points.
However just because something is done badly and even inconsistently doesn't mean it's not what it is. Or that it will stay ineffective.
The US army didn't start off very formidable either. Neither did the Air force. Or the FBI or the CIA. Or the Mafia.
Doesn't mean the members and promoters meant for the orgs to stay that way.
Thankfully the One World Gov't is NOT where it's proponents want it to be. But it's farther along the track than they were 80 years ago.
Part of the reason the parts mentioned have gotten this far is because of it's stealth and fractured build. Part of the reason for some of it's weakness you mention are it's stealth and fractured build.
Since the narrative is still somewhat clandestine it's narrative doesn't have the power of the narrative of nations and personal freedom.
And to deal with this the NWO leaning types have openly written about their search for a problem, or problems, to use to move the one world gov't narrative into the mainstream. wars, pandemics (!) and climate change (even aliens real or manufactured) have been on the list to try and drive the idea we NEED a world "FEDERAL" World government.
Who said that any gov't has to work well. They alway work pretty great for those at the top.
Also to one specific you've mentioned this before, and i've never understood.
the Idea that treaties like NAFTA, EU, TPP, equal more "free trade". the guts of those proposals limit free trade to parties large enoung to follow the rules. and in the TTPs case it allows the larger Corps to control various legal issues on local and international levels.
seems that you're willingly blind to the stifling of small biz, the collusion, and oligarchy and built into agreements.
And the fact that your willing to ignore the poison in the mix to advance what you think is an overall good just allows to poison to spread.
what you think you're buying is "free trade" but in the end it will be taken away as well. it's already in the buy.
Last edited by revelarts; 12-10-2021 at 10:54 AM.
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