Euthanasia in New Zealand

[SassyLady]

Glad I'm not living in New Zealand.

https://stuartbramhall.wordpress.com...ovid-patients/

Doctors get $1,000 plus expenses from government for every euthanasia they perform. Ths question is will covid patients be euthanized?

[fj1200]

Glad I'm not living in New Zealand.

https://stuartbramhall.wordpress.com...ovid-patients/

Doctors get $1,000 plus expenses from government for every euthanasia they perform. Ths question is will covid patients be euthanized?

No.

Euthanasia became legal in New Zealand when the End of Life Choice Act 2019 took full effect on 7 November 2021. It is illegal to "aid and abet suicide" under Section 179 of the New Zealand Crimes Act 1961.^[1] The clauses of this act make it an offence to "incite, procure or counsel" and "aid and abet" someone else to commit suicide, regardless of whether a suicide attempt is made or not. Section 179 covers both coercion to undertake assisted suicide and true suicide, such as that caused by bullying. This will not change under the End of Life Choices Act 2019, which has provisions on coercion of terminally ill people.The controversial book The Peaceful Pill Handbook describing how to perform euthanasia was initially banned in New Zealand. Since May 2008 it has been allowed for sale to readers over eighteen years of age, if it is sealed and an indication of the censorship classification is displayed. In addition, author Philip Nitschke excised a section that dealt specifically with methods of suicide, which might otherwise have fallen afoul of Section 179.^[2]
The End of Life Choice Bill passed in parliament 69–51 in November 2019.^[3] The matter was decided at a binding referendum held alongside the 2020 general election, with the electorate voting in favour of legalisation.^[4] The legislation took effect one year after the official declaration of the referendum result, on 7 November 2021.^[5][6]

The law has been on the books for two years.

[SassyLady]

No.



The law has been on the books for two years.

From the article.

Patients admitted to hospital with COVID-19 can die by euthanasia if doctors decide they might not survive, the New Zealand government has declared.

The Ministry of Health confirmed that a right to a lethal injection under a new euthanasia law could extend to patients who were either dying from the coronavirus or suffering unbearably from its consequences.

It permits both euthanasia and assisted suicide for adults suffering from an illness which would be terminal within six months, or who were in an advanced state of irreversible physical decline or who were suffering unbearably.

[fj1200]

From the article.

I know what it says because I read it. I also did some more research and decided that the commenter was purposefully inflammatory. But that's the norm around covid these days.

[SassyLady]

I know what it says because I read it. I also did some more research and decided that the commenter was purposefully inflammatory. But that's the norm around covid these days.

So, anything of concern about covid not put forth by your sources is considered inflammatory? 🤔

[revelarts]

Euthanasia is an option of covid patients in New Zealand.
from the OP
"“In some circumstances a person with COVID-19 may be eligible for assisted dying”."
https://www.planet-today.com/2022/01...uthanasia.html


the Reuters "debunk"
“Eligibility is determined on a case-by-case basis; therefore, the Ministry cannot make definitive statements about who is eligible. In some circumstances a person with COVID-19 may be eligible for assisted dying.”
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/24787...id-19-patients



Sadly it appears to be true, the "debunkers" just don't like the way it's said.

Some Covid patients are eligible for a contract killings, and the NZ gov't will "reimbursement" the doctors for the contract killing.

[fj1200]

So, anything of concern about covid not put forth by your sources is considered inflammatory? 🤔

Inflammatory rhetoric is inflammatory. Try again this time without reference to "my sources."

Seems that anything that existed before and now has covid attached to it gets ratcheted up the fear ladder.

Sadly it appears to be true, the "debunkers" just don't like the way it's said.

Some Covid patients are eligible for a contract killings, and the NZ gov't will "reimbursement" the doctors for the contract killing.

... purposefully inflammatory. But that's the norm around covid these days.

Seems to me the discussion should be around euthanasia laws in NZ or elsewhere and not just hair-on-fire covid references.

[revelarts]

Inflammatory rhetoric is inflammatory. Try again this time without reference to "my sources."
Seems that anything that existed before and now has covid attached to it gets ratcheted up the fear ladder.
Seems to me the discussion should be around euthanasia laws in NZ or elsewhere and not just hair-on-fire covid references.

From time to time I call Abortion, 'killing a child' or murder as well. that may be "inflammatory" to some but it's true.

Same here. people's hair should be on fire. with abortion and euthanasia, the opposite ends of the same 2 headed snake.
the fact that it can be used on covid patients is a legitimate expression of the problem as any other.
And again hair should be on fire when the gov't that claims to "protect" people pays people to kill them.



BTW
contract killing
noun
'a murder carried out on agreement with a hired killer'
https://www.definitions.net/definition/contract+killing

[fj1200]

From time to time I call Abortion, 'killing a child' or murder as well. that may be "inflammatory" to some but it's true.

Same here. people's hair should be on fire. with abortion and euthanasia, the opposite ends of the same 2 headed snake.
the fact that it can be used on covid patients is a legitimate expression of the problem as any other.
And again hair should be on fire when the gov't that claims to "protect" people pays people to kill them.



BTW
contract killing
noun
'a murder carried out on agreement with a hired killer'
https://www.definitions.net/definition/contract+killing

Point of order; they call it the End of Choice Life Act. There is a distinct difference between doctor assisted suicide and contract killing as you're trying to portray it. And I agree iwth you on abortion but the issue at hand is not "using it on covid patients" it's allowing covid patients to choose assisted dying.

[SassyLady]

Point of order; they call it the End of Choice Life Act. There is a distinct difference between doctor assisted suicide and contract killing as you're trying to portray it. And I agree iwth you on abortion but the issue at hand is not "using it on covid patients" it's allowing covid patients to choose assisted dying.

The issue is that covid patients can fall under the category of suffering unbearably. Therefore, euthanasia can be used for covid patients which you denied.

[fj1200]

The issue is that covid patients can fall under the category of suffering unbearably. Therefore, euthanasia can be used for covid patients which you denied.

I didn't deny anything; It's more appropriately called assisted dying in NZ. And as I understand covid patients can suffer unbearably and in some cases it may be terminal. I'm not sure of your position on New Zealand's law prior to the attachment of covid.

[SassyLady]

I didn't deny anything; It's more appropriately called assisted dying in NZ. And as I understand covid patients can suffer unbearably and in some cases it may be terminal. I'm not sure of your position on New Zealand's law prior to the attachment of covid.

I'm for it as long as individual is cognizant enough to consent with non related witnesses for the consent. Never if it's a 2nd or 3rd party making the decision (such as medical/insurance bureaucrats or family members).

Assisted dying is just a different terminology (like calling an illegal alien an undocumented immigrant). It's still euthanasia if a doctor is administering the meds That's why it was added to assisted suicide. The medical professional gets paid by the government to do it. The patient is not doing the injection.

[fj1200]

I'm for it as long as individual is cognizant enough to consent with non related witnesses for the consent. Never if it's a 2nd or 3rd party making the decision (such as medical/insurance bureaucrats or family members).

Assisted dying is just a different terminology (like calling an illegal alien an undocumented immigrant). It's still euthanasia if a doctor is administering the meds That's why it was added to assisted suicide. The medical professional gets paid by the government to do it. The patient is not doing the injection.

Then it seems nothing substantive has changed from a week ago. Someone just added covid to a list. No big deal.

[SassyLady]

Then it seems nothing substantive has changed from a week ago. Someone just added covid to a list. No big deal.

Yep. The legislation took effect in November 2021 so connecting covid now is appropriate timing I would think.

[revelarts]

I didn't deny anything; It's more appropriately called assisted dying in NZ. And as I understand covid patients can suffer unbearably and in some cases it may be terminal. I'm not sure of your position on New Zealand's law prior to the attachment of covid.

why is it "more appropriately called assisted dying".
what's appropriate about it?
Calling it assisted suicide and contract killing seems just as "appropriate" to me.

...Someone just added covid to a list. No big deal.

I'm Not sure why adding an extra illness to the list of those eligible for legal contract killing is "NO BIG DEAL".
killing people is NO BIG DEAL? really?
I always thought excuses for killing people, or even hurting people had to be a pretty big deal.
When did adding excuses for legally killing folks become no big deal exactly?