Euthanasia in New Zealand

[Gunny]

I'm not worried about that. Scare tactics IMO.

Now when have you known me to go around using (anyone's) scare tactics?

I sat here and came to that possible conclusion all on my lonesome. Too much of what is reality today was somebody's "scare tactics" and would never happen, wasn't worth worrying about when I was younger. You couldn't have sold me on a lot of what I'm seeing today (esp the past 5-6 years) 40 years ago. But here it is.

Note I did not say it is "the" conclusion and "will" happen. I'm just not ruling it out.

[fj1200]

Now when have you known me to go around using (anyone's) scare tactics?

I sat here and came to that possible conclusion all on my lonesome. Too much of what is reality today was somebody's "scare tactics" and would never happen, wasn't worth worrying about when I was younger. You couldn't have sold me on a lot of what I'm seeing today (esp the past 5-6 years) 40 years ago. But here it is.

Note I did not say it is "the" conclusion and "will" happen. I'm just not ruling it out.

It was more of a general comment and not meant specifically to you. I just happened to say it while we were chatting.

[Gunny]

It was more of a general comment and not meant specifically to you. I just happened to say it while we were chatting.

Food for thought:

The video is rather long and tedious. I just coincidentally had it on when I was cleaning the other day for some background noise. Don't ask how that works in a film with no dialogue One of the things that caught my attention is the size of this place. I've lived in smaller towns.

This place was closed/shut down/liberated only 14 years before I was born. No, I am not Jewish and I take a lot of their propaganda with a grain of salt. There is however no denying that this happened (unless you are Ilhan Omar and/or her ilk).

People did this to other people. Those people were first elected to office by the people for promises of a better life. Even those unaware of what was going on in these camps still turned a blind eye to the demonization of Jews and their treatment so Hitler and the State had an enemy to focus on.

It is incomprehensible to most of us that this could happen, and/or that man could do this to man. Just to add, Stalin's BS in Russia rivaled Hitler's in every way, so it isn't a one-off.

In the name of the betterment of the State, the people, science, expedience, justice. So I'm not going to say it can't happen.

[revelarts]

CANADA will not be outdone.

‘Dystopian’: Canada to legalise euthanasia for drug addicts
Canada is set to legalise euthanasia for drug addicts. The government will pass legislation in March which will mean people with substance abuse issues can access assisted suicide even if they have no physical ailments.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ted-drugs.html
https://science.slashdot.org/story/2...icted-to-drugs




Anybody really still questioned that "slippery slope" thing?

[Gunny]

CANADA will not be outdone.

‘Dystopian’: Canada to legalise euthanasia for drug addicts
Canada is set to legalise euthanasia for drug addicts. The government will pass legislation in March which will mean people with substance abuse issues can access assisted suicide even if they have no physical ailments.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ted-drugs.html
https://science.slashdot.org/story/2...icted-to-drugs




Anybody really still questioned that "slippery slope" thing?

Conflicting morals?

On one hand, suicide is a violation of Christian morality.

On the other, the Rights of an individual who no longer wishes to live. While I do consider current society has a lot do with people losing their desire to live even against the primal instinct to survive, the fact is, how can you force someone to want to live? Some people just don't.

Then you have those in prison doing life without parole clinging to ever second. Go figure.

Should the state force people to live?

[revelarts]

Should the state force people to live?

not to go down a deep & winding road.
I think the question here is,

Should the state be a hired contract killer if people want to die?

[Gunny]

not to go down a deep & winding road.
I think the question here is,

Should the state be a hire contract killer if people want to die?

Facilitator would be a better term.

Good question. I personally do not believe it is a good idea to get comfortable with notion of the state facilitating "suicide".

[revelarts]

Facilitator would be a better term.

Good question. I personally do not believe it is a good idea to get comfortable with notion of the state facilitating "suicide".

Facilitator is a great term for the job in some British sci-fi movie about this crap.

"Heeellooo, you arrre Mr Junkey I presume"
"Yes. that's right."
"AH Wonderful, I'm Mr Nekros your Facilitator. You are ready for your procedure correct?"
"well actually I've been having 2nd thoughts.. and... well.."
"Nonsense, as your professional Facilitator I can help walk your through such pish-posh & rubbish, it happens all the time... let me help you get comfortable..."


But gunny Here's the other thing, It would ruin the word for all other uses.
People in other fields would have to keep saying .."no no not THAT kind of Facilitator".


Contract Killer is strait forward, plan and honest.
and only puts a slightly less harsh spin on the rest of that professions.

[Gunny]

Facilitator is a great term for the job in some British sci-fi movie about this crap.

"Heeellooo, you arrre Mr Junkey I presume"
"Yes. that's right."
"AH Wonderful, I'm Mr Nekros your Facilitator. You are ready for your procedure correct?"
"well actually I've been having 2nd thoughts.. and... well.."
"Nonsense, as your professional Facilitator I can help walk your through such pish-posh & rubbish, it happens all the time... let me help you get comfortable..."


But gunny Here's the other thing, It would ruin the word for all other uses.
People in other fields would have to keep saying .."no no not THAT kind of Facilitator".


Contract Killer is strait forward, plan and honest.
and only puts a slightly less harsh spin on the rest of that professions.

Not sure one could do more harm to the word than has already been done. I use it negatively. Enabler is just as bad.

The point is, there's this long list of unintended consequences that tends to follow well meaning government intentions. We can at least agree that we can see something like this morphing into something else and not anything good. Hey. Biden tried to pay off student loans with the Patriot Act, so not much is off the table in my mind when those dimwits start what they call thinking.

[revelarts]

[revelarts]

2018

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ed-for-canada/

[RoccoR]

RE: Euthanasia in New Zealand
SUBTOPIC: Morality and Reality
※→ et al,

• This is, almost of the time, a topic dominated by the Religious influences relative to the orchestrated death (the taking of a life).

• The opposing view, usually in the minority, is the advocation voluntary assisted death.

Considerations oppising the dogmatic and compliance oriented religious teaching and ritualistic views normally associated with the Abrahamic Religions.

1. The dogmatic and compliance view would discount further unnecessary agony enduring in the case of prolonged or terminal illness;
2. The dogmatic and compliance view would disregard the chance of an unreasonable prediction of a discovery of a cure within the lifetime of the ill;
3. The dogmatic and compliance view would discount the suffering and burden the terminally ill extends to care givers, family and friends;4
4. The dogmatic and compliance view would disregard expressed by the terminal patient wish to be terminated. including the quality of life issue.

And yet, there are still more practical reasons considering infant and child development issues. And then there is the issue of rape and incesst. And yet there will be more that we have not thought yet.

Most Respectfully,
R

[Gunny]

2018

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ed-for-canada/

Question(s):

Taking this at face value, without all the possible things that can go wrong, NZ and Canada and probably others have legalized euthanasia, which boils down to assisted suicide. Other than moral objection, why not?

I can think of a couple of reasons off the top of my head "why" to consider it. I've watched people die from cancer and it is an ugly way to go. Being locked in a cage for life without parole and all means or appeal exhausted also comes to mind. Not to mention the State already has the right to kill you for certain crimes. Abortion is legal.

I've often wondered who exactly we are keeping these people alive for. Them? Or us?

[SassyLady]

I think it's more about how gets to make the decision to end your life.

[Gunny]

I think it's more about how gets to make the decision to end your life.

That is still a debate with no end in sight as far as pulling the plug goes, isn't it? It's not illegal in the US to do it.

One would think that euthanasia would have to be requested beforehand by the individual. This thread's pretty old. If I have time, I'll try and read it again.