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    Default Judge orders FDA to release 55,000 pages per month

    Of Pfizer's covid vaccine study instead of 500 pages per month which would have taken 75 years. Full transparency is needed with everything surrounding these vaccines.

    https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/ins...sted-500-pages
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Of Pfizer's covid vaccine study instead of 500 pages per month which would have taken 75 years. Full transparency is needed with everything surrounding these vaccines.

    https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/ins...sted-500-pages
    We should also be asking , why those that did get the shot(s) are--also- by and large so in line with the drug companies not revealing more much sooner.
    Could it be that , many are afraid of what they- just may- find out?? --Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Of Pfizer's covid vaccine study instead of 500 pages per month which would have taken 75 years. Full transparency is needed with everything surrounding these vaccines.

    https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/ins...sted-500-pages
    This I agree with.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    We should also be asking , why those that did get the shot(s) are--also- by and large so in line with the drug companies not revealing more much sooner.
    Could it be that , many are afraid of what they- just may- find out?? --Tyr
    Do you mean anyone who got the shots? I have had the vaccine and I've not been ok with non-transparancy at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    This I agree with.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Do you mean anyone who got the shots? I have had the vaccine and I've not been ok with non-transparancy at all.
    Where I don't see the point is those that are determined to not get vaccinated aren't going to believe anything anymore than they believe the stats now.

    On the other hand, those who use the info to make an informed decision should be entitled to as much factual information as is available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Where I don't see the point is those that are determined to not get vaccinated aren't going to believe anything anymore than they believe the stats now.

    On the other hand, those who use the info to make an informed decision should be entitled to as much factual information as is available.
    We all make our own decisions, based on what we decide is the best information and in our best interests.

    I am SO done with covid posts and 23/24 news coverage.

    I'm sick of mandates. I'm sick of being bludgeoned by anti-vax crowd. I totally get the principles underlying refusal to cede to mandates.

    I don't agree that those that have made that choice need to demean those that are against the mandates and false statements by government and minions.

    To have decided to get vax doesn't mean one backs the government, regardless of which group is in charge.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    We all make our own decisions, based on what we decide is the best information and in our best interests.

    I am SO done with covid posts and 23/24 news coverage.

    I'm sick of mandates. I'm sick of being bludgeoned by anti-vax crowd. I totally get the principles underlying refusal to cede to mandates.

    I don't agree that those that have made that choice need to demean those that are against the mandates and false statements by government and minions.

    To have decided to get vax doesn't mean one backs the government, regardless of which group is in charge.
    Ditto.

    I will add, those shrieking that if one doesn't get vaccinated they are killing themselves and everyone around them are no better than the anti-vax crowd. I'm fine with people's individual decisions. Trying to force their decisions on everyone out of fear, and a need to justify their decision is not okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Do you mean anyone who got the shots? I have had the vaccine and I've not been ok with non-transparancy at all.
    No, I certainly did not mean--everyone..
    I am fine with those that used their brains, gathered info and decided for themselves and what they think best for their family. As that is exactly how I approached that and thus made my decision.
    I am not fine with those that out of fear or blindness followed the herd.
    I was taught since being a wee-lad to gather information to make my--own-- decisions in life.
    No government blinded bot or lackey did I ever become.
    My stand is this to the damn government- leave me the hell alone! I will not be forced by anything in this damn universe to allow myself to become an owned slave/citizen. A thing that has no choice and must obey anything and everything that behemoth has become and decides to do to us....
    This dictatorial line the dems are pushing will be met with resistance by those that know exactly what it always leads to, imho.--
    As a correction, I say government used lying propaganda to instil massive --FEAR- and then kept on issuing unlawful decrees.
    As a true American I reject that and I do so adamantly reject any person that thinks that is ok..
    People have been--"educated"" to be stupid, imho..
    Taught to not act in their own best interests , even when those interests involve their own survival.
    Milions have been taught to be socialist and/or to operate in a herd mentality. --Tyr
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    I just want to say that I don't like being referred to as an anti-vaxer.

    I've had every vaccine available (and I'm 70 so that's a shit load of shots as well as boosters) until the covid vaccine. So I'm not an anti-vaxer just because I question this one. I supported Trump but when he got on the vaccine bullet train I had doubts. I started researching. I asked all my medical professionals about it. My step son and daughter-in-law are nurses and we discussed it. I have friends that had covid early in 2020 and discussed the risk of covid vs the vaccine. I wore the masks. Isolated. I stocked up on emergency supplies and TP.

    I briefly believed in the medical experts. Them I saw that big box stores were open and considered essential but not small businesses. I saw that people were not dropping dead in the streets. Saw people that had it had survived.

    I'm adverse to the vaccine because I think it was rushed to production too fast and for political reasons. And the more it is being mandated the more questions I have. When is the last time a vaccine was mandated? When was the last time you had to show your medical info to eat out, go to the gym, etc.?

    I've always felt that Debate Policy is where I could come to get info I might not have access to. Opinions that are contrary that will make me research harder to support mine. A place that would be open to hearing controversial thoughts. Welcome it even.

    Not so sure anymore.
    Last edited by SassyLady; 01-09-2022 at 10:12 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
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    I've always felt that Debate Policy is where I could come to get info I might not have access to. Opinions that are contrary that will make me research harder to support mine. A place that would be open to hearing controversial thoughts. Welcome it even.

    Not so sure anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    I just want to say that I don't like being referred to as an anti-vaxer.

    I've had every vaccine available (and I'm 70 so that's a shit load of shots as well as boosters) until the covid vaccine. So I'm not an anti-vaxer just because I question this one. I supported Trump but when he got on the vaccine bullet train I had doubts. I started researching. I asked all my medical professionals about it. My step son and daughter-in-law are nurses and we discussed it. I have friends that had covid early in 2020 and discussed the risk of covid vs the vaccine. I wore the masks. Isolated. I stocked up on emergency supplies and TP.

    I briefly believed in the medical experts. Them I saw that big box stores were open and considered essential but not small businesses. I saw that people were not dropping dead in the streets. Saw people that had it had survived.

    I'm adverse to the vaccine because I think it was rushed to production too fast and for political reasons. And the more it is being mandated the more questions I have. When is the last time a vaccine was mandated? When was the last time you had to show your medical info to eat out, go to the gym, etc.?

    I've always felt that Debate Policy is where I could come to get info I might not have access to. Opinions that are contrary that will make me research harder to support mine. A place that would be open to hearing controversial thoughts. Welcome it even.

    Not so sure anymore.
    Government and media are the main culprits in forming and promoting the attacks(the ongoing campaign) on those that have chosen not to take the experimental shots.
    And coming onboard are those that already despise conservatives and others that use their head for more than just a hat rack..
    Division and stirring up that divide is firmly in the lib/dem playbook.
    My take on such people is ffkk'em...--let'em try it face to face...--
    Then the result will not ever be one they like. A fact.. --Tyr
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