Registered nurse nicole sirotek

[Gunny]

Presenting info from whistle-blowers equals losing it?

Snowden? Assange? No one wanted to believe the info they released and yet they are criminals for doing just that?

Nowadays they don't turn you into criminals, they just cancel you, defund you, suspend your credentials or claim you're delusional.

You can say you don't believe the info being presented but please don't denigrate someone because they present alternate info from what the MSM is cramming down our throats.

Presenting one's irrational fear as an "alternate opinion" is stretching it. When the left does it, or the medical community in this instance, it's quickly labeled misinformation/lies. It's no different because it suits one's narrative.

Here's some facts for you, and I don't need to quote some exceptions to the rule as any basis for an opinion: I KNOW of people in my neighborhood, community, city, state and other places that have died from COVID. People from the church and my daughter's and grandchildren's schools who have died of covid. Those are people I used to at least see that aren't there anymore in WAY more numbers than anyone getting a headache from a vaccine.

I know of no one, anywhere that has died from the vaccine. I'm sure someone has because there are always that percentage that begins with ".0xx" that do. There always has been. To present them as anything more than the exception is dishonest.

I don't trust these idiots anymore than Fauci. I have found that when one side of an issue goes looking for something they will always manage to find a way to tailor the truth and facts to suit their narrative. The anti-vax argument is just that. Don't do it the government's way because it's the government. Do it (insert crackpot with an opinion's name here) way. They're smarter than everyone else

In the meantime, we have an administration that is trying to fundamentally change our Nation, and has us on the brink of war in more than one place. What's your "choice" and/or Rights going to be when while you and others are so busy trying to disprove science you lose any "Right" to either?

[fj1200]

"you'd dare say"...
you mean you'd guess... that the military doctors just made up a 300% increase.
sorry I don't find your daring guess credible or backed by anything but your own bias to dimiss any info you don't like.

I fully admit; 100% guess. Backed by some common sense. They probably didn't make up 300% but they discovered something that they wouldn't have looked for before; thus correlation vs. causation.

"may not" you have no evidence to the contrary so assumption of other evidence is simply a HOPE on your part.
while the drs nurses and researchers presenting the evidence are using ALL the gov'ts on data AND their long experience ON the ground with covid patients.

And we know that Facui the CDC and WHO have vigorously suppressed, and cherry picked data.
And literally lied to us all (for our own good) about many things since the beginning of the covid1984.

that gives the people presenting MORE credibility simply BY CONTRAST FJ.

If you've got these 2 guys
telling you one thing and some new kid telling you a different story, the new kid has more credibility by DEFAULT everytime.

Please. Cherry picking data is what this whole debate is about. Cherry picking has been brought to unheard of levels these past two years. The government may not admit it but you won't admit it either. Has anyone else outside of the military found a 300% increase?

But hey, pictures are fun.

I remember
cigarette companies, asbestos companies, Opioid companies... that is Pharmaceutical companies all backed by the CDC and FDA approval saying their products were safe and effective until whistle blowers and other drs and researchers showed otherwise
and even showed that the companies and even some gov't bodies knew it... for decades in some cases.

"Here are historical examples therefore I am right now!" That's what you're saying. It takes a bit more IMHO.

[NightTrain]

No it doesn't. Their credibility here is 100% correlated to whether you agree with them or not. They may present data and evidence but if it doesn't meet a standard of scientific discovery then it's at best anecdotal.

The real problem here is that the data is cooked.

COVID death stats were wildly inflated because there was a real incentive to list a death as COVID related to get that FREE MONEY!!1one! from the Feds. We all heard about people who drove off the road, hit a tree, went through the windshield and pasted himself, yet his cause of death was in the COVID column because he had it.

I deeply suspect that the reverse is true with Vax complications - there is a very real financial incentive for handing out jabs as fast as you can, to anyone you can, because there's more free money from the Feds for doing so.

The water is so muddy by now that a reasonable person just doesn't know what to think anymore or who to believe.

We were all lied to in the beginning about the vax preventing the spread. That's why I took it. Then, after months of evidence pointing to the fact that the vax does nothing at all to prevent transmissibility - all the while refuting this truth with condescending & smug denials from those pushing it, they were finally forced to admit it.

The Feds, Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson knew full well from the get-go that they did nothing for preventing transmission. But it was for your own good, see, so shut up and roll up your sleeves, peasants! We were all deliberately lied to in order to participate in this experiment. Anything they say from here on our is to rightfully be questioned and verified, because they've lost the element of trust.

Given their appalling track record on being wrong and full on deception in every aspect of this terrible misadventure, no one in their right mind would take anything they say at face value.

When the guy who literally invented the mRNA technology is banned & censored after calling out that they're misusing and what they're expecting from mRNA vaccines, you'd be quite reasonable to start paying attention and asking questions.

[SassyLady]

Presenting one's irrational fear as an "alternate opinion" is stretching it. When the left does it, or the medical community in this instance, it's quickly labeled misinformation/lies. It's no different because it suits one's narrative.

Here's some facts for you, and I don't need to quote some exceptions to the rule as any basis for an opinion: I KNOW of people in my neighborhood, community, city, state and other places that have died from COVID. People from the church and my daughter's and grandchildren's schools who have died of covid. Those are people I used to at least see that aren't there anymore in WAY more numbers than anyone getting a headache from a vaccine.

I know of no one, anywhere that has died from the vaccine. I'm sure someone has because there are always that percentage that begins with ".0xx" that do. There always has been. To present them as anything more than the exception is dishonest.

I don't trust these idiots anymore than Fauci. I have found that when one side of an issue goes looking for something they will always manage to find a way to tailor the truth and facts to suit their narrative. The anti-vax argument is just that. Don't do it the government's way because it's the government. Do it (insert crackpot with an opinion's name here) way. They're smarter than everyone else

In the meantime, we have an administration that is trying to fundamentally change our Nation, and has us on the brink of war in more than one place. What's your "choice" and/or Rights going to be when while you and others are so busy trying to disprove science you lose any "Right" to either?

Gunny, I don't have an irrational fear about the vaccine. I've talked personally with doctors and medical personal in my own family about it and the risks associated with it. My fear is about the freedoms being taken away by the people hyping the virus in order to make money off the vaccine.

I, too, know people who have died during pandemic with covid but not from Covid (two from church and one family member last Sunday). All three had comorbidities. Two were vaccinated and one was not. I had covid and survived with minor symptoms and I'm not vaccinated. I have many more family, friends and community members who are not vaccinated who did not die from covid.

Also, many "proven" science facts don't stand up to long term scrutiny. The FDA has approved many scientific studies that upon longer examination of the science shows it to have been not a valid assumption.

When "science" can't be questioned it is propaganda.

So, everything being presented as truth on both sides can be the reality here. Jumping up and demeaning someone who has different info doesn't mean they are irrational. I wouldn't call you irrational or your sources "crackpots" just because they are government or corporate funded. You believe whatever source supports your personal bias just as others here do.

[fj1200]

The real problem here is that the data is cooked.

COVID death stats were wildly inflated because there was a real incentive to list a death as COVID related to get that FREE MONEY!!1one! from the Feds. We all heard about people who drove off the road, hit a tree, went through the windshield and pasted himself, yet his cause of death was in the COVID column because he had it.

I deeply suspect that the reverse is true with Vax complications - there is a very real financial incentive for handing out jabs as fast as you can, to anyone you can, because there's more free money from the Feds for doing so.

The water is so muddy by now that a reasonable person just doesn't know what to think anymore or who to believe.

We were all lied to in the beginning about the vax preventing the spread. That's why I took it. Then, after months of evidence pointing to the fact that the vax does nothing at all to prevent transmissibility - all the while refuting this truth with condescending & smug denials from those pushing it, they were finally forced to admit it.

The Feds, Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson knew full well from the get-go that they did nothing for preventing transmission. But it was for your own good, see, so shut up and roll up your sleeves, peasants! We were all deliberately lied to in order to participate in this experiment. Anything they say from here on our is to rightfully be questioned and verified, because they've lost the element of trust.

Given their appalling track record on being wrong and full on deception in every aspect of this terrible misadventure, no one in their right mind would take anything they say at face value.

When the guy who literally invented the mRNA technology is banned & censored after calling out that they're misusing and what they're expecting from mRNA vaccines, you'd be quite reasonable to start paying attention and asking questions.

I'm pretty sure that wasn't the guy that invented mRNA IIRC.

I'm not saying that their, CDC, govt, et al, track record is great and 100% clean and they weren't wrong on things deliberately or not, etc. etc. But I do know that covid is causing stress to the system and is deserving of a response. My only point here is that any whistleblower or just someone that reports what they're seeing is not coming from a point, largely, of scientific study that takes into account all scenarios. If military cancers are up then it will stand that civilian cancers are up for example.

Everyone has their opinion on the vaccines but I think the major point is that outcomes are better if you're vaccinated.

[Gunny]

Gunny, I don't have an irrational fear about the vaccine. I've talked personally with doctors and medical personal in my own family about it and the risks associated with it. My fear is about the freedoms being taken away by the people hyping the virus in order to make money off the vaccine.

I, too, know people who have died during pandemic with covid but not from Covid (two from church and one family member last Sunday). All three had comorbidities. Two were vaccinated and one was not. I had covid and survived with minor symptoms and I'm not vaccinated. I have many more family, friends and community members who are not vaccinated who did not die from covid.

Also, many "proven" science facts don't stand up to long term scrutiny. The FDA has approved many scientific studies that upon longer examination of the science shows it to have been not a valid assumption.

When "science" can't be questioned it is propaganda.

So, everything being presented as truth on both sides can be the reality here. Jumping up and demeaning someone who has different info doesn't mean they are irrational. I wouldn't call you irrational or your sources "crackpots" just because they are government or corporate funded. You believe whatever source supports your personal bias just as others here do.

Again, exceptions to the rule does not make the rule unless you're a progressive leftwingnut.

I as well as others have questioned how to handle this for quite awhile. Many just say nothing. Self-censorship. In the meantime, the propaganda against the vaccine is as bad as any propaganda I've every seen. Just a non-stop barrage of bullshit.

And demeaning? How is calling bullshit and posting what I believe demeaning when the bullshit is, when you trim all the fluff off, calling me and anyone that chooses to get vaccinated stupid? That's not demeaning?

Some of y'all need to let off the throttle and look at what YOU are saying to others before griping.

[SassyLady]

Again, exceptions to the rule does not make the rule unless you're a progressive leftwingnut.

I as well as others have questioned how to handle this for quite awhile. Many just say nothing. Self-censorship. In the meantime, the propaganda against the vaccine is as bad as any propaganda I've every seen. Just a non-stop barrage of bullshit.

And demeaning? How is calling bullshit and posting what I believe demeaning when the bullshit is, when you trim all the fluff off, calling me and anyone that chooses to get vaccinated stupid? That's not demeaning?

Some of y'all need to let off the throttle and look at what YOU are saying to others before griping.

I think you've got a pretty heavy foot yourself.

As I've said, Gunny, I've never called you irrational (as you have referred to Rev) for your beliefs even when I don't agree with you. And, I've never said that anyone who took the vaccine is stupid. Everyone should be allowed to make their own decisions based on the information they have available.

In the beginning, only main stream media and the figureheads of CDC, FDA, NIH, WHO .... were the only place giving out information. And then .. tada .. other doctors, scientists and researchers around the world started speaking up. They were censored and made to look like quacks by those who had an agenda of pushing the vax. My antenna went up when they said they were using mRNA and I asked my Doc. She said she wasn't going to get an experimental vaccine and that was my first indication to start looking for more info.

As I find more info I post it here. Or, am I only allowed to post Gunny and fj1200 approved info? Should I run it past your "does this make people feel stupid" censor?

[revelarts]

I fully admit; 100% guess. Backed by some common sense. They probably didn't make up 300% but they discovered something that they wouldn't have looked for before; thus correlation vs. causation.

They discovered miscarriages they didn't look for before?


Concerning the credibility issue.
some items i think we all can agree on.

Don't wear mask they don't protect you.
Wear mask, they protect you. wear 2 mask they protect OTHERS.
Here's how to make a cloth mask at home to protect OTHERS, not you.
Cloth mask and surgical mask don't do much at all, didn't you know that?
The vaccines aren't safe if made so quickly... by Trump!
the vaccines are SUPER SAFE. Because well 'vaccines' are always safe. are you an anti-vaxxers?
The vaccines will stop you from getting the Rona.
60% vaccinated and we'll get to herd immunity!
Hydroxychloroquine is bad here's a study it killed people!
The vaccines will stop you from transmitting the Rona.
70% vaccinated and we'll get to herd immunity.
what side effects?
the vaccines won't let you die from the Rona.
Hydroxychloroquine is still very bad ...even though the study we sighted was bad... and knowingly overdosed and killed people.
80% vaccinated and we'll get to herd immunity.
Mild side effects.
Here's the "ONE AND DONE" vaccine isn't it great.
maybe 85% - 90% vaccinated and we'll get to herd immunity.
Ivermectin is HORSE PASTE.
You getting the vaccine protects OTHERS/GRANDMA!
Some VERY Rare side effects... but SAFE.
At this point we shouldn't really be talking about herd immunity.
Well the vaccines don't really stop transmission.
If you have 2 shots you're FULLY vaccinated... and don't have to wear a mask!
OK, the vaccines don't stop you from getting the Rona... but you'll have a milder case. that's what vaccines ALWAYS do silly.
Ivermectin is HORSE PASTE... even though, like penicillin, it's given to animals and people and won a Nobel prize and is safer than aspirin.
Seems like the vaccines effectiveness wanes over a few months.
You still have to wear a mask you fools!
Over 40%... 50%... 60% of people in hospital with rona have been vaccinated.
Well we might need 3 "boosters"... or one every year or every few months.
Getting too many boosters might not be good for the immune system.

But everything else they said and the current official reports are to be automatically and fully trusted... and recommendations fully OBEYED ...or ELSE.
We should still give Faucii the CDC and big Pharma the full benny of the doubt. (because vaccines "work" --- correlation vs. causation?)
And we are to view those 10s of thousands of drs, nurses and researchers who present information which doesn't align with the official narratives as EXTREMELY suspect and not capable of doing their jobs or gathering and understanding evidence.

because "common sense".

[fj1200]

As I find more info I post it here. Or, am I only allowed to post Gunny and fj1200 approved info?

Post what you like. Just be prepared if someone doesn't think it passes the smell test.

[fj1200]

... fully trusted. ...

because "common sense".

I hope you feel better after all of that because it seemed very therapeutic for you. Or got yourself ginned up again. It's hard to tell.

A. I didn't say anything about fully trusted.
B. I'm not sure when applying "common sense" became a derision.
C. I think you'ved moved way to beyond fully trusted to everything being fully distrusted. Which is as destructive to a position than the other end of the spectrum.

[revelarts]

I hope you feel better after all of that because it seemed very therapeutic for you. Or got yourself ginned up again. It's hard to tell.
A. I didn't say anything about fully trusted.

Is any of what i mentioned false?

and based on those facts the level of trust you continually attribute the -powers that be- seems misplaced.
And the level of mistrust you assign to those Drs, Nurses, Researchers, whistle blowers and the train of vaccine victims seems unwarranted
To say the least.

B. I'm not sure when applying "common sense" became a derision.

when it's called common sense but it's really just, generally, going along with the current authoritarian consensus.

C. I think you'ved moved way to beyond fully trusted to everything being fully distrusted. Which is as destructive to a position than the other end of the spectrum.

"trust but verify."
that's all I really want to do.
And here's a question, How many lies are we supposed to forgive before we can call Faucai, Big Pharma and the CDC liars who do not deserve trust.
I say they've reached their limit.... long ago.
And if that's "destructive", then who destroyed it? Not me FJ, and not you.

Everything they say is now suspect, and subject to extreme verification IMO. That seems like "common sense".

BTW they still won't allow verification since they won't even permit all the evidence to be presented.
And they continually try to block other professionals from open forums to even review or debate the evidence.

[SassyLady]

Post what you like. Just be prepared if someone doesn't think it passes the smell test.

Some people don't even bother to sniff, therefore, can't smell anything.

[SassyLady]

I hope you feel better after all of that because it seemed very therapeutic for you. Or got yourself ginned up again. It's hard to tell.

A. I didn't say anything about fully trusted.
B. I'm not sure when applying "common sense" became a derision.
C. I think you'ved moved way to beyond fully trusted to everything being fully distrusted. Which is as destructive to a position than the other end of the spectrum.

A. So you don't fully trust any sources, even your own?
B. When you started inferring our info was gleaned from sources on the internet you don't approve of.
C. We still have our trusted sources. We've just decided the FDA, CDC, WHO, NIH, MSM and Big Pharma isn't trustworthy. Just because you fully trust those sources and we don't does not make our position any more destructive than yours.

[NightTrain]

I'm pretty sure that wasn't the guy that invented mRNA IIRC.

But it was.

Podcaster Joe Rogan recently interviewed the distinguished virologist and inventor of the mRNA vaccine Dr. Robert Malone. In a more than 3-hour conversation, the two discussed nearly every major issue related to the world’s response to Covid-19. After the interview, Malone coined the phrase “mass formation psychosis,” or when a segment of the population are brainwashed about a certain issue to the extent that they lose their ability to reason about it, to describe today’s Covid regime.

The interview included many other bombshell moments. Malone criticized Covid vaccines for their ineffectiveness and dangerous side effects along with the grossly unethical move to force every person to take them. He explained the financial incentives of medical organizations to avoid early treatment and prevent incoming Covid patients from recovering.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/01/12...ion-but-power/


There's literally millions of articles talking about Malone and what happened to him when he spoke out about how mRNA is being misused - and naturally, since that goes against the narrative, he was muzzled by the usual suspects.

No, there's something rotten in Denmark.

[Gunny]

I think you've got a pretty heavy foot yourself.

As I've said, Gunny, I've never called you irrational (as you have referred to Rev) for your beliefs even when I don't agree with you. And, I've never said that anyone who took the vaccine is stupid. Everyone should be allowed to make their own decisions based on the information they have available.

In the beginning, only main stream media and the figureheads of CDC, FDA, NIH, WHO .... were the only place giving out information. And then .. tada .. other doctors, scientists and researchers around the world started speaking up. They were censored and made to look like quacks by those who had an agenda of pushing the vax. My antenna went up when they said they were using mRNA and I asked my Doc. She said she wasn't going to get an experimental vaccine and that was my first indication to start looking for more info.

As I find more info I post it here. Or, am I only allowed to post Gunny and fj1200 approved info? Should I run it past your "does this make people feel stupid" censor?

I have yet to tell anyone what to post so long as it is within the rules. Apparently you are the one taking exception to what I chose to respond with. Circular isn't one way.

Rev's a big boy and he can take care of himself. He's not bashful about arguing back when he wants to.