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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I'm not going to be one who is spouting the current flavor of the day making the rounds on the outer fringes of who is going to get banned next. So no, I don't have one person I'm going to hold out as the most knowledgable.

    So, you outright rejected my assertion that Malone is the most knowledgable - a widely held view in the virology / vax field - and provided you with documentation and facts backing that up.

    You responded with a well thought out, concise and blistering retort of : 'Nuh-Uh!'. You have no one that measures up to him, because there is no one that has his background and achievements.

    I don't know what happened to you, man, but you're no where near the intelligent and thoughtful & honest debater that you were prior to 2016.

    What you've demonstrated here in this thread is lazy, dishonest and frankly, Jake Starkey foolishness.

    I'm disappointed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I'm sorry. Am I to understand that all of the links you and others have proffered here are completely on the up and up? That not one of those has been withdrawn as maybe not all it's cracked up to be? I don't recall to many retractions. I'm not sitting here and saying that the government has done nothing wrong but you .....
    you haven't answered the questions fj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightTrain View Post
    So, you outright rejected my assertion that Malone is the most knowledgable - a widely held view in the virology / vax field - and provided you with documentation and facts backing that up.

    You responded with a well thought out, concise and blistering retort of : 'Nuh-Uh!'. You have no one that measures up to him, because there is no one that has his background and achievements.

    I don't know what happened to you, man, but you're no where near the intelligent and thoughtful & honest debater that you were prior to 2016.

    What you've demonstrated here in this thread is lazy, dishonest and frankly, Jake Starkey foolishness.

    I'm disappointed.
    IIRC you linked to his own website and a Federalist piece that linked back to his own website. I acknowledged his part but he wasn't the only one. If I didn't link to this before I meant to.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w

    Here's an article that points to Weissman and Kariko as the inventors of mRNA vaccines.

    https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/how...ovid-vaccines/

    But if you want to attempt stupid insults you lost the ability of rational thinking. Oh, around 2016 I'd say. I wonder...

    So I suppose we can get back to discussing results or we can get sidetracked about which person you're going to follow around this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    you haven't answered the questions fj.
    It's unknowable. All your links have been perfect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    It's unknowable...
    "unknowable"?
    I'm asking for your personal line in the sand and your a personal opinion.

    Question #1
    How many "mistakes" do Fauci, the CDC and Big Pharma get to make before you start really questioning their daily pronouncements of treatments, safety and efficacy?

    Question #2
    And would you like to see other drs discussing/debate the data openly in public with Faucui , the CDC and big pharma representatives? Instead of all of them simply being called "outliers", being smeared, banned, blocked and censored?


    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    ... All your links have been perfect?
    Only Jesus is perfect.
    The links I've posted are subject to HONEST critique and OPEN scientific scrutiny like EVERYONE else's should be.
    However NONE of my sources have the long train of flip flops and "mistakes" that Fauci, the CDC and Big Pharma have FJ. Flip flops and "mistakes" shown by their own data.
    And none of my sources are attempting to censor critics so they cannot be heard.
    Last edited by revelarts; 01-29-2022 at 11:39 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    "unknowable"?
    I'm asking for your personal line in the sand and your a personal opinion.

    Question #1
    How many "mistakes" do Fauci, the CDC and Big Pharma get to make before you start really questioning their daily pronouncements of treatments, safety and efficacy?

    Question #2
    And would you like to see other drs discussing/debate the data openly in public with Faucui , the CDC and big pharma representatives? Instead of all of them simply being called "outliers", being smeared, banned, blocked and censored?
    Truly. No idea. But I can question what they put out constantly. I already know that they're going overboard. And it seems to me that they're already getting pushback every time they go in front of Congress. And more power to Congress; do their oversight role.

    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Only Jesus is perfect.
    The links I've posted are subject to HONEST critique and OPEN scientific scrutiny like EVERYONE else's should be.
    However NONE of my sources have the long train of flip flops and "mistakes" that Fauci, the CDC and Big Pharma have FJ. Flip flops and "mistakes" shown by their own data.
    And none of my sources are attempting to censor critics so they cannot be heard.
    It doesn't seem that they're really open to scrutiny. I've challenged some of the links and told that they're more trustworthy than the government/MSM/etc. for whatever reason. "Altruistic" etc. Besides many of your sources are just not good. They don't have to flip flop, they can just be ignored until the next ban-worthy "source" comes along. I have to just believe the next whistleblower that comes out. How long do we need to wait until Mary Ruby tells us the flight info of the Delta pilot that had a heart attack while flying? The Navy pilot who RRN actually knows who it was apparently? I'm just waiting for answers to some of those questions because if they start showing actual evidence that stands up then they'll get more credit. I don't think you hold your sources to the same standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    ... Besides many of your sources are just not good. They don't have to flip flop, they can just be ignored until the next ban-worthy "source" comes along. I have to just believe the next whistleblower that comes out. How long do we need to wait until Mary Ruby tells us the flight info of the Delta pilot that had a heart attack while flying? The Navy pilot who RRN actually knows who it was apparently? I'm just waiting for answers to some of those questions because if they start showing actual evidence that stands up then they'll get more credit. I don't think you hold your sources to the same standard.
    Truly. No idea.
    But I can question what they put out constantly. I already know that they're going overboard. And it seems to me that they're already getting pushback every time they go in front of the MSM.... or are banned outright.
    No more power to MSM and SM for doing what no one asked them to do. Smear and ban Drs, researchers and victims in their "News" and "Health offical" roles.


    Look
    the Dr's & whistleblowers in my links are testifying before congressmen and have published their covid findings in peer reviewed publications, and you think it's ok to simply ignore them.
    fine.
    I think that's a BS way to do it but hey,
    If you'r not happy until CNN or ABC or Fauci says it "true", fine, I know others who are the same.
    no worries.
    but don't pretend that you're being objective when you give Fauci etc a near FULL PASS and benny of the doubt with 2 years of "mistakes",
    while you want peer reviewed info in triplicate, full resumes and testimonies under oath approved by the MSM from others.
    And have no problem with censorship and the officials not even reviewing counter info.

    same standard? not even close.
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    https://www.hartgroup.org/open-lette...ld-death-data/

    Open Letter to the MHRA Regarding Child Death Data
    Signals that Covid-19 Vaccines may have caused death in children and young adults


    Dated 19 January 2022

    To:

    Dr June Raine, Chief Executive, MHRA
    Professor Lim, Chairman, JCVI COVID-19 subcommittee
    Hon Sajid Javid, Secretary of State for Health and Social Care
    Professor Sir Chris Whitty, Chief Medical Officer for England
    Sir Patrick Vallance, Government Chief Scientific Adviser
    Dr Jenny Harries OBE, Chief Executive, UKHSA
    Dear Dr Raine, Professor Lim, Mr Javid, Professor Whitty, Sir Patrick Vallance & Dr Harries,

    URGENT
    RE: Signals that Covid-19 Vaccines may have caused death in children and young adults
    We write to demand an immediate, urgent investigation to determine whether the Covid-19 vaccines are the cause of significant numbers of deaths seen recently in male children and young adults.

    We also request that anonymised data and information known to be available, showing how many children have died following a Covid-19 vaccine and within how many days, be published for full transparency, in the public interest.

    On Thursday 13th January 2022, at a hearing in the High Court[1] in London, evidence was presented showing a significant increase in the number of young male deaths following roll out of the Covid-19 vaccinations compared with the prior five-year average between 2015 and 2019. It is important to look at male deaths separately, given what is known about higher risks from myocarditis in young males.

    Between 1st May to 24th December 2021 there were

    402 registered deaths in 15–19-year-old males, 65 more than the 337 five-year average;
    by contrast, 163 registered deaths in females, 12 less than the 175 five-year average; and
    combining those, 565 deaths of males and females registered in total, 53 more than expected.
    The Office for National Statistics has accepted that the increase in young male deaths is a statistically significant increase, with the mortality rate falling outside the expected confidence intervals from earlier years’ data.

    Even more concerning is the fact that the actual number of deaths occurring of young males in this period is likely to be significantly higher than those registered. This is because the ONS estimates that owing to delays in registration, on average registered deaths in the period account for only 62% of actual deaths occurring. Any death where there was uncertainty about the cause will have been referred to the coroner and such deaths can take a long time to be registered. The fact that a signal is already evident in registered deaths is therefore a great concern.

    Allowing for the ONS estimate, the 65 excess male deaths could represent 105 excess deaths of these young men, assuming the proportion of deaths that have been referred to the coroner is similar to previous years. If there have been more coroner’s referrals this year, the figure could be higher.

    Since at least 13 October 2021, the Secretary of State and JCVI have been made aware of this increase in male deaths through their representation by the Government Legal Department in High Court proceedings. In addition, the ONS has itself now recognised that more work could be undertaken to examine the mortality rates of young people in 2021 and has confirmed in writing that it intends to undertake that work “when more reliable data are available.”

    There are already signals of risk
    The incidence of higher mortality in young males in 2021 coinciding with the roll out of Covid-19 vaccines cannot be dismissed as coincidental, since there have already been warning signals of serious adverse events in this age group. For this reason, the decision to offer the Covid-19 vaccine to under 18-year-olds has not been without controversy.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Truly. No idea.
    But I can question what they put out constantly. I already know that they're going overboard. And it seems to me that they're already getting pushback every time they go in front of the MSM.... or are banned outright.
    No more power to MSM and SM for doing what no one asked them to do. Smear and ban Drs, researchers and victims in their "News" and "Health offical" roles.


    Good stuff. Really, good stuff.

    So, you really think they're going overboard? Where would you think?

    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Look
    the Dr's & whistleblowers in my links are testifying before congressmen and have published their covid findings in peer reviewed publications, and you think it's ok to simply ignore them.
    fine.
    I think that's a BS way to do it but hey,
    If you'r not happy until CNN or ABC or Fauci says it "true", fine, I know others who are the same.
    no worries.
    but don't pretend that you're being objective when you give Fauci etc a near FULL PASS and benny of the doubt with 2 years of "mistakes",
    while you want peer reviewed info in triplicate, full resumes and testimonies under oath approved by the MSM from others.
    And have no problem with censorship and the officials not even reviewing counter info.

    same standard? not even close.
    Where did I ever say to ignore them? Where did you ever get the idea I was waiting for CNN/ABC/Fauci to give their blessing? I'm not giving Fauci anything; he says way to much; he hasn't ignored any camera put in his face in the past two years. I also don't automatically assign evil intent if he's wrong. Everything is so with us or against us these days. It's ridiculous.

    But thanks for pointing my full throated support of censorship. You nailed that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Where did I ever say to ignore them? Where did you ever get the idea I was waiting for CNN/ABC/Fauci to give their blessing? I'm not giving Fauci anything; he says way to much; he hasn't ignored any camera put in his face in the past two years. I also don't automatically assign evil intent if he's wrong. Everything is so with us or against us these days. It's ridiculous....
    ....
    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Truly. No idea. But I can question what they put out constantly. I already know that they're going overboard. And it seems to me that they're already getting pushback every time they go in front of Congress. And more power to Congress; do their oversight role.
    It doesn't seem that they're really open to scrutiny. I've challenged some of the links and told that they're more trustworthy than the government/MSM/etc. for whatever reason. "Altruistic" etc. Besides many of your sources are just not good. They don't have to flip flop, they can just be ignored until the next ban-worthy "source" comes along. I have to just believe the next whistleblower that comes out. How long do we need to wait until Mary Ruby tells us the flight info of the Delta pilot that had a heart attack while flying? The Navy pilot who RRN actually knows who it was apparently? I'm just waiting for answers to some of those questions because if they start showing actual evidence that stands up then they'll get more credit. ....
    ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    ....


    ...
    Your reading comprehension is not up to snuff. My reference was in you ignoring them after they've outlived their usefulness and my being told that your links are automatically more trustworthy. But the negative can't be proven so you just let those links hang out there with the hope that at some point the conspiracy theory becomes true.

    So maybe you'll try again or maybe you'll recognize that I'm not sitting here defending everything that the MSM/FDA/CDC/etc. put out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Your reading comprehension is not up to snuff. My reference was in you ignoring them after they've outlived their usefulness and my being told that your links are automatically more trustworthy. But the negative can't be proven so you just let those links hang out there with the hope that at some point the conspiracy theory becomes true.

    So maybe you'll try again or maybe you'll recognize that I'm not sitting here defending everything that the MSM/FDA/CDC/etc. put out.
    well maybe it's your writing that lacks some clarity fj.
    or maybe both of us could do better.

    but please point out my posted links which i've abandoned or ignored after they've outlived there use... in favor of new info.
    Or which links are are completely false... mostly false or partly false. specifically.
    I think you know me well enough to know that I've got no desire to promote false info.
    On the contrary, I too often find myself trying to promote info/evidence/truth that people don't want to hear.
    Info often dismissed out of hand for the piss poor reasons that it doesn't fit their mental framing of the world or it doesn't come from sources they like.
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    Default Word of advice for Revalarts...If I may...?

    You shouldn't ignore the fact that fj is a self-proclaimed master of nothing but his Ego, and had to widen all of the doors where he lives to allow his SWELLED head to move from room to room.
    IMO of course, but not far from factual.
    I may be older than most. I may say things not everybody will like.
    But despite all of that. I will never lower myself to the level of Liars, Haters, Cheats, and Hypocrites.
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    (a 30 second video)
    Canadian, Dr Hoffe talks about 10 of his patients disabled by vaccine injuries.



    (a 3 minute video)
    Canadian, Dr Hoffe talks his attempts to report vaccine injuries to Canada's vaccine injuries database.
    All his reports have been rejected... and he's been told they were "coincidence".


    fj, are you working at the Canada's vaccine injuries database now man?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    well maybe it's your writing that lacks some clarity fj.
    or maybe both of us could do better.

    but please point out my posted links which i've abandoned or ignored after they've outlived there use... in favor of new info.
    Or which links are are completely false... mostly false or partly false. specifically.
    I think you know me well enough to know that I've got no desire to promote false info.
    On the contrary, I too often find myself trying to promote info/evidence/truth that people don't want to hear.
    Info often dismissed out of hand for the piss poor reasons that it doesn't fit their mental framing of the world or it doesn't come from sources they like.
    Did you post a picture of a fighter pilot that allegedly had a vaccine reaction while flying?

    Quote Originally Posted by icansayit View Post
    ... ignore...
    Anything to add to the discussion?

    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    fj, are you working at the Canada's vaccine injuries database now man?
    Just waiting to find out where the globalists need me.
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