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    Default Outspoken ASU prof draws ire..(GW)

    Corinne Purtill
    The Arizona Republic
    Nov. 11, 2007 12:00 AM

    Arizona State University climatologist Robert Balling attended the premiere of Al Gore's global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth.

    He served on the United Nations' climate-change panel and studies how drought and warmer temperatures will affect the West.

    He bikes to work and eats organic food.

    But environmentalists hate him.

    Balling, 54, has spoken and written extensively against the widely held scientific view that the documented rise in global temperatures is the result of human activity and that serious consequences will result.

    Even if humans are warming the planet by causing the buildup of greenhouse gases, he says, the doomsday scenarios forecast by many climate scientists may never happen.

    His views have elicited outrage from environmentalists and scorn from some fellow scientists.

    They've also resulted in conference invitations and research grants from industries with a stake in debunking the large body of research that supports a link between human activity and global warming.

    Despite his notoriety as a hero of the skeptic crowd, Balling's research and lifestyle contain some surprising contradictions.

    He is in charge of climate studies at the Decision Center for a Desert City, an ambitious ASU program that looks at how drought will affect the Valley.

    He's a registered independent and lives a lifestyle that the hardiest environmental activist would recognize as green.

    His outspoken views and the criticism they get have put ASU in an awkward position as it tries to shape itself as a leader in climate-change studies, ASU officials said.

    Balling seems bemused by his reputation among activists.

    "Somehow I've been branded this horrible person who belongs in the depths of hell," he said. "There's just no tolerance right now."


    The critic gets criticized
    For most of his career at ASU, Balling's work focused on climate issues such as the urban-heat-island effect, drought and desertification - many of the same themes now viewed as possible consequences of climate change.

    He was head of ASU's Office of Climatology for 16 years.

    In 1992, he wrote a book called The Heated Debate. The book assailed several aspects of mainstream climate science.

    Talk-show host Rush Limbaugh began quoting the book. Sales took off. An invitation to address the directors of a coal company followed.

    His reputation as a global-warming skeptic was made.

    Balling has been booed at public appearances.

    A fellow climatologist publicly dismissed his widely circulated critique of An Inconvenient Truth with the observation that "some people believe the Earth is flat, too."

    In May, Vanity Fair magazine published a cartoon labeled "Dante's Inferno: Green Edition." Balling was in the eighth circle of hell.

    The National Academy of Sciences, NASA and a host of scientific academies have endorsed the conclusion that global temperatures are rising and that warming is likely the result of greenhouse gases emitted by human activity.

    "It is fair to say that it is not absolutely certain that the warming we have observed so far is largely due to human activity, but (it) is very likely. And it is virtually certain that continued rises in greenhouse gases will lead to significantly more warming," wrote Eric Steig, a professor at the Uni- versity of Washington, in an e-mail.

    Balling's research over the years has explored sun activity, pollution from volcanoes, the urban-heat-island effect and errors in past temperature models as possible causes of rising temperatures.

    His positions have modified over time. Today, he says that about half the warming recorded since 1975 can be attributed to greenhouse gases.

    Research questioned

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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
    Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC)

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    But environmentalists hate him. ....

    His views have elicited outrage from environmentalists and scorn from some fellow scientists. ...

    "Somehow I've been branded this horrible person who belongs in the depths of hell," he said. "There's just no tolerance right now."
    Very telling of exactly what types of people these enviro-nuts are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post

    How does that "own" him?

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    Makes me proud of my Alma Mater!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    How does that "own" him?
    Balling has acknowledged that he had received $408,000 in research funding from the fossil fuel industry over the last decade (of which his University takes 50% for overhead). Contributors include ExxonMobil, the British Coal Corporation, Cyprus Minerals and OPEC. [1]

    His views have led to his enthusiastic adoption by various members of the free-market Atlas Economic Research Foundation network. He writes regularly for the Cato Institute, Tech Central Station and the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
    He can write what he likes but everything he writes is going to be tained by the knowledge that he has an ideological barrow to push. He has been funded by certain interests to which he is beholden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    He can write what he likes but everything he writes is going to be tained by the knowledge that he has an ideological barrow to push. He has been funded by certain interests to which he is beholden.

    By your logic Hillary Clinton is tainted by George Soros and the Chinese government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    By your logic Hillary Clinton is tainted by George Soros and the Chinese government.
    And she may well be. I would think all the candidates are owned by various interests - maybe not Kucinich or Paul, but certainly the others are beholden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    And she may well be. I would think all the candidates are owned by various interests - maybe not Kucinich or Paul, but certainly the others are beholden.
    So a scientist has to be poor or independently wealthy to be credible.

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    Disagreeing means, you must be destroyed according to the kook left

    Quote Originally Posted by stephanie View Post
    Corinne Purtill
    The Arizona Republic
    Nov. 11, 2007 12:00 AM

    Arizona State University climatologist Robert Balling attended the premiere of Al Gore's global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth.

    He served on the United Nations' climate-change panel and studies how drought and warmer temperatures will affect the West.

    He bikes to work and eats organic food.

    But environmentalists hate him.

    Balling, 54, has spoken and written extensively against the widely held scientific view that the documented rise in global temperatures is the result of human activity and that serious consequences will result.

    Even if humans are warming the planet by causing the buildup of greenhouse gases, he says, the doomsday scenarios forecast by many climate scientists may never happen.

    His views have elicited outrage from environmentalists and scorn from some fellow scientists.

    They've also resulted in conference invitations and research grants from industries with a stake in debunking the large body of research that supports a link between human activity and global warming.

    Despite his notoriety as a hero of the skeptic crowd, Balling's research and lifestyle contain some surprising contradictions.

    He is in charge of climate studies at the Decision Center for a Desert City, an ambitious ASU program that looks at how drought will affect the Valley.

    He's a registered independent and lives a lifestyle that the hardiest environmental activist would recognize as green.

    His outspoken views and the criticism they get have put ASU in an awkward position as it tries to shape itself as a leader in climate-change studies, ASU officials said.

    Balling seems bemused by his reputation among activists.

    "Somehow I've been branded this horrible person who belongs in the depths of hell," he said. "There's just no tolerance right now."


    The critic gets criticized
    For most of his career at ASU, Balling's work focused on climate issues such as the urban-heat-island effect, drought and desertification - many of the same themes now viewed as possible consequences of climate change.

    He was head of ASU's Office of Climatology for 16 years.

    In 1992, he wrote a book called The Heated Debate. The book assailed several aspects of mainstream climate science.

    Talk-show host Rush Limbaugh began quoting the book. Sales took off. An invitation to address the directors of a coal company followed.

    His reputation as a global-warming skeptic was made.

    Balling has been booed at public appearances.

    A fellow climatologist publicly dismissed his widely circulated critique of An Inconvenient Truth with the observation that "some people believe the Earth is flat, too."

    In May, Vanity Fair magazine published a cartoon labeled "Dante's Inferno: Green Edition." Balling was in the eighth circle of hell.

    The National Academy of Sciences, NASA and a host of scientific academies have endorsed the conclusion that global temperatures are rising and that warming is likely the result of greenhouse gases emitted by human activity.

    "It is fair to say that it is not absolutely certain that the warming we have observed so far is largely due to human activity, but (it) is very likely. And it is virtually certain that continued rises in greenhouse gases will lead to significantly more warming," wrote Eric Steig, a professor at the Uni- versity of Washington, in an e-mail.

    Balling's research over the years has explored sun activity, pollution from volcanoes, the urban-heat-island effect and errors in past temperature models as possible causes of rising temperatures.

    His positions have modified over time. Today, he says that about half the warming recorded since 1975 can be attributed to greenhouse gases.

    Research questioned

    read the rest and comments..
    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...lling1111.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    So a scientist has to be poor or independently wealthy to be credible.
    No, a scientist has to be objective and must be seen to be free of ideology (of any persuasion) and not funded by special interests.

    IF this bloke wasn't a regular contributor to overtly political publications and IF his research wasn't funded by special interests THEN I wouldn't be able to make claims like I have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    No, a scientist has to be objective and must be seen to be free of ideology (of any persuasion) and not funded by special interests.

    IF this bloke wasn't a regular contributor to overtly political publications and IF his research wasn't funded by special interests THEN I wouldn't be able to make claims like I have.
    So what you are saying is none of the global warming advocates are credible because they take money from socialists and environmentalist wackos correct?

    thanks for destroying your position

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    By your logic Hillary Clinton is tainted by George Soros and the Chinese government.
    given.....
    ...full immersion.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    No, a scientist has to be objective and must be seen to be free of ideology (of any persuasion) and not funded by special interests.

    so the only credible scientist is one who isn't doing research........
    ...full immersion.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    No, a scientist has to be objective and must be seen to be free of ideology (of any persuasion) and not funded by special interests.

    IF this bloke wasn't a regular contributor to overtly political publications and IF his research wasn't funded by special interests THEN I wouldn't be able to make claims like I have.
    Obviously you've never been in a similar position that he has. I have and personally known several others and we were all willing to bite off the hands that fed us for sake of the truth, and would do so in a New York minute. After all, in the end we would all gain notoriety, thus more cash and perks from the opposing side. The fact that you attack the man based on his funding source rather then his actual work tells me that you have no basis of technical argument, or that you are intellectually lazy.

    And the Cato institute is hardly an overtly political organization. It is a conservative think tank “Promoting public policy based on individual liberty, limited government, free markets, and peaceful international relations.” Its mission is stated plainly at cato.org. Millions are familiar with them as they publish a little brown book with the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution reprinted and sell it for one dollar.

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