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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    That it confirms everything that I've ever said on the subject. And I thought you knew; I have plenty of opinions.



    Actually the gist of the report that is discussed was put out around December of 2020 and was very much against the government viewpoint and they (the interviewee and two others) were vilified by the normal government processes because they dared say something different and they followed the science and economics. The interviewee is both a doctor and economist.

    His point was very much not coming from a fear perspective. Just a matter of how things could have been done better if we had actually followed the data which affirmed a common sense approach in how to protect those that were most vulnerable instead of locking the entirety of the population down. I think it was along the lines of "winning the war" by studying old wars which you do if I read your posts correctly. His war just happens to be pandemics and policy approaches to health situations. It was fascinating either way as they talked about what happened and what could be done differently.
    It's still hindsight. My point then, and now, is we reacted out of panic and fear. There are posts from that time period where I stated we were making ourselves look like a big bunch of overreactive, scared pussies, or words to that effect

    I never agreed with the government's heavy-handed approach. That got lost in the shrill, whining of the conspiracy theorists' playing the same game the government was -- with us or against us, no common sense in the middle allowed. Both extremes, with the aid of the MSM, never one to pass up something to sensationalize and beat to death, were allowed to dictate to the majority. No common sense nor science allowed.

    Worst part? The same people will do the same damned thing to us when the "next big thing" comes along. Ramp up the panic and fear and here we go again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    It's still hindsight. My point then, and now, is we reacted out of panic and fear. There are posts from that time period where I stated we were making ourselves look like a big bunch of overreactive, scared pussies, or words to that effect

    I never agreed with the government's heavy-handed approach. That got lost in the shrill, whining of the conspiracy theorists' playing the same game the government was -- with us or against us, no common sense in the middle allowed. Both extremes, with the aid of the MSM, never one to pass up something to sensationalize and beat to death, were allowed to dictate to the majority. No common sense nor science allowed.

    Worst part? The same people will do the same damned thing to us when the "next big thing" comes along. Ramp up the panic and fear and here we go again
    I don't disagree but it's how you figure out if you did the right thing... or the abysmally wrong thing. He talked quite a bit about the possibility of Fauci/Collins being insulated from differing opinions based on the years of being in their position and not seeing in any way how they could be going down the wrong road.

    The middle part of the Isaiah 5 (Woe to ...) in Sunday School today. Surprisingly relevant to the discussion of governmental overreach IMO. Of course my friend on the left who says he knows Fauci was complaining about those who weren't "following the science" when it seems that the government wasn't always following the science. People see what they want to see...
    "when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
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    The lockdowns were about power seizure (freedom erasing), (plus herd conditioning).
    Just as --SOME-- of us said and pointed out was the damn case!
    Now 2 years later, that truth is still being denied by the same ffing assholes, the lib/dems.
    Yes, we have foreign enemies but this nation's greatest threat to its existence comes from -WITHIN--
    the absolutely, totally corrupt and most definitely treasonous dem party..
    In my opinion--ANYBODY- that denies that truth/reality is either deliberately lying, abjectly ignorant or educated to be brainwashed and stupid..
    And the really scary thing is -- some-- may indeed be- all of those things!! --
    I totally reject those people and consider them less than a bug on the sidewalk when it comes to the security and blessings this nation offers its citizens under the Constitution based upon its founding.
    Or to put it another way, I reject those ffing vermin that seek to destroy this nation and then remake it into the socialistic hellhole they so wrongly call nirvana/paradise..
    I believe in, "never suffer fools gladly".-- --Tyr
    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Hindsight's 20/20. Or, it would be if anyone involved from either extreme of the argument would allow some oxygen. facts and common sense filter into their empty gourds.

    This is just another opinion from a think tank paid to come to a conclusion the payers want to hear.

    Here's some science: We're all going to die.

    Here's some opinion: I refuse to spend an inordinate amount of my time and energy trying to extend the above fact a couple of extra days and living in a perpetual state of fear over the inevitable. Regardless which side of this argument the fear manure is being spread from.
    Channel your inner George Costanza and figure out how to take advantage of the situation. I have TWO full time remote jobs, get TWO paychecks and work about 55 hours per week, but get paid for 80. It's only April and I have broken six figures for 2022.
    Experienced Social Distancer ... waaaay before COVID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I don't disagree but it's how you figure out if you did the right thing... or the abysmally wrong thing. He talked quite a bit about the possibility of Fauci/Collins being insulated from differing opinions based on the years of being in their position and not seeing in any way how they could be going down the wrong road.

    The middle part of the Isaiah 5 (Woe to ...) in Sunday School today. Surprisingly relevant to the discussion of governmental overreach IMO. Of course my friend on the left who says he knows Fauci was complaining about those who weren't "following the science" when it seems that the government wasn't always following the science. People see what they want to see...
    I think I can address this. I am the poster boy for US Federal Government/US military insulation. I pent the first 41 years of my life in it. I definitely see a lot if not most things differently than almost everyone I have come across since being set adrift in a sea of nonsensical, illogical stupid called the civilian World.

    I contend that it is not about seeing how they could be going down the wrong road. At no point in time was I ever taught (by the institution) to do the wrong thing/that doing the wrong thing is right. Matter of fact, we had a saying: "there is no right way to do the wrong thing". At no time did anything I was taught by the institution go against the world of God. On the other hand, I've learned a whole bunch of wrong things from people that were definitely not listening to His words.

    By no means do I consider myself perfect. Choose your battles. I've turned a blind eye to institutional things I knew were wrong because it was not to my advantage to oppose them. I did not participate, condone, nor do I justify doing so as the right thing. Billy Jack may have been righteous as all get out, but he ended up in prison

    Where Fauci is concerned, IMO, he crossed the line. Money, power/position, self-importance (ego) notoriety -- all overrode any principle he may have ever had. I have to say I have no empathy for someone who is/was complicit in what I and most others consider crimes against humanity -- weaponizing something unpredictable and uncontrollable for no more reason than to have a "better" weapon. THAT, IMO, is selling your soul for whatever brief period he is considered/considers himself important among men.

    Too many have forgotten that "Woe unto them ..." is to follow.
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    For what it's worth

    JOHNS HOPKINS STUDY: “LOCKDOWNS HAVE HAD LITTLE TO NO PUBLIC HEALTH EFFECTS” AND “IMPOSED ENORMOUS ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL COSTS”
    ISSUE DATE June 2022
    https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/fi...-Mortality.pdf

    https://www.blacklistednews.com/arti...-enormous.html
    https://www.nber.org/papers/w30104



    But as mentioned earlier in this thead and it applies to
    MORE POINTS to take away from any Fauci Hearing
    Fauci said that shutting down the country does not work. (January 24, 2020)
    Early into 2020, Fauci spoke to reporters saying, “That’s something that I don’t think we could possibly do in the United States, I can’t imagine shutting down New York or Los Angeles, but the judgement on the part of the Chinese health authorities is that given the fact that it’s spreading throughout the provinces… it’s their judgement that this is something that in fact is going to help in containing it. Whether or not it does or does not is really open to question because historically when you shut things down it doesn’t have a major effect.”
    He knew this, history showed it long ago.
    But he recommenced it to the president anyway.
    Are we adding Malice to the charge here is the only thing at question on this point.
    Last edited by revelarts; 06-10-2024 at 05:34 PM.
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