Critics slam timing of Biden's 'ministry of truth' to police internet for 'disinforma

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

First, the corrupt, idiot Biden isnt doing this-- he simply reads what his puppet masters tell him to read.
And yes, it is nothing more than laying a foundation for a dem-controlled Gestapo.
The truth is the dems are no longer operating as Americans, but are under the complete control of the globalists... A damn fact...
The globalists hate our Constitution and its restrictions on the absolute power they can have and use once it is--ABOLISHED.
They and their dem puppets run an agenda to destroy the Constitution and remake this nation as a satellite entity they have absolute control of.
Once this truth is seen and then accepted, so much becomes so very clear, imho.
Those rejecting this reality walk down a very blinded path- despite their good intentions, right-side/conservative leanings and also their patriotism, imho.
In short, as I've stated thousands of times-the dem party is now a party of treason,
A damn fact, that too many refuse to accept or even dare to say!!
That truth and that refusal to face that alarming danger just may end up causing this nation's downfall, imho.- --Tyr

[fj1200]

It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties.The freeman of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. James Madison...

I'm not sure where we disagree here. I'm alarmed. I'm just not hair-on-fire alarmed yet.

[revelarts]

I'm not sure where we disagree here. I'm alarmed. I'm just not hair-on-fire alarmed yet.

At what point is "hair on fire" alarmed?


I mean it's not after:
Blanket Surveillance (emails, text, phone, mail)
No-knock warrants
Random check points w citizenship verifications
Torture
Indefinite detention without trials
Gov't shut down of all biz
Blocking of Religious gatherings
Coerced medication (w lost of Jobs and blocking access to education or health care)
Coerced control of Major Media
Continual threats to the right to bear arms
General loss of the right to Jury trials for most offenses
Free Speech Zones
Rigged/Fixed/Corrupt elections
etc etc

just when should hair get on fire man?
What's the straw that breaks the camels back for you guys

Seriously?

[fj1200]

At what point is "hair on fire" alarmed?


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I, as a rule, generally don't do hair-on-fire but you're presuming it to be the best way forward. But it looks like you've got about 14+ threads that can be discussed.

[revelarts]

I, as a rule, generally don't do hair-on-fire but you're presuming it to be the best way forward. But it looks like you've got about 14+ threads that can be discussed.

I'll never say it's time to panic, panic doesn't help.
But acknowledging that the boat has already hit the icebergs and is sinking is the where you start.
Things like closing a Hatch (Act) or 2 aren't going to fix it.
the problems are major.

to use another metaphor, we got problems in the foundation man, seems like too many people think Duck Tape is all that's needed to fix it.

[Gunny]

An interesting comparison. Any way you look at it, Biden has had a propaganda machine up and running from day one. Baghdad Bob got only a moment in time. It's daily routine for Biden. "You're not seeing what you see ..."

I suspect he had to create an entire new propaganda agency just to replace Psaki when she leaves.

[fj1200]

I'll never say it's time to panic, panic doesn't help.
But acknowledging that the boat has already hit the icebergs and is sinking is the where you start.
Things like closing a Hatch (Act) or 2 aren't going to fix it.
the problems are major.

to use another metaphor, we got problems in the foundation man, seems like too many people think Duck Tape is all that's needed to fix it.

Then I'm not sure what we're arguing about. I decided a long time ago not to be a hair-on-fire poster and try to look at things logically while asking questions; sometimes it'll get you accused of being a contrarian and possibly a lefty by the ignorant. Anywho, we've got a conservative majority at SCOTUS, Republican majorities in most state houses and governorships, are poised to take control of Congress in 6 months, and should be able to win the White House in 2 years, 6 months. Things are looking pretty good if the right can avoid looking like the nutty left.

[Gunny]

https://babylonbee.com/news/george-o...vernance-board

[revelarts]

nothing to see here...

60 countries sign declaration that commits to bolstering “resilience to disinformation and misinformation”
Pro-censorship governments unite.

The United States (US) and 60 partner countries, including the United Kingdom (UK), Canada, Australia, and members of the European Union (EU), have signed a sweeping “Declaration for the Future of the Internet” which commits to bolstering “resilience to disinformation and misinformation” and somehow upholding free speech rights while also censoring “harmful” content.
The White House framed the declaration as something that supports freedom and privacy by focusing on its commitments to protect human rights, the free flow of information, and privacy. The EU put out similar talking points and claimed that those who signed the declaration support a future internet that’s open, free, global, interoperable, reliable, and secure.
However, the commitments in the declaration are vague and often conflicting. For example, the declaration makes multiple commitments to upholding freedom of expression yet also commits to bolstering “resilience to disinformation and misinformation.” It also contains the seemingly contradictory commitment of ensuring “the right to freedom of expression” is protected when governments and platforms censor content that they deem to be harmful.

Furthermore, many of the governments that signed this declaration are currently pushing sweeping online censorship laws or openly supporting online censorship.
For example, just a few days ago, the Biden administration called for private companies to censor online “misinformation” – the latest of many similar calls. The EU also recently passed its Digital Services Act (DSA) which contains requirements to censor “hate speech” and “misinformation.”
Some government officials, including Canadian Minister of Innovation, Science, and Industry François-Philippe Champagne and UK Digital, Culture, Media, and Sport (DCMS) Secretary of State Nadine Dorries, even mentioned their country’s online censorship laws during the live launch of this Declaration for the Future of the Internet.
“The vision outlined in this declaration aligns very well with the many initiatives we are working on here in Canada, including our Digital Charter,” Champagne said.

Canada’s Digital Charter was launched in 2019 and threatens platforms with “meaningful financial consequences” if they fail to fight online “hate” and “disinformation.”
“I am enormously encouraged to see online safety is a key principle of that declaration,” Dorries said. “As the UK’s Digital Secretary, doing more to protect people online is one of my main priorities – and last month, I was proud to introduce a groundbreaking Online Safety Bill to the UK Parliament that will make the internet safer for everyone.”

The UK’s Online Safety Bill will give the government sweeping censorship powers, censor some “legal but harmful” content, and criminalize “harmful” and “false” communications.
Like the commitments to freedom of expression, the declaration’s commitments to privacy are also being made by governments that engage in or allow mass surveillance.

For example, the EU is allowing the linking of face recognition databases to create a mega surveillance system. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) recently boosted its social media surveillance technology. And the outgoing London Metropolitan police commissioner recently congratulated herself on extending the surveillance state.
While the current signatories of this declaration are governments, the White House plans to work with “the private sector, international organizations, the technical community, academia and civil society, and other relevant stakeholders worldwide to promote, foster, and achieve” the “shared vision” of this Declaration for the Future of the Internet.

Big Tech companies such as Facebook and Google have already welcomed this declaration.
“It’s great to see countries coming together today to launch the Declaration for the Future of the Internet (DFI),” Google’s Vice President, Government Affairs & Public Policy, Karan Bhatia, wrote in a blog post. “We are committed to partnering with governments and civil society through the Declaration to disrupt disinformation campaigns and foreign malign activity, while ensuring people around the world are able to access trustworthy information.”....

https://reclaimthenet.org/60-countri...isinformation/

sarcasm alert
But Hey, I'm thinking the Hatch Act will fix it... or protect us.

But Hey they haven't DONE anything YET... right. so we have to wait and see.
It's Like letting them make a Dept of Weapon Confiscation... JUST for the ILLEGAL Guns... nothing wrong with that right? As long as it's Illegal weapons. It's fine. and Constitutional! Don't worry, what could go wrong?
But Of course IF the U.S. or partner Multi-national boards of disinformation do something wrong... THEN we take then to court. (If we have 'standing' etc.. have to have law & order ya know)
So Someone takes them to court After we find out "THE TRUTH" about their wrong doing...
from the media sources the Same gov't boards regulates information for.

That's the constitutional way to deal with it... mm hmm.
Plus the hatch act of course.

[fj1200]

^Let us know how your hair-on-fire actions solve the problem. What were those again?

[revelarts]

^Let us know how your hair-on-fire actions solve the problem. What were those again?

Speaking frankly, I think I've mentioned several times that I think it may be to late to reverse the overall trend in a meaningful way..
To many people on all sides love big govt control & "solutions".AND the elite know how to play those tunes to consolidate their programs.

But God is not asleep or deaf and the "powers that be" are not omnipotent, so there's some hope. But its less than likely ...& too radical for many.
But Specifically on this ONE item,
before the disinfo board does anything, the courts and congress could start by making official denouncements of the" Disinformation board". Pointing out the inherent unconstitutionally. We the people can do the same. To Biden & our reps.
Congress should refuse to fund the whole DHS (in general) if the disinfo board is put in.
various Courts could preemptively issue injunctions or restraining orders of some kind on any "disinformation" activities And board members/employees. Penalize their access to internet like hackers & penalize their media output.
Next is actually electing some with a real constitutional mind set that would dismantle the board along w the other unconstitutional aspects of the dept of Homeland security.
Like the Roe v Wade ruling the Homeland security Dept... and several others are....ummm... operating outside of constitutional bounds and should be stripped of certain functions or shut down completely. Just Gone.

Those are a few things that come to mind on that ONE issue. I can't say they are perfect or likely responses but there's no need to wait until they "do something" that maybe triggers a limited court response.
Congress & the White House have ALREADY been exposed pressuring media companies to censor individuals and propagandize/LIE to the public on many issues.
The very idea of a govt disinformation board to further orchestrate that activity is unconstitutional (illegal) on its face.

[fj1200]

Speaking frankly, I think I've mentioned several times that I think it may be to late to reverse the overall trend in a meaningful way..
To many people on all sides love big govt control & "solutions".AND the elite know how to play those tunes to consolidate their programs.

But God is not asleep or deaf and the "powers that be" are not omnipotent, so there's some hope. But its less than likely ...& too radical for many.
But Specifically on this ONE item,
before the disinfo board does anything, the courts and congress could start by making official denouncements of the" Disinformation board". Pointing out the inherent unconstitutionally. We the people can do the same. To Biden & our reps.
Congress should refuse to fund the whole DHS (in general) if the disinfo board is put in.
various Courts could preemptively issue injunctions or restraining orders of some kind on any "disinformation" activities And board members/employees. Penalize their access to internet like hackers & penalize their media output.
Next is actually electing some with a real constitutional mind set that would dismantle the board along w the other unconstitutional aspects of the dept of Homeland security.
Like the Roe v Wade ruling the Homeland security Dept... and several others are....ummm... operating outside of constitutional bounds and should be stripped of certain functions or shut down completely. Just Gone.

Those are a few things that come to mind on that ONE issue. I can't say they are perfect or likely responses but there's no need to wait until they "do something" that maybe triggers a limited court response.
Congress & the White House have ALREADY been exposed pressuring media companies to censor individuals and propagandize/LIE to the public on many issues.
The very idea of a govt disinformation board to further orchestrate that activity is unconstitutional (illegal) on its face.

Then I'm not sure what we're arguing about. I decided a long time ago not to be a hair-on-fire poster and try to look at things logically while asking questions; sometimes it'll get you accused of being a contrarian and possibly a lefty by the ignorant. Anywho, we've got a conservative majority at SCOTUS, Republican majorities in most state houses and governorships, are poised to take control of Congress in 6 months, and should be able to win the White House in 2 years, 6 months. Things are looking pretty good if the right can avoid looking like the nutty left.

So I guess I still don't know what we're arguing about. We weren't too far apart. You type more than I do these days.

FWIW I was expecting a darkweb link to a pitchfork wholesaler.