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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I ask questions to learn stuff. You believe Russia is aggressive and invading because we have labs in foreign countries. Allegedly.
    You still didn't answer the question.

    Allegedly? Come on fj, who has to make the statement that US funded bio labs in Ukraine before you believe it? There's testimony to congress under oath that we do/did.

    And you have no clue what I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I ask questions to learn stuff. You believe Russia is aggressive and invading because we have labs in foreign countries. Allegedly.
    I can't speak for Sassy but what I believe is that funding & operating Bio-"research" facilities in "one of the most corrupt countries in the world",
    right next to Russia is a very real provocation.
    Add to that U.S. meddling in the Ukrainian coup & elections to favor Anti Russian Pro American/west "elected" leaders.
    And tease Ukraine with NATO membership.
    And NATO in general creeping towards Russia's boarders despite decades of assurance that it Would not happen.
    All of it together and more makes for some significant & legitimate reasons for Russia to consider it would be in it's best interest to secure a larger buffer zone.

    Was it right for Russia to attack Ukraine? No.
    Was it some willy Nilly Act of Expansion... because that's what Russia(!) does "historically"?... No.
    But it does make sense as a form of "pre-emptive strike" from Russia's perspective.

    BTW wasn't the U.S. funded Bio-Research lab in Wuhan China a "peaceful" project as well?
    Last edited by revelarts; 06-13-2022 at 11:29 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    You still didn't answer the question.

    Allegedly? Come on fj, who has to make the statement that US funded bio labs in Ukraine before you believe it? There's testimony to congress under oath that we do/did.

    And you have no clue what I believe.
    I don't think I said that we weren't funding labs in Ukraine. I did question that the second statement was proof of the first. "Allegedly" was in reference to that Russian invaded because of biolabs. I would find that a stretch.

    And I don't have a clue to what you believe. That should have been posed as a question, instead of a statement, which is what I do when I'm trying to figure something out.

    Is this what I didn't answer?

    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Why Ukraine? Why next to Russia?
    I don't know. Why were we funding labs in Ukraine? Maybe the same answer as to why we were training special ops in Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    I can't speak for Sassy but what I believe is that funding & operating Bio-"research" facilities in "one of the most corrupt countries in the world",
    right next to Russia is a very real provocation.
    Add to that U.S. meddling in the Ukrainian coup & elections to favor Anti Russian Pro American/west "elected" leaders.
    And tease Ukraine with NATO membership.
    And NATO in general creeping towards Russia's boarders despite decades of assurance that it Would not happen.
    All of it together and more makes for some significant & legitimate reasons for Russia to consider it would be in it's best interest to secure a larger buffer zone.

    Was it right for Russia to attack Ukraine? No.
    Was it some willy Nilly Act of Expansion... because that's what Russia(!) does "historically"?... No.
    But it does make sense as a form of "pre-emptive strike" from Russia's perspective.

    BTW wasn't the U.S. funded Bio-Research lab in Wuhan China a "peaceful" project as well?
    I think this thread is about funding biolabs in the Ukraine. I believe that recent history suggests that this is what Russia does.
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    surprise surprise surprise
    U.N. Security Council Denies Russia Probe of U.S. Biological Weapons Claims
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    The U.N. security council has rejected a Russian bid to order an investigation into unsubstantiated claims Ukraine and the U.S. are carrying out “military biological” operations in violation of an international convention. Only China sided with Russia in approving the resolution on Wednesday, with other Security Council members voting against or abstaining. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and other top diplomats from the G7 are meeting in Germany today to discuss support for Ukraine.

    Seems like U.N. bio-weapons inspectors (WMDs) would be reasonable, what's the problem?
    "if you have nothing to hide".. right?
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    STILL not new
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